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Old Apr 20, 2012, 03:13 AM   #1
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Fastest Mac GPUs with full EFI boot screens, etc, GTX570 & GTX580

Now that OS 10.7.3 finally supports GTX5xx GPUs we sunk some extra effort into these cards. Got a few tips and hints from Netkas that got us moving.

I present the fastest Mac Native GPU EVER.

GTX580 3GB running in 10.7.3.

Card shows EFI boot screens on either DVI port.

Also have GTX560 going. Will announce GTX570 separately.

Requires external PSU, but this GTX580 kicks AMD/ATI 5870 to curb, leaves for dead, and never looks back.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 05:11 AM   #2
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Nice!!!

Everything works as per the 5870 too?

Shame I just bought a 6870 but given this needs an external PSU perhaps the 570 is actually the better bet?
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 05:27 AM   #3
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A flashed 5870 only has boot screen on one (1) VGA adapted DVI port.

These GTX5xx cards have boot screens on either port connected however you like.

OSX has had support since 10.7 for GTX5xx cards but requires some minor hacks.

The EFI screens will work all the way back to a 2008 3,1 but will require 10.7 or later for 3D.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 06:24 AM   #4
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A flashed 5870 only has boot screen on one (1) VGA adapted DVI port.

These GTX5xx cards have boot screens on either port connected however you like.

OSX has had support since 10.7 for GTX5xx cards but requires some minor hacks.

The EFI screens will work all the way back to a 2008 3,1 but will require 10.7 or later for 3D.
Sorry, I meant that when in OS X, everything works. So Steam, DVD player, etc. (I.e. it wouldn't crash on me .)

I'm extremely happy with the 6870 working properly, no issues as of yet and I'm confident enough in it for me to sell the 4870!
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 09:29 AM   #5
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Give us a run through on how you do it? Think i'll get a one these cards now
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 09:34 AM   #6
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Give us a run through on how you do it? Think i'll get a one these cards now
Agreed! I'd love to try this too.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 12:51 PM   #7
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give us a run through on how you do it? Think i'll get a one these cards now
me too!!
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 09:58 PM   #8
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I don't think he would ever do that. If you search his ID on ebay, you can find him selling those modded cards.

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Old Apr 20, 2012, 10:07 AM   #9
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Holding on for the new Mac Pro (sigh, if they ever are updated) to see what graphic card options they will have.

Just a shame we have to resort to all these gorilla methods for getting a reasonable powerful graphic card for our workstation class machines.

But yeah, I'm sure both AMD and nVIDIA could release their own cards with EFI and drivers if they bothered, like ATI did once for the Radeon 3870.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 12:32 PM   #11
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I would love to get an Nvidia card, but I work with FCPX a little and probably will in the future so that's out of the question. It's built to take advantage of OpenCL exclusively so ATI is my only chance. However that means I miss out on CUDA acceleration in Adobe Premiere which I also use. OpenCL support for 2011 MBP's is being added to Adobe CS6, but that's the extent of the support for now. I trust Adobe to create more cross compatibility over Apple.

Don't expect anything other then ATI cards in Macs for the long haul. No way they would write FCPX from the ground up to take advantage of all any Mac can offer and then create hardware that can't use it anymore LOL. At least I would hope not haha.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 12:42 PM   #12
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It's built to take advantage of OpenCL exclusively so ATI is my only chance. However that means I miss out on CUDA acceleration in Adobe Premiere which I also use. OpenCL support for 2011 MBP's is being added to Adobe CS6, but that's the extent of the support for now. I trust Adobe to create more cross compatibility over Apple.
Huh? OpenCL also works on NVidia cards. It's an open standard, not ATI specific.

Not ALL NVidia cards, as there is an incomplete driver set. But it worked fine on my old GeForce 8800 GT.

So I guess that means a good question is if OpenCL is working on these cards.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 12:43 PM   #13
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I'm hopeful Mac Pros will suport the HD7970. OpenCL scores are off the charts.

Tempted though to get the GTX580 in the mean time.
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Old Apr 20, 2012, 12:47 PM   #14
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Hello,

Question for all you guys who know a lot about GPUs. I was planning on buying a 6870 (for the diablo III releaase) for my 2009 MP.

Is there an nVidia card that has roughly the same price/performance ratio *and* that has at least one mini display ports?

Thanks

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Old May 30, 2012, 04:02 PM   #15
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Just a shame we have to resort to all these gorilla methods for
Think you meant 'guerrilla'. Sorry for the correction, but any break from lamenting Apple's (non) support of Mac Pros is good
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Old Apr 27, 2012, 05:10 PM   #16
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Gtx580

I'd like to confirm the following:

A GTX580 can be installed into a Mac Pro running the latest OSX version without the need for any special modifications to the card or additional power supply units. I read somewhere that I would need a 6 to 8 pin power converter. Also, do I need to be worried about upgrading the OS to the next version and having the drivers invalidated until NVidia decides to update? (Like with ****** PC's).

Can someone confirm all of this?

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Old Apr 27, 2012, 05:28 PM   #17
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I'd like to confirm the following:

A GTX580 can be installed into a Mac Pro running the latest OSX version without the need for any special modifications to the card or additional power supply units. I read somewhere that I would need a 6 to 8 pin power converter. Also, do I need to be worried about upgrading the OS to the next version and having the drivers invalidated until NVidia decides to update? (Like with ****** PC's).

Can someone confirm all of this?

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I will eventually create a down clocked 580 that will work in Mac Pro with no extra power, but currently you need external power.

As far as what will happen in future OS releases.....my Crystal Ball started showing static so I took it into the shop.

Everyone got all worked up about the 10.7.3 "magic" drivers but the fact was the Netkas had offered this same functionality for a couple years. "ATY_Init" did the exact same thing, but Nvidia's way looks nicer in System Profiler. Functionally the same except for that cosmetic issue.

Support for GTX5xx cards has been in OSX since 10.7.0. The ability to "self init" may go away, but you can just use Netkas little app to do same thing. (consider a donation to him if you do...it helps us all in the long term)
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Old Apr 27, 2012, 06:09 PM   #18
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Gtx570

Would I need an new power supply for the 570? Looking for a simple plug in and work solution. I don't know what a "ATY_Init" is and unfortunately don't have time to read up on hacky ways of trying to get a graphics cards upgraded...I know, I know, should have bought a PC. Thanks for the help.
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Old Apr 28, 2012, 09:07 AM   #19
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I'd like to confirm the following:

A GTX580 can be installed into a Mac Pro running the latest OSX version without the need for any special modifications to the card or additional power supply units. I read somewhere that I would need a 6 to 8 pin power converter. Also, do I need to be worried about upgrading the OS to the next version and having the drivers invalidated until NVidia decides to update? (Like with ****** PC's).

Can someone confirm all of this?

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Ryan
I have mine running from two 6 pins to the 8 pin and 2 molex to the 6 pin. Runs fine for me.
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Old Apr 28, 2012, 03:13 PM   #20
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One of the first cards has landed at end users place.

And I have decided that I need to reiterate some things that I didn't make clear before.

1. You can use these in any version of 10.7 but you will need to do the "add the device id to driver" thing UNLESS you use:

http://www.nvidia.com/object/macosx-...01-driver.html

Big "Thank You !!!" to hard working guys at Nvidia who wrote us such a nice driver !!! Keep them coming.

2. If you are trying a 10.7.4 BETA, you will need to install that 10.7.3 driver ON TOP of the 10.7.4 Beta. (or add the device id to kext)

3. You will need to remove the AGPM kext.

4. Nvidia drivers have historically been 2 channel only. The way they define display channels is more rigid than Windows so cards are limited to 2 working ports. On a Dual DVI & Mini HDMI card, we just have the 2 DVI ports working and turn off the HDMI. On the 4 outlet cards it is a little trickier, we disable the 2nd DVI and HDMI and just enable Displayport. This is not laziness on our part...do an image comparison of Mac versions of Quadro 4000 and 4800 to the Windows ones. Nvidia does the same thing, they just have the luxury of not soldering the ports on to begin with. If you absolutely MUST have both DVI ports working let us know and we can write it that way but then the Displayport will NOT work. Most people would rather have the ability to see boot screens on an Apple DIsplay as an option. You can always use DIsplaport to DVI adapter if needed. These "turned off" ports continue to the Windows side.

5. These cards are REALLY fast.

First reviews should start showing up today.
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One of the first cards has landed at end users place.
Indeed it has. And thank you very much to MacVidCards for working with me and getting the GTX570 to me so quickly. NewEgg delivered it to him on Thursday, and USPS dropped it on my doorstep this morning. That's some quick turn-around (and shipping!)

I took a bad picture of the LCD while my Mac was booting with the GTX installed, just so everyone can see it does in fact display the EFI grey boot screen. After that, I was off to a slow start due to not realizing I had to get the latest drivers direct from nVidia. I thought 10.7.3 had them incorporated, but I was wrong. Once he corrected me, all was well. CUDA-Z saw it, Adobe Premiere Pro saw it, and I started some tests.

I edited a couple of my race track videos, each of which consist of two 1080p camera angles from inside the car: one pointing forward, the other backward. The source footage is AVCHD. The rear-facing image has to be scaled down 50% and cropped. Then both videos then have to be scaled down to 720p. Most of this work is handled by the card. Twenty minute track videos were being exported to MP4 in a little over real time with my previous Quadro 4000. With the GTX they exported in half real time.

That's one HELL of an improvement!

MacVidCards is a top notch individual and I'd definitely do business with him again. Now I just have to find something to do with my Quadro 4K...

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Indeed it has. And thank you very much to MacVidCards for working with me and getting the GTX570 to me so quickly. NewEgg delivered it to him on Thursday, and USPS dropped it on my doorstep this morning. That's some quick turn-around (and shipping!)

I took a bad picture of the LCD while my Mac was booting with the GTX installed, just so everyone can see it does in fact display the EFI grey boot screen. After that, I was off to a slow start due to not realizing I had to get the latest drivers direct from nVidia. I thought 10.7.3 had them incorporated, but I was wrong. Once he corrected me, all was well. CUDA-Z saw it, Adobe Premiere Pro saw it, and I started some tests.

I edited a couple of my race track videos, each of which consist of two 1080p camera angles from inside the car: one pointing forward, the other backward. The source footage is AVCHD. The rear-facing image has to be scaled down 50% and cropped. Then both videos then have to be scaled down to 720p. Most of this work is handled by the card. Twenty minute track videos were being exported to MP4 in a little over real time with my previous Quadro 4000. With the GTX they exported in half real time.

That's one HELL of an improvement!

MacVidCards is a top notch individual and I'd definitely do business with him again. Now I just have to find something to do with my Quadro 4K...

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Old Oct 30, 2012, 04:35 PM   #23
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As I consider to build myself a hackintosh, I wanted to ask if an EFI-flashed GTX570 2560MB gives me any improvement over a stock PC one used in a hackintosh.
Otherwise, it might make sense to sell the card and get e.g. a GTX580 3GB (I don't wanna use Kepler cards since I need the machine for video editing and therefore more CUDA power).
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As I consider to build myself a hackintosh, I wanted to ask if an EFI-flashed GTX570 2560MB gives me any improvement over a stock PC one used in a hackintosh.
Otherwise, it might make sense to sell the card and get e.g. a GTX580 3GB (I don't wanna use Kepler cards since I need the machine for video editing and therefore more CUDA power).
As you may have guessed, the EFI won't be read or seen in a Hack. So you might very well be better off with a standard card in a Hack. The PCIE being locked at 1.0 is a function of Apple Hardware, so you will also sidestep that little bullet too.
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As you may have guessed, the EFI won't be read or seen in a Hack. So you might very well be better off with a standard card in a Hack. The PCIE being locked at 1.0 is a function of Apple Hardware, so you will also sidestep that little bullet too.
Hmm... so I've been reverse engineering and rebuilding my hackintosh that was put together for me (ML 10.8). Am I to guess correctly that my 1.28GB GTX570 has no EFI bios chip on it?

I can dump an off the shelf PC GTX 580 in there and it will work the same?
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