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Man jailed for microwaving baby
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In addition to this, I read the same story in the news paper this morning. It said that he punched her a bit first, put her in a safe, then moved on to the microwave.
That last line in the quotation above made me despise lawyers.
And I'm in law school.
Why?
Why?
(a guess) Maybe because it sounds like the lawyer tried to get the guy off on a mental technicality and have him get a bit of psychiatric help instead of prison. He needs both (punishment AND psychiatric help) in my opinion.
Everyone has the right to a defense but I can see why it frustrates some to think of the people (lawyers) who defend despicable criminals.
The lawyer was not the first thing that came to mind when I read this though, just answering a maybe.
What a horrible story.
I wish someone would put him in a microwave to let him experience it.
I hope this young girl will never have memories of being put in there. She's only two months, so i don't think that is likely, thankfully.
I hope this young girl will never have memories of being put in there. She's only two months, so i don't think that is likely, thankfully.
It wasn't the first thing that came to mind while I was reading it, but only because that quote came at the end of the story. By the time I got to the end of the story, I wanted the lawyer and father in the microwave.
And dang, this reminds me of a tasteless "Dead Baby" joke.
It's the norm. No mental health treatment in prisons. So when they get out on parole in 12 years, they are probably just as sick as they were when they went in. You have to draw a distinguishing line between the insanity defense and the mental health or state of most violent criminals. Just because a court deems a defendant competent to stand trial, and does not allow the insanity defense... does not mean the criminal does not suffer from one or many mental conditions or personality disorders [that most likely had an influence on his or her behavior]. These usually go untreated except for counsoling while incarcerated. The same conditions and disorders that would get daily meds, monitored monthly by Psychiatrists on the outside for fear of what could happen if the person went un-medicated... get nothing in prison. Then, the ones that are eligible for parole are tossed out on the streets, given the names, addresses and phone numbers of community mental health providers in the area where they are going to live with the hope that they will see a Doctor and get treatment... years after they've already committed violent crimes.
(a guess) Maybe because it sounds like the lawyer tried to get the guy off on a mental technicality and have him get a bit of psychiatric help instead of prison. He needs both (punishment AND psychiatric help) in my opinion.
Everyone has the right to a defense but I can see why it frustrates some to think of the people (lawyers) who defend despicable criminals.
The lawyer was not the first thing that came to mind when I read this though, just answering a maybe.
What a horrible story.
What use is punnishment to anyone? Surely to benefit society, the person should reenter at some stage not wanting to ever do this to anyone again?
So rehabilitation should be what is saught not the "punishment" of the person.
Perhaps that mentality is what lead to this person doing this thing. The fact that wrongness should be punished is such an archaic attitude which it seems like the criminal used himself albeit to a very harsh and illegal degree!!
Imagine a place with no consequences.
They determined (however they do that) that he was not insane, just a cruel bastard and he got locked up. Cry me a river.
I think mental rehabilitation would indeed be useful but if it's an either or thing, I think prison is probably the better choice in this situation.
I'd hate the idea of people getting such a light punishment for every such crime committed. After all, you can argue all day that there's a reason such crimes are committed, and that we should get to the underlying cause for every such crime.
Instead, I'd rather punish the bastard rather than waste tens of thousands of dollars per year, perhaps a lot more, "rehabilitating" this guy for 10-20 years. Sorry.
Instead, I'd rather punish the bastard rather than waste tens of thousands of dollars per year, perhaps a lot more, "rehabilitating" this guy for 10-20 years. Sorry.
I don't see how someone who put a baby into a microwave can be found sane. It's my personal opinion that he must be insane to exhibit such a shocking lack of empathy..
Fair point. I suppose when I think of insane in terms of the legal system I imagine that a person was unaware that what they were doing was wrong or they weren't aware of what they were actually doing at all. It must have been found that this man was aware it was wrong and just did it anyway. Maybe more along the lines of cruelty than insanity, perhaps.
Either way, I don't think any 'normal' person could do such a thing.
If I had been responsible for that kind of cruelty to my child, the last thing I would be concerned about is a defense. I'd want to kill myself.
Even should he actually be insane, why should that lessen his guilt or liability? Lock him up till death, be it natural or assisted.
Even should he actually be insane, why should that lessen his guilt or liability? Lock him up till death, be it natural or assisted.
if he doesn't realize that you shouldn't put a living being in a microwave then he should go to a closed psychiatric facility for 25 years. if the docs say he's cured AFTER that 25 years he can get out.
if he does realize that you shouldn't put a living being in a microwave then he should go to a prison for 25 years. if the parole board says he's no danger anymore AFTER that 25 years he can get out.
i personally don't believe this whole idea that some personality disorder can make you microwave a baby. you have to be completely insane for that. therefore i don't buy into this "i was disturbed at the time but no i'm fine please let me go free" defense.
if your really insane you need to be in a CLOSED facility for a long time with GOOD CARE.
personality disorders influence how you feel but do not determine or excuse what you do to others.
if he does realize that you shouldn't put a living being in a microwave then he should go to a prison for 25 years. if the parole board says he's no danger anymore AFTER that 25 years he can get out.
i personally don't believe this whole idea that some personality disorder can make you microwave a baby. you have to be completely insane for that. therefore i don't buy into this "i was disturbed at the time but no i'm fine please let me go free" defense.
if your really insane you need to be in a CLOSED facility for a long time with GOOD CARE.
personality disorders influence how you feel but do not determine or excuse what you do to others.
Incarcerate him, sure, but first put his nuts in a microwave for 20 seconds, or so.
Just a precaution, you understand.
Just a precaution, you understand.
I agree with you completely. That is a healthy way of looking at this and how to treat criminals like this. People who say "he should be put in a microwave" or "locked away until death" are no better than him. We will never alleviate the problems with crime or our criminal justice system with attitudes like that.
I don't mean to minimize how horrible this act was but an "eye for an eye" attitude would lead to the end of all civilization.
Prison is the right place for the bastard. The warden should alert all the inmates as to the deed that got him in there. Pedifiles & ******s like that person who prey on the defenseless are usually dealt with accordingly.
I can't comprehend how anyone could do this.
I disagree with your comment though. The goal of punishment is not only to deter this person from doing it again, but also to be severe enough to prevent others from doing the same action in the future. If you knew (and had no conscious) that you could do something major (i.e. murder), do a little time, and then go on about your life, would you give it more consideration than if you knew the punishment would be severe enough that you would lose the opportunity to live your life freely forever?