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Old Oct 30, 2012, 02:43 PM   #1
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Unauthorized Lightning Accessories Continue Rolling Out with New Docks




Over the past few weeks, we've been covering a few of the recent unofficial Lightning accessories that have been surfacing into the void left by Apple's decision to wait until early November to begin bringing most of its official accessory partners up to speed on the new connector for the iPhone 5, iPad, and iPad mini.

iPhone5mod seems to be one of the fastest-moving companies releasing Lightning accessories without Apple's authorization, having released several cables and working on docks and adapters using the new standard. The company today announced two new Lightning docks for the iPhone 5 that will begin shipping within the next few weeks.

The first is an upgraded Classic Dock that is similar to the one announced last week but which adds a second mounting slot to allow users to prop up their devices in either portrait or landscape mode without being mounted on the charging connector.

The second is a new iPhone 5 Dock PRO that will be available in both Lightning and micro-USB versions, allowing users to choose which type of cable they wish to run from their computer or power adapter to the dock. The dock also includes a removable slot cover to offer two different sizes of docking slots to accommodate both naked and cased iPhones.

iPhone5mod has also already announced improved versions of its standard and lighted Lightning to USB cables, increasing durability and compatibility.

The company also tells us that it is working on several other new docks, including a standalone one for the iPad mini and a universal one for the iPhone and iPad mini, as well as Lightning card readers for the iPhone 5 and iPad mini.

Certainly some users have concerns over purchasing unauthorized accessories, and iPhone5mod's rapid iteration on the already-released cables to improve durability may be a bit disconcerting, but it seems clear that Apple's decision to keep official accessory manufacturers in the dark until well after the launch of Lightning-based products has left a significant market opportunity for companies looking to meet demand from users.

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Old Oct 30, 2012, 02:46 PM   #2
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Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:01 PM   #4
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Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.
Exactly right.
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:12 PM   #5
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Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.
yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off.

I think it is telling that apple didn't integrate the 3.5" jack into their own adapter to give analogue support; they anticipate changing the location of the 3.5" jack eventually and the ipod touch/nano won't have the exact same location either.

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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:22 PM   #6
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yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off
But would that annoy third party manufacturers or users most?

Not saying they won't, just saying it would be stupid.
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:23 PM   #7
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Why don't Apple provide a standard dock like they always have.
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:25 PM   #8
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:33 PM   #9
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Why don't Apple provide a standard dock like they always have.
Apple claims people prefer speaker docks and making standard docks is not worthwhile for them, or something like that.

The real question is: why hasn't apple released a detailed spec allowing legit 3rd party docks (both of the speaker variety and standard chargers) to come to market the day the iphone5 was announced?
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yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off
If the connector location is changed, it's likely that it's an all new iPhone and you'd need a new dock anyways.

(plus I don't think Apple is all that concerned about making their shiny new iPhone compatible with an unauthorized third party accessory anyways)
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yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off
just make the 3.5mm peg detachable. if it's repositioned on the next phone then detach it from the base unit. if not, you're golden.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 12:33 PM   #12
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yeah, but apple could slightly change the location in the next phone and throw everyone off
If Apple starts playing games with the after market suppliers, to the detriment of Apple customers, goodbye Apple!
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 05:29 AM   #13
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Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.
I looked at some of the knock off stuff on Amazon and have decided that if you ask yourself a couple of basic questions then you don't need a dock any more. You only need to make a physical connection for IOS updates now, and the chip in the Lightning cable would deter me from buying any of these offerings. Apple will not be making a dock either, so I;m sticking with a stand and wifi syncing. I can only see issues with broken ports, pins stuck in the device etc if the current batch are used. That little pin set is bound to be super vulnerable to damage.
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You only need to make a physical connection for IOS updates now.
Actually since iOS 5, iOS has been able to update itself over-the-air.

But you still need to make a physical connection to *charge* the device.

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That little pin set is bound to be super vulnerable to damage.
Huh? The new dock connector seems much more robust than the old 30-pin one. Much more robust than a micro-USB, too, for that matter.
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Old Oct 31, 2012, 06:53 AM   #15
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Lightening and Video Out

Any word on a lightening cable with video out. Would really like this to be able to use in my car.
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Old Nov 1, 2012, 07:45 AM   #16
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Those docks really ought to add a 3.5mm plug for additional stability. I don't imagine that tiny Lightning connector is anywhere near as stable as the 30-pin.
All they need is a back rest...gravity will do the rest. The lightening connector will be fine if the dock is designed even remotely decently. Look at how many Android docks work fine with micro USB.

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I am sorry but what you are suggesting is not very realistic. You are suggesting Apple should've pre-announced the connector (and not the devices using new connector).
Yeah pre-announcing lightening would have been difficult. Even if they had announced the specification in advance, without also offering the dimensions of the devices being produced they are still leaving probably the vast majority of manufacturers in the dark. They should have got the specifications out more shortly after the announcement, thats for sure, but I wouldn't expect it before hand.

It's a shame Apple didn't produce any docks of their own though to tide consumers over.
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:04 PM   #17
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I'm perfectly okay with this. To be honest, I never purchased OEM 30pin sync cables from Apple anyways, I would get the inexpensive third party look-alikes from eBay.
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I'm perfectly okay with this. To be honest, I never purchased OEM 30pin sync cables from Apple anyways, I would get the inexpensive third party look-alikes from eBay.
The quality of the unlicensed 3rd-party 30-pin cables you get on eBay is, in my experience, very poor. They tend to be quite sensitive (lose the connection on movement, don't work well with dirty/damaged sync ports on devices, etc), and the connectors sometimes fall apart after a few weeks/months of use.

Sure, they're very cheap, and you can buy like 10 or 20 for the price of one genuine cable. But having to replace unreliable cables regularly is pretty annoying.

I just hope that if 3rd parties are making lightning connectors, they ramp up the quality level a lot.
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The quality of the unlicensed 3rd-party 30-pin cables you get on eBay is, in my experience, very poor. They tend to be quite sensitive (lose the connection on movement, don't work well with dirty/damaged sync ports on devices, etc), and the connectors sometimes fall apart after a few weeks/months of use.

Sure, they're very cheap, and you can buy like 10 or 20 for the price of one genuine cable. But having to replace unreliable cables regularly is pretty annoying.

I just hope that if 3rd parties are making lightning connectors, they ramp up the quality level a lot.
I can't say the same. In my experiences, they've all been perfectly functional.
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I can't say the same. In my experiences, they've all been perfectly functional.
I'm sure there's better quality cables out there if you know where to look (or get lucky!).

But when you're buying knock-offs on eBay, it's hard to know what you're getting exactly. In the case of 30-pins, the cables I got always turned out to be pretty crappy.
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:10 PM   #21
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Perfect. This this the kind of stuff the market needs to hell keep apple in check. While I like a lot of apple products what they charge for accessories is too much.
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Old Oct 30, 2012, 03:14 PM   #22
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The decision to withhold Lightning wasn't a Forstall decision, was it? Why wasn't the exec responsible for this made to walk the plank with the rest?

This is a much bigger mistake than Maps, in my opinion.
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I'm glad these have come out so quickly. As long as I've looked at a product's review history, I've never had any problem with any of the cheap knock-off versions of Apple connectors before - so I don't expect problems with these either.

This way I can have spare cables at various locations - e.g. car, office, in various bags - without having to take out a third mortgage (the second mortgage was needed for the original hardware purchase ).
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I'm glad these have come out so quickly. As long as I've looked at a product's review history, I've never had any problem with any of the cheap knock-off versions of Apple connectors before - so I don't expect problems with these either.

This way I can have spare cables at various locations - e.g. car, office, in various bags - without having to take out a third mortgage (the second mortgage was needed for the original hardware purchase ).
With about 17 iOS devices in the extended family - I have purchased a number of 3rd party wall chargers, 30pin cables and car chargers - I have had issues with a couple of them - one wall charger blew up (yes blew up - smoke coming out charring on the USB socket) - one cord that would charge but messed with the touch input - and a car charger that worked fine with older devices but will not properly charge the iPhone 4S - and a few that have connectors a tad bulky to plug in with some cases on. Overall I have been satisfied with them and while some have failed, none have cause any damage to anything but themselves. I like retractable cords for the car and my travel bag - and as far as I now Apple has never made those.
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I have a Pioneer 1400DVD system in my car which has a USB for plugging in the Iphone for charging and audio. I am told with the 4s using AppRadio and AppMode on the radio, the IPhone screen would show on the screen of the system for apps such as Netflix, Waze, etc. This does not work now with the new Lightening cable.
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