you can't really quote The Inquirer as a reliable source of anything ...
I no longer have any idea what any of you are talking about. I'll sum up: AMD does now and forever in the future shall suck. Back to regular programming.
Disgruntled:
Angry or Dissatisfied.
If you meant "sad" or "dissatisfied," ya shoulda said it, and I would have agreed (with "sad," at least).
Buy a dictionary.
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I never said that AMD was not in a bad state, just that your use of absolute terms is rather, well... bad.
Yeah. See - I'm back to not understanding what point you are trying to make.
I think you are letting your emotions get in the way. Parting was obviously sad for you, but very rarely there is only one emotion present in an event. Otherwise mental therapy wouldn't exist.
'...always suck...' is a very subjective and emotionally filled term. If you had said, "AMD sucks now and probably will for a while" is more reflective of the truth.
Your attempts at psychoanalysis are both inappropriate and ineffctual.
AMD will always suck because it is set up so as to suck, and it has insufficient time left to remedy things Further, in AMDs very long history, it had only a single 3 year period of success. Having spent nearly its entire existence sucking, on a clear path to continue sucking, and with dwindling cash on hand and nothing left to sell to obtain one-time profits, I'd say "always suck" is accurate.
No one has stated a single factoid of objective evidence to explai why I'm wrong. I state facts about their stock, their design methodology, their inability to meet roadmaps, their quarterly losses, their loss of personel, their competitive environment. You recite only new-age psychobabble about my emotions.
Sorry, psychobabble aside, I 've not heard a single verifiable argument by you, just unverifiable blanket statements. And your definition of sucking is pretty broad. I can't see the how a cpu company offering a 10-15% less powerful product than the competition at a 40% better price sucks. I can't see how said company sucks when their competitors are screwing the whole mac and pc world with igfx that suck more than any competitors. And I can't see how amd sucks when their cpu and igfx combined in soon to come apu (even the first iteration) won't be matched by anything similar by intel.
cmaier, what do you think about Bulldozer and Bobcat?
Let the Intel hate begin
Your attempts at psychoanalysis are both inappropriate and ineffctual.
AMD will always suck because it is set up so as to suck, and it has insufficient time left to remedy things Further, in AMDs very long history, it had only a single 3 year period of success. Having spent nearly its entire existence sucking, on a clear path to continue sucking, and with dwindling cash on hand and nothing left to sell to obtain one-time profits, I'd say "always suck" is accurate.
No one has stated a single factoid of objective evidence to explai why I'm wrong. I state facts about their stock, their design methodology, their inability to meet roadmaps, their quarterly losses, their loss of personel, their competitive environment. You recite only new-age psychobabble about my emotions.
Alent has it right.
And, by the way, I define suck as "has an unsustainably money-losing product line." AMD needs ASPs of >$100 on its CPUs to break even. Being 10-20% slower, and not competing at all in laptops and low power devices, is never again going to get them there. Intel wised up and dropped itanium, integrated a memory controller, and qpi. AMD has a competitor that's awake now. At the one time in its history when AMD didn't suck, intel was busy with its Merced nonsense. Now it's back on track, and it won't screw up like that again.
Doesn't AMD also have to deal with the illegal crap Intel throws out. For example the threatening to deal shipments or bribing companies not to use AMD.
Also they have the case where Intel was cause putting lines of code in the compliler they supply that basically boils down to
If not Intel Then
Run slower.
I remember reading AMD proved that when they did an experment on one their CPUs and change the identifier to Intel and found out that it ran a lot faster.
I almost feel AMD get screwed from multiple ways. You got the stuff you listed about their problem plus Intel doing illegal crap to keep AMD from getting traction. You would think Intel would want to keep AMD healthy because if/when AMD goes under Intel will be under a much closer eye for being a monopoly.
Is there any truth behind this?AMD's biggest problem was that Intel beat them in manufacturing. AMD always had problems supplying customers with enough chips so everyone was scared to sign any kind of big deal with them.
What about AMD's acquisition of ATI?(AMD's financial performance prior to Athlon 64/Opteron, AMD's failure with K5 and the fact that it bought Nexgen which took over K6 and K8, and directed the development of K7)
Is there any truth behind this?
What about AMD's acquisition of ATI?
Sure, the playing field hasn't always been fair. But at the same time, in the lawsuit, papers from AMD that said even AMD's head of sales thought intel chips were better also came to light.
(Rodimus - this wasn't directed at you. Others accuse me of merely stating unverifiable opinions).
What about AMD's acquisition of ATI?
Oh I figured it was not aimed at me. I also agree that in the past few years AMD has sucked compared to intel and AMD has never really had good mobile chips.
I mostly was wondering what illegal stuff Intel has been doing to help stack the deck against AMD. Even take away the illegal stuff AMD chips right now suck. It really sucks because AMD had a huge advantage for years. Their chips were better, faster and cheaper than intel. Intel seem to have no clue how to do x86-64 and they more or less had to go with AMD design to pull it off and get the patents from AMD. Also AMD also kick intel ass for a while on the first multicore chips but all those plus AMD had over intel they let slip away from them.
I do fear for our futures because unless AMD can get itself back together Intel will go back to just being a sleep giant who puts out crap again like the p4 line. The only reason intel started making great stuff again was because of AMD athonlon line kicking their ass.
the only reason for the p4 was that everyone thought GHz was the big number. the P3 couldn't scale the way the P4 design could scale so Intel gave people what they wanted