I understand where some things are flawed. I miss the original Expose over Mission Control, but it's not like you were forced to have it. Just downgrade! I keep seeing a lot of people constantly complaining about Lion and how Snow Leopard is a lot better, but didn't everyone complain about Snow Leopard when it came out? I'm just curious about all the Lion hate. It works well.
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Why does everyone hate Lion?
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I remember SL not coming great out of the gates. Why so people home directory getting erased bu the guest account login. Having said that Lion, which was supposed to be the king of cats, is underwhelming.
May be too much expectation.
I remember SL not coming great out of the gates. Why so people home directory getting erased bu the guest account login. Having said that Lion, which was supposed to be the king of cats, is underwhelming.
May be too much expectation.
No hate on my side; just two problems which really bother me: frequent beach ball (iMac 27" 2010, 2.9GHz with 12GB) and a screen which turn black by itself while I'm working. No screensaver or energy setting from what I can see.
Ah, and on a side note my dual screen setup becomes meaningless when using full screen. Not a critical one as I just don't have to use full screen. Fine with that.
Beside that: it just need some time to get mature.
Ah, and on a side note my dual screen setup becomes meaningless when using full screen. Not a critical one as I just don't have to use full screen. Fine with that.
Beside that: it just need some time to get mature.
Not hate Lion on my side. Lion is new. Just need time for it to be complete, stable and the best OS ever. I'm still using SL 10.6.8 now. Still wait for more patches. Maybe I'll take a look when 10.7.3 release (not beta).
I dont hate lion, I just hate the presumptions made by Apple that I would no longer want save as, wouldnt want coloured sidebar icons and would be happy to untick reopen apps option every time I shut down etc, with no option to revert to previous behaviour.
in contrast I've no problem with the new trackpad scrolling direction that ships as standard with Lion because I can turn it off
Over and above that what I'm truly sick and tired off is folks telling me 'if I dont like Lion I dont have to use it' and other inane p**h of the same sort - course I do, there's no prior OS version that'll work on a 2011 MBA
In some respects the biggest problem with Lion is what it represents long term, rather than what it itself has altered in its current form. IMO it doesn't bode well for the future when changes are made that the end user is expected to just suck up and deal with, rather than be given any option over wether they want them or not.
in contrast I've no problem with the new trackpad scrolling direction that ships as standard with Lion because I can turn it off
Over and above that what I'm truly sick and tired off is folks telling me 'if I dont like Lion I dont have to use it' and other inane p**h of the same sort - course I do, there's no prior OS version that'll work on a 2011 MBA
In some respects the biggest problem with Lion is what it represents long term, rather than what it itself has altered in its current form. IMO it doesn't bode well for the future when changes are made that the end user is expected to just suck up and deal with, rather than be given any option over wether they want them or not.
Spend some time reading the threads before posting. This thread is useless. And those with newer models cannot downgrade.
That has been the way with Apple for a while
G3s and half of all G4s left behind with Leopard
Forced to have 3d dock with Leopard
All PPCs left behind with Snow Leopard
Expose changed (there was huge whining about this) with Snow Leopard
I think Lion is meh. But I upgraded since it's a lot easier in the long run to stay current than to make lurching changes later.
I think that there has been more criticism of Lion than other upgrades for a few reasons.
First, it's a change to have to go through the App Store. And selling machines without disks and forcing folks to use Recovery HD and/or internet recovery is a big change, and has a lot of detractors, justifiably so IMHO.
Second, it eliminates Rosetta and deprecates lots of dying applications. It was inevitable, and this just happens to be the upgrade where it occurred. People using orphaned software were gonna complain at some point in the future; it isn't Lion's fault per se.
Third, some hardware running on it does seem to have systemic problems. Wifi, battery use, etc. Apple is a big company that never admits mistakes, and while it demands a premium for quality doesn't always deliver it. People are gonna complain, justifiably, when they pay twice as much for a computer that has software/hardware faults.
Fourth, Lion was an "upgrade" but it didn't really upgrade much, just changed it. Spaces is a good example; only a few see that as a positive change. When a piece of software just gets changed for no apparent reason with no apparent demand for that change, then people are gonna wonder why they paid for it. The Mac OS hasn't had much of anything in the way of innovation in a long time and people aren't going to want to keep paying for just rearranging what's already there.
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I think that there has been more criticism of Lion than other upgrades for a few reasons.
First, it's a change to have to go through the App Store. And selling machines without disks and forcing folks to use Recovery HD and/or internet recovery is a big change, and has a lot of detractors, justifiably so IMHO.
Second, it eliminates Rosetta and deprecates lots of dying applications. It was inevitable, and this just happens to be the upgrade where it occurred. People using orphaned software were gonna complain at some point in the future; it isn't Lion's fault per se.
Third, some hardware running on it does seem to have systemic problems. Wifi, battery use, etc. Apple is a big company that never admits mistakes, and while it demands a premium for quality doesn't always deliver it. People are gonna complain, justifiably, when they pay twice as much for a computer that has software/hardware faults.
Fourth, Lion was an "upgrade" but it didn't really upgrade much, just changed it. Spaces is a good example; only a few see that as a positive change. When a piece of software just gets changed for no apparent reason with no apparent demand for that change, then people are gonna wonder why they paid for it. The Mac OS hasn't had much of anything in the way of innovation in a long time and people aren't going to want to keep paying for just rearranging what's already there.
Rob
only the people who hate Lion hate Lion. and, logically since this is a forum for help, suggestions, and complaints, there's a vocal group complaining about it.
it's not perfect (snow leopard, at 10.6.8, was pretty close to perfect IMHO).
but it's pretty good, and will become great over time.
for now, you use it or not. issues notwithstanding, am enjoying the hell out of it...
it's not perfect (snow leopard, at 10.6.8, was pretty close to perfect IMHO).
but it's pretty good, and will become great over time.
for now, you use it or not. issues notwithstanding, am enjoying the hell out of it...
I'm also a satisfied Lion user. Everything is peachy on my end, and the new features added are great for me. I especially love the new Mission Control compared to the old spaces/expose a sour point for many it seems.
I love Lion, other than weird graphics glitches I get intermittently (distorted areas on my screen; system freezes/kernel panics when watching video).
I don't hate Lion. I just have no need for it. I only upgrade to a new OS when it meets my needs better than the OS I'm currently using. Lion doesn't.
I don't see it as much of an improvement in any aspects. Battery life is worse, speed is slower, and there's some quirky things that aggravate me. (Safari remembering all of previous tabs after quit, "Reopen Windows" checkbox checked by default, etc.)
Now some things I appreciate are full screen apps, gestures, the updates to all of the old apps and the addition of iCloud. Maybe some of the quirks will be fixed in future updates, but I'm running 10.7.3 beta now and there's not much of an improvement.
Now some things I appreciate are full screen apps, gestures, the updates to all of the old apps and the addition of iCloud. Maybe some of the quirks will be fixed in future updates, but I'm running 10.7.3 beta now and there's not much of an improvement.
I don't see why they would have made it like that, considering on all other OSes downgrading is a breeze .___.
I've been using OS X since the Public Beta. Unlike a lot of the vocal people on this board, I really like Lion. I've come to appreciate the gestures. I really like Launchpad (unlike most people on here) and have wanted something like it for years -- although Spotlighting an app is quick and easy too. I also use Mission Control more than I ever used Expose or Spaces.
Are there issues? Yes. They'll get worked out though. For the other stuff, I don't see Apple backing down, so we're going to have to get used to it. At some point, expect Microsoft to copy.
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Its 404ing on me with a clear cache as well. Worked on my 6th try.
Are there issues? Yes. They'll get worked out though. For the other stuff, I don't see Apple backing down, so we're going to have to get used to it. At some point, expect Microsoft to copy.
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Its 404ing on me with a clear cache as well. Worked on my 6th try.
a lot of people are reporting this (myself included).
in safari, in Lion, the apple support page links come up with an error.
just reload the the page, and it will come up fine.
odd that it's the apple site, and apple's safari..!
in safari, in Lion, the apple support page links come up with an error.
just reload the the page, and it will come up fine.
odd that it's the apple site, and apple's safari..!
I love lion. But I was a PC user, so Lion is the only version I'v tried. 
Only thing thats a bit annoying about it, is having to un-check that checkbox every time I want to shut my mini down. But I'm used to having to click a number of times to shut PCs down anyway.
Only thing thats a bit annoying about it, is having to un-check that checkbox every time I want to shut my mini down. But I'm used to having to click a number of times to shut PCs down anyway.
I really dislike Lion, cause they removed expose and changed Dashboard, as well as changed some touch controls
not to mention that iOS crazy of changing the scroll axis...(i know you can change it back)
not to mention that iOS crazy of changing the scroll axis...(i know you can change it back)
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