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John Kirk writing at Techpinions:
http://techpinions.com/whither-apple-or-wither-apple/31198

Tim Cook and Craig Federighi’s Apple?

Apple’s efforts to add geeky Android features to their own products may just be a market response — an attempt by Apple to attract more Android users. However, I think it may also be an area where the current management of Tim Cook and Craig Federighi diverge from their predecessors, Steve Jobs and Scott Forstall. Steve Jobs was a purist and I’m guessing he wouldn’t have wanted to use scarce resources to create features that he didn’t think were important to mainstream users. And make no mistake about it — because this mistake IS being made all across the Technosphere — many of the features Apple added on Monday are totally unnecessary to mainstream users.

One of the unique aspects of Apple has been its willingness to embrace counter-intuitive realities. For example, Apple alone seems to understand that the more you limit what a computer can do, the more likely it is that it can reliably do the things it can do. Another example is choice. Apple knows that simplifying a product has nothing to do with eliminating features and everything to do with eliminating the burden of decision making from its users.

Apple is doing the things we told ourselves they’d never do in their stubbornness. ~ Gabriel Visser (@gvssr)

This is, of course, heresy to the Technoratti. We live in our own little geeky bubble and don’t realize that the features we clamor for most are the features that normals use least. Being un-empathetic is a human condition, but neckbeards like us have raised obliviousness to an art form. Hmm. Stubborn, ey?

When a person stands their ground and we agree with them, they are principled. When a person stands their ground and we disagree with them, they are stubborn. It’s all a matter of perspective and if there’s one thing the tech crowd is lacking, it’s perspective.

All we know is that the power features we so dearly love are essential TO US. Therefore, we assume these features must be essential TO EVERYONE. As Apple has demonstrated over and over and over again — it just ain’t so. Normals buy Apple products, not despite the geek features they lack, but BECAUSE they don’t have to deal with all that geekery.

Steve Jobs was a fanatic and we loved him or hated him for it. Tim Cook strikes me as a more practical sort of man. I’m told Craig Federighi is a bit more geeky than Scott Forstall was. It should, therefore, have come as no surprise to us that Apple was bending a little and becoming a little bit more Android-like.
It should have come as no surprise — but it still did.

Whither Apple or Wither Apple?

So, is this a good thing or a bad thing for Apple? In the short run, it is great for public relations. The pundits and the techheads and the acolytes of “open” are eating this up. Google the words “Apple” and “WWDC” and “open” and you’ll find a dozen or so articles praising the “new” more “open” Apple.

My 2¢: for the past few years it’s felt like Apple’s only goal was to put us in our place. Now it feels like they might want to be friends. ~ Cabel Sasser (@cabel)

You know who needs a friend, Cabel? End users, that’s who. Because when developers become more important than end users you get — Microsoft. Putting developers “in their place” — which is, to say, placed behind end users — is exactly what Apple should be doing.

So in the short-run, developers and geeks are loving the new friendlier, more open Apple. But how is that going to play in long run? Will the “new” Apple be a better Apple; a more successful Apple? Or has Apple begun to lose their way, betraying the very core of their being?
I disagree. I think "mainstream" users don't know what they want until someone gives it to them. I mean how many people were asking for Touch ID? But I'll bet now most 5S users wouldn't want to use an iPhone without it and can't wait for it to come to iPad (and even Macs). Also I'm not sure how you can call things like actionable notifications "power features". I don't consider myself a power user, but I can't tell you how annoying it is to get a text message and have to leave the app I'm in and go to the messages app to respond to it. IMO we should have had actionable notifications long before iOS 8. Honestly I can't think of one feature announced at WWDC that I would consider only for tech geeks or power users. I think mainstream users will start using the features of iOS 8 and wonder why it took so long to get them.

My iPhone and iPad would be pretty worthless to me if not for 3rd party developers so I'm glad Apple is showing them some love.
 
Steve's genius was making people want to stand in line craving something they didn't know existed until a short time before. Now we're offered a slew of new features and increasingly the response is, "meh". Particularly when it doesn't work well out of the gate.
 
Steve's genius was making people want to stand in line craving something they didn't know existed until a short time before. Now we're offered a slew of new features and increasingly the response is, "meh". Particularly when it doesn't work well out of the gate.

I think this is partly also because the iPhone isn't "new" anymore. There's not really any excitement for existing customers. Don't get me wrong, I'm excited for the iPhone 6 but it's not that uncontrollable excitement I had for iPhone 3G or iPad 2 when it was demoed. On the other hand I feel they're really doing well with software. This year I was impressed with both iOS and OSX. More with OSX but both were well done nonetheless. I'm talking about Yosemite and iOS 8
 
I'm pretty happy with the direction Apple has taken. They seem very human and personal now, I really like that. They also appear to be listening to us customers, which is a big plus in my opinion.
 
I don't agree at all; this new Apple is amazing, they're listening to customers and adding more choices (widgets are optional) and power features that might been borrowed from Android but people forget that most of Android was borrowed from iOS.

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I'm assuming that it's also partly a new decision due to market saturation and hardware feature "wauw-effect" plateauing; They begin to realize that they cannot reinvent the wheel every year, so now they're putting a larger emphasis on software and the interplay between iOS devices than ever before to continue having a strong selling point.

Reinventing the interface was a bold move, but every company needs to do this once in a while. Humans get bored easily with consumer products. They're not that necessary for our survival, so we can test and try different devices if we want to. Apple is giving us a new, interesting, yet familiar experience with their new direction, compelling us to stay for what we've come to expect but also for the unexpected things that surprise and excite us.
 
My girlfriend is only moderately technologically inclined at best, and she's quite excited for all of these "geeky" features like a 3rd party keyboard (that works!), iCloud drive, and handoff.
 
He could have mentioned just one feature that he thought was frivolous.

He does seem to skimp on details. Certainly the iCloud drive is potentially useful to everyone. Texting as well as iMessage on all kit is useful to everyone. Extensions, especially those supporting more language support, useful (although i don't like how we have to download an app to get them in some cases)

Handoff is perhaps a 'geek' feature. As is maybe the speakerphone thing. but there are features that are good for everyone, if one gets his head out of his butt

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I've never seen anyone using the widgets. So useless.

you are talking about software that hasn't been released yet so of course no one has been seen using them. once iOS 8 is out and apps have been updated to have widgets we can talk
 
you are talking about software that hasn't been released yet so of course no one has been seen using them. once iOS 8 is out and apps have been updated to have widgets we can talk

He's talking about Android widgets. iOS 8 widgets are different. Seeing as I look at my today view all the time for quick view at stocks and reminders... I say I'd look at it more with more widgets of my choosing.
 
No one uses Airdrop. No one will use continuity or handoff or iCloud tabs.

They just don't work out in the real world.
 
No one uses Airdrop. No one will use continuity or handoff or iCloud tabs.

They just don't work out in the real world.

I use AirDrop with friends to send huge amounts of my photos to a friend's iPhone relatively regularly, especially after big photo ops. Also, as a Windows users, I'm big on using my Chrome browser on my iPhone to recall tabs and history from my laptop.

I'm not really sure what the big deal about continuity is though. If you start a draft in Gmail, and open gmail.com on your laptop, you will see it right there... Maybe because Apple is pushing the data locally instead of through the cloud (requires Bluetooth)? Seems a little backwards to me.
 
From the article:

You know who needs a friend, Cabel? End users, that’s who. Because when developers become more important than end users you get — Microsoft. Putting developers “in their place” — which is, to say, placed behind end users — is exactly what Apple should be doing.

This is, IMO, absolutely silly.

Was the writer born after 2008? Because I'm pretty sure that was the year that 3rd party app developers launched iOS so far ahead that it took years for Android's ecosystem to catch up.

Ask windows phone how awesome it is to have almost no interest from 3rd party developers. Yeah, that's what we want the App Store to look like. Tim Cook, please listen to this writer so we can all go back to using web apps!
 
I'm pretty happy with the direction Apple has taken. They seem very human and personal now, I really like that. They also appear to be listening to us customers, which is a big plus in my opinion.

Not only that, but they are listening to devs which is a huge thing. I do like the way Apple is running now and think Tim is getting into the groove of things. He was talking almost natural in the keynote.
 
Isn't this what Apple has always done.

Take tech ideas that were implemented good enough, often barely good enough for Geeks (who also just get bored with them really quickly) and give them the attention they need to turn them something that is useful for the mainstream.

The original Apple series. a kit computer designed to be given away turned in to a product that just dropped in to millions of homes and offices.
The Mac. built out of ideas from the geeky branch that it's parent company had grown bored of.

I just don't buy the meme that Apple are reacting to customer demand as there are clear signs in the last many iOS and OS X release that the new open features were on the way.

Yes Apple as a company has really opened up and certainly seem to be listen more, which is all good things. They still seem to have a clear idea of where they are heading as well.
 
From the article:



This is, IMO, absolutely silly.

Was the writer born after 2008? Because I'm pretty sure that was the year that 3rd party app developers launched iOS so far ahead that it took years for Android's ecosystem to catch up.

Ask windows phone how awesome it is to have almost no interest from 3rd party developers. Yeah, that's what we want the App Store to look like. Tim Cook, please listen to this writer so we can all go back to using web apps!

Yeah I didn't get that paragraph. Plus it's entirely possible to give developers love AND keep things simple and intuitive for end users at the same time. It's not one or the other.
 
My girlfriend is only moderately technologically inclined at best, and she's quite excited for all of these "geeky" features like a 3rd party keyboard (that works!), iCloud drive, and handoff.

Not to mention that some of this stuff benefits end users in a somewhat indirect way.

Extensions that provide actions mean things like integrating 1Password or LastPass straight into Safari. Fewer jumps for folks who are using password managers, and fewer pain points that might drive some users away from a password manager.

iCloud Drive's UI component has an extension point so that Dropbox/OneDrive/etc can plug in. This means an app writing against this UI gets all other services for "free". That will make more services accessible to more apps. I do like the idea of not being in a position of having to pick apps or cloud storage based on whose app is integrated with what service. A pain point I run into pretty regularly.

Hell, being able to use something like Wunderlist or Things instead of Reminders and still be able to show items in the "Today" view is something I look forward to. Places where 3rd party apps can get 1st party integration in places that make sense do make things better for the end user.
 
The question is what is mainstream user? Now that Apple has become so popular, people in businesses Enterprise use it consistently. Continuity and Handoff seem like great features for people like that. Other users are just typical people who could also use these features if they have Mac or iPad products. Plenty of iOS users who I know are quite interested in using these features. It's another way of securing ecosystem even further. Health also seems like another great feature for iOS and mainstream users. With the iWatch coming out soon, it is also another way to lock down users. Also all of these features are easy to use, requiring no learning curve and wind up just simply working. This is what Apple does best: turning geeky and nerdy features into something seemingly from the future. People love futuristic sounding things and wind up buying them. This is what Apple has done for decades and it is what they have done with iOS since its introduction, iOS 8 is no different from the typical Apple formula.
 
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