Go Back   MacRumors Forums > Special Interests > Visual Media > Design and Graphics

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Sep 13, 2012, 02:52 PM   #1
odnarbssagib
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Mountain Lion, Photoshop and Wacom

I'm considering getting a new Imac when it comes out. I am definitely getting a Cintiq 24HD. So, I'm wondering how Mountain Lion, Photoshop and Wacom tablets play together. I'm hearing some worrying things, things that might make me stick with Windows. So I ask you all, should I expect problems between these three?
odnarbssagib is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 13, 2012, 03:15 PM   #2
sigmadog
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: USA - Upper Left
I am a day or two away from pulling the trigger on a Cintiq 22HD (it's less expensive than the 24HD and much much lighter).

I'm still running with Snow Leopard on my Mac Pro (early 2008, 3,1) and don't expect too much difficulty getting Wacom, SL, Photoshop and Painter to play well together. I HAVE heard that there are a glitches in the Wacom drivers that need to be fixed for Mountain Lion, but I can't recall any specifics. And Wacom can be sluggish to update their drivers at times.

Overall, I'm really excited to add the Cintiq to my workflow. After 10+ years with Intuos tablets, it will be nice to once again actually watch my hand when I'm drawing/painting.
__________________
My Mac is just a tool. People don't look at my art and congratulate me for having a great computer.
sigmadog.com
sigmadog is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 13, 2012, 03:20 PM   #3
odnarbssagib
Thread Starter
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Quote:
Originally Posted by sigmadog View Post
I am a day or two away from pulling the trigger on a Cintiq 22HD (it's less expensive than the 24HD and much much lighter).

I'm still running with Snow Leopard on my Mac Pro (early 2008, 3,1) and don't expect too much difficulty getting Wacom, SL, Photoshop and Painter to play well together. I HAVE heard that there are a glitches in the Wacom drivers that need to be fixed for Mountain Lion, but I can't recall any specifics. And Wacom can be sluggish to update their drivers at times.

Overall, I'm really excited to add the Cintiq to my workflow. After 10+ years with Intuos tablets, it will be nice to once again actually watch my hand when I'm drawing/painting.

I prefer the 24HD because of the stand and because I want a fuller color gamut. I've been doing some research and there are some complaints with wacom, mountain lion and photoshop.

How is Painter working for you? I hear Painter 12 is very buggy in Mac and slow as well since there is no 64-bit version yet.
odnarbssagib is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 13, 2012, 03:59 PM   #4
chrono1081
macrumors 604
 
chrono1081's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Isla Nublar
Painter 12 works fine for me on the Mac Pro in my sig, as does Photoshop, ZBrush, and Sketchbook.

As for the Wacom, your Cintiq should be just fine if you use driver 6.1.5-7. MAKE SURE that driver is available for your model.

Intuos 5's cannot use this driver and Wacom has been insanely slow at fixing the issue. It will work with Intuos 4's. They blame Apple but the fact that the older drivers work just fine puts the ball right back in Wacom's court. (I know I've been back and forth with them over and over.).

Not using the 6.1.5-7 driver may result in input lag after you press an express key. This is devastating for programs like ZBrush. It doesn't happen to everyone so I'd try the current drivers first.
__________________
Mac Pro (2010): 3.33Ghz Intel Xeon (6 core) - 24 GB RAM - NVidia Quadro k5000
Macbook Air (2010): 2.13 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo - 4GB RAM
chrono1081 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 13, 2012, 04:18 PM   #5
odnarbssagib
Thread Starter
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Thanks. The Cintiq 24HD works with the 6.1.5-7 driver. That's another reason why I plan on getting that one over the 22HD. Spending this amount of money and opting for the Mac ecosystem is problematic because there are zero such issues on Windows. Moreover, I will never have to wait for a new computer to be released if I go Windows.

Not sure which way I'll go just yet.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chrono1081 View Post
Painter 12 works fine for me on the Mac Pro in my sig, as does Photoshop, ZBrush, and Sketchbook.

As for the Wacom, your Cintiq should be just fine if you use driver 6.1.5-7. MAKE SURE that driver is available for your model.

Intuos 5's cannot use this driver and Wacom has been insanely slow at fixing the issue. It will work with Intuos 4's. They blame Apple but the fact that the older drivers work just fine puts the ball right back in Wacom's court. (I know I've been back and forth with them over and over.).

Not using the 6.1.5-7 driver may result in input lag after you press an express key. This is devastating for programs like ZBrush. It doesn't happen to everyone so I'd try the current drivers first.
odnarbssagib is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 13, 2012, 04:28 PM   #6
chrono1081
macrumors 604
 
chrono1081's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Isla Nublar
Quote:
Originally Posted by odnarbssagib View Post
Thanks. The Cintiq 24HD works with the 6.1.5-7 driver. That's another reason why I plan on getting that one over the 22HD. Spending this amount of money and opting for the Mac ecosystem is problematic because there are zero such issues on Windows. Moreover, I will never have to wait for a new computer to be released if I go Windows.

Not sure which way I'll go just yet.
I wouldn't say zero.

I support a lot of these for a living and Windows has just as many issues. Its not Windows fault though, its Wacom. Their drivers are generally crappy on both 7 and Lion/Mountain Lion.

Wacom takes FOREVER to make stable drivers.
__________________
Mac Pro (2010): 3.33Ghz Intel Xeon (6 core) - 24 GB RAM - NVidia Quadro k5000
Macbook Air (2010): 2.13 Ghz Intel Core 2 Duo - 4GB RAM
chrono1081 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Sep 13, 2012, 04:22 PM   #7
sigmadog
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: USA - Upper Left
Quote:
Originally Posted by odnarbssagib View Post
I prefer the 24HD because of the stand and because I want a fuller color gamut. I've been doing some research and there are some complaints with wacom, mountain lion and photoshop.

How is Painter working for you? I hear Painter 12 is very buggy in Mac and slow as well since there is no 64-bit version yet.
The fuller color gamut would be nice, and the way the stand can adjust to hang below the surface of the desk is cool, but at 67lbs., I think I'd throw my back out every time I tried to move it. In my setup (2 x 23" Cinema Displays plus the Cintiq), I will need it to be a bit more mobile. So I'm compromising with a little less color and a lot less heavy.

I'll be ordering it once I finish building a new desk to accommodate it (hopefully I can finish it this weekend).

I have not had any major issues with Painter 12, though I'm frustrated they haven't released the 64-bit Mac version yet. It seems snappy enough for my purposes, though it does slow a bit on large files. I did a 16" x 30" inch illustration earlier this year at 300 res and I had to keep the number of layers down to 4 or so or else it got a bit sluggish. But that's an extreme example. Most of my Painter work is around 20" x 20" at 300 res and it seems to work fine. Painter is definitely not as smooth as Photoshop, and most digital illustrators seem to prefer Photoshop, but I really like the way the brushes work in Painter more than Photoshop. The interface for brushes is closer to the way I would work with traditional media, so I'm more comfortable with it.
__________________
My Mac is just a tool. People don't look at my art and congratulate me for having a great computer.
sigmadog.com
sigmadog is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2012, 05:30 PM   #8
enfant terrible
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Updated drivers for 10.8?

I recently purchased an iMac and was considering getting an Intuos5. I'm wondering if anyone were still experiencing difficulty with their Wacom tablets when using Mountain Lion? I'd hate to shell out a few hundred dollars for a product only to find that it does not work properly. And for those who said Windows machines had fewer issues, would you recommend getting Parallels to address those on the Mac?
enfant terrible is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2012, 05:37 PM   #9
Aussie Gent
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Australia
I'm using ML on an iMac with Wacom Intuos 4 and Photoshop and have never experienced any issues at all...and I use mine a lot.

Last edited by Aussie Gent; Dec 29, 2012 at 05:46 PM.
Aussie Gent is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2012, 05:56 PM   #10
enfant terrible
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Oh and another (tangentially) related question, does anyone know if there are any major differences between the Small, Medium, and Large Intuos5 models apart from relative workspace size? I read product overviews, Amazon reviews, etc. and I gleaned that the smallest was preferable for those focusing on photo editing but 8x12 (to me anyway) already seems hefty. Any thoughts on this would be appreciated; I'm new to the world of tablets and don't want to buy the wrong thing.
enfant terrible is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 29, 2012, 10:10 PM   #11
Aussie Gent
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: Australia
I purchased the extra large Wacom but only use a small central portion of it...probably about 6" x 10".

Having the extra space does make things really comfortable though. I rest my forearms a lot on it.

Mine is always on my desk and I do not travel with it. The smaller ones are useful if you are going to be out and about with your tablet.

I've used a medium tablet and found it hard to get used to the size coming from the extra large. With a fews days work it would have been ok I suppose.

I am looking at the 24HD but am unsure if I would find it difficult coming from a standard tablet. I am so used to watching the screen now and seeing everything. With the 24HD I would be 'covering up' my work. Although the precision would probably be greater on the 24HD.

Would like to hear from anyone who has made the move from standard tablet to Cintiq....easy?
__________________
Facebook | Homepage | Speed Paintings
Aussie Gent is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Dec 31, 2012, 01:49 PM   #12
phrehdd
macrumors 68000
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Just a couple of thoughts here -

I used for a short time a Cintiq 20 wide and had to use a third party app to get the correct screen resolution. It was not a big deal but then again, at the price of the Cintiq, one would imagine it would work right out of the box.

A few years ago, I used a Cintiq 20 wide for work purposes. I ran into a couple of problems that I hope others here could give some comment on (how to get around or alleviate)

Mostly Photoshop and some Illustrator --

1) When having to trace along images, at times either or both my hand and stylus would somewhat get in the way of viewing what I am doing.
2) If I had to go trace along a very large area that went from one end of the screen to the other, it required long arm gesticulation which once in a while is okay but gets tiring after a while.

Please understand, from the above that I only used the product for a couple of months and had to jump quickly.
phrehdd is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 2, 2013, 11:38 AM   #13
Jim Campbell
macrumors 6502a
 
Jim Campbell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: A World of my Own; UK
Quote:
Originally Posted by phrehdd View Post
Just a couple of thoughts here -
1) When having to trace along images, at times either or both my hand and stylus would somewhat get in the way of viewing what I am doing.
The whole point of a Cintiq is to more closely replicate the action of working at an actual drawing board on paper. The downside of that is that sometimes your hand will get in the way of what you want to look at. The upside is you don't get the hand-eye disconnect that comes with working on a normal tablet.

Quote:
2) If I had to go trace along a very large area that went from one end of the screen to the other, it required long arm gesticulation which once in a while is okay but gets tiring after a while.
Umm… zoom out so that the line takes up less space on screen and will require less travel by your arm to trace?

TBH, Illustrator has a pretty decent auto-trace feature these days, so if all you were doing was tracing, I'd be inclined to let AI do the donkey-work and then just do clean-up manually.

Cheers

Jim
__________________
Eagle Award Nominated Comic Book Letterer: Blog | Samples
Not-So-Professional-Artist: Scribbles
Jim Campbell is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 2, 2013, 03:10 PM   #14
KonaMacMike
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Send a message via Skype™ to KonaMacMike
How does everyone keep their screen clean?
Does it have some anti-fingerprint glass?
KonaMacMike is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Jan 2, 2013, 03:26 PM   #15
Jim Campbell
macrumors 6502a
 
Jim Campbell's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: A World of my Own; UK
Quote:
Originally Posted by KonaMacMike View Post
How does everyone keep their screen clean?
Does it have some anti-fingerprint glass?
The screens have a matte finish and a strong backlight that makes fingerprints quite hard to see. I given mine a wipe with iKlear spray and a microfibre cloth about once a month.

Cheers

Jim
__________________
Eagle Award Nominated Comic Book Letterer: Blog | Samples
Not-So-Professional-Artist: Scribbles
Jim Campbell is offline   0 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > Special Interests > Visual Media > Design and Graphics

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Which photoshop would u suggest using Mountain Lion (on new mac) rsted222 Mac Applications and Mac App Store 3 Jan 26, 2013 07:46 PM
if i uppgrade to mountain lion will both lion and mountain lion be installed? Popis1991 OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion 2 Sep 16, 2012 07:31 AM
Problem clean installing Mountain Lion over Mountain Lion! datsmabowl OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion 6 Aug 15, 2012 10:13 PM
Photoshop CS4 Mountain Lion mikegray1966 Mac Applications and Mac App Store 3 Aug 6, 2012 07:38 AM
Quark Xpress, Photoshop and Mountain Lion 10.8 Lady Mac OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion 20 Jul 31, 2012 09:20 AM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 04:00 AM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC