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Old Nov 9, 2012, 10:20 AM   #1
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iPhone 5 Coming to China in Late November or Early December




The Wall Street Journal reports that China Telecom is preparing to begin offering the iPhone 5 in late November or early December, adding to the potential for a blockbuster holiday quarter for Apple.
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Government officials haven't offered guidance on when the iPhone 5 might win final approval. But China Telecom Chairman Wang Xiaochu said Friday in a brief interview on the sidelines of the Communist Party's 18th Party Congress in Beijing that the phone should be by early December if not sooner.

China Unicom Chairman Chang Xiaobing was less certain. "We hope to offer it this year, but what I say doesn't matter," he said on the sidelines of the congress, adding that his company was waiting for the government to grant the remaining licenses for the phone to be released in China.
The report notes that China was responsible for $5.7 billion in revenue for Apple last quarter, 16% of the company's total.

Apple has committed to a rapid rollout of the iPhone 5 to at least 100 countries by the end of the year, despite continuing production issues that have resulted in shortages where the device has already launched. China is typically well behind the lead pack of countries when it comes to new Apple product launches, but the compressed launch schedule for the iPhone 5 means that this gap may only be roughly two months from the first round of launches in the U.S. and other countries.

The introduction of the iPhone 5 in China is also likely to reduce the number of units being siphoned off from other countries by gray market dealers purchasing the devices elsewhere for resale in China. Despite Apple's efforts to limit their ability to soak up supplies, scalpers are still working to secure as many iPhones as possible from retail stores in Hong Kong, the U.S., and other countries to send back to China.

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Apple will sell boatloads of these to the Chinese.
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Pardon my ingorance, but...

How much does the average Chinese worker/citizen make? Are the phones being sold in China subsidized somehow? I mean, here in the US, I am of middle income and so far my family has been unable to purchase iPhones mainly because of the annual costs associated with the cellular plans. If it is somewhat out of reach for me, how can a Chinese citizen afford it? (Of course I wonder the same thing about all the unemployed 20-somethings I encounter on a daily basis...)
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Old Nov 9, 2012, 12:22 PM   #5
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How much does the average Chinese worker/citizen make? Are the phones being sold in China subsidized somehow? I mean, here in the US, I am of middle income and so far my family has been unable to purchase iPhones mainly because of the annual costs associated with the cellular plans. If it is somewhat out of reach for me, how can a Chinese citizen afford it? (Of course I wonder the same thing about all the unemployed 20-somethings I encounter on a daily basis...)
A tiny percentage of the Chinese population who can afford the iPhone is a huge number of sales that Apple or any company for that matter, can't ignore. Also, data plans in Asia are much cheaper than in the US.
Guess in which country all the luxury goods companies are focusing their sales at these days?
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Old Nov 9, 2012, 02:06 PM   #6
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A tiny percentage of the Chinese population who can afford the iPhone is a huge number of sales that Apple or any company for that matter, can't ignore. Also, data plans in Asia are much cheaper than in the US.
Guess in which country all the luxury goods companies are focusing their sales at these days?
I suppose that 1% of one billion is still a pretty big number...
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Old Nov 11, 2012, 11:43 AM   #7
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How much does the average Chinese worker/citizen make? Are the phones being sold in China subsidized somehow? I mean, here in the US, I am of middle income and so far my family has been unable to purchase iPhones mainly because of the annual costs associated with the cellular plans. If it is somewhat out of reach for me, how can a Chinese citizen afford it? (Of course I wonder the same thing about all the unemployed 20-somethings I encounter on a daily basis...)
avg is low. but u will be surprised to hear how much a good % of people earns in big cities well, besides that, lot of young adults buy this phone just by saving their salaries (sometimes even 3-4 times their monthly salaries)...this you wont see in europe or u.s. i have seen a boatman, earning 2 USD per trip of 30 minutes, sporting a shiny new 4S.
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Old Nov 9, 2012, 11:46 AM   #8
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So if you want to buy iPhone and shippe off to China for a huge mark up, you only have until the end of November.
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Old Nov 9, 2012, 11:50 AM   #9
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Or the title should read "iphone 5 Staying in China in Late November or Early December"
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Old Nov 9, 2012, 11:52 AM   #10
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The iPhone is already in China lol...
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Old Nov 10, 2012, 01:42 AM   #12
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How much does the average Chinese worker/citizen make? Are the phones being sold in China subsidized somehow? I mean, here in the US, I am of middle income and so far my family has been unable to purchase iPhones mainly because of the annual costs associated with the cellular plans. If it is somewhat out of reach for me, how can a Chinese citizen afford it? (Of course I wonder the same thing about all the unemployed 20-somethings I encounter on a daily basis...)
Something I also often wonder about, but keep in mind that people all over the world, not just in China, will sacrifice in other areas, to purchase products that appeal to them or give them instant status, and APPLE products are no exception to that rule.

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Just for the record, I can think of exactly one successful consumer product of any sort ever created in a communist country - the game Tetris. Apart from that, what has a communist country ever made that anyone in the west actually wanted to buy? Remember the Yugo? There are, what, a billion and a half Chinese citizens - they outnumber us 6 to 1. Shouldn't there have been 6 Chinese equivalents to Steve Jobs by now? Or is there something inherent about socialism that quashes innovation by denying innovators the fruits of their labor? I personally am not at all surprised either that the Chinese excel at turning their people into robots to build iPhones or that the Chinese have never made a product that people have truly wanted the same way the people of the world cannot wait for the next iOS device. Let me just reiterate - this is not a racist statement. All you need to do is compare the relative prosperity of Taiwan to the mainland - there's a clear difference.
But, they are catching up, make no mistake about that. With 1.37 Billion people, they have a huge talent pool, and even though they may have originally copied western tech, they are now beginning to develop their own technology, and innovation will no doubt be next. If you have any doubts about that, just look at companies like HUAWEI, currently the world's largest provider of telecommunications equipment, dwarfing the likes of ERICSSON and CISCO. Their worlwide 2011 investment in R&D was US$3.74 Billion.
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Old Nov 10, 2012, 02:52 AM   #13
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China has such a huge population that even at 10% middle class you are talking about 130 million people, not too far off half the population of the USA. This number grows each year. Not everyone in China is poor and working in rice paddies or at Foxconn.

I have an American friend who is a teacher, she spent 6 years at College and was only earning 30k a year in America that is less than minimum wage in Australia, I could work at McDonalds and earn more than that here. It is all relative to where you come from. I don't know anyone here without a smart phone. You can get the iPhone 5 here fully subsidized on a 2 year contract from about $60 a month, just cause the phone is worth 1k doesn't mean people actually pay that upfront.
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Old Nov 10, 2012, 11:30 PM   #14
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But if you factor in purchasing power parity, Australia goes down in ranking. To expand:

World bank rankings on wiki - GDP nominal per capita ranking: Australia 5th at $66k. US 15th at $48k.
World bank - GDP per capita PPP: US 8th at $48k, Australia 16th at $39k.

BTW, I have lived in both Australia and now the US. Australia is one of the most expensive countries and to top it off heavily taxed. Additionally, the Aussie dollar is at an all time high. Once the construction in China stops (like it did in Japan), Australian balloon will inflate rapidly.


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China has such a huge population that even at 10% middle class you are talking about 130 million people, not too far off half the population of the USA. This number grows each year. Not everyone in China is poor and working in rice paddies or at Foxconn.

I have an American friend who is a teacher, she spent 6 years at College and was only earning 30k a year in America that is less than minimum wage in Australia, I could work at McDonalds and earn more than that here. It is all relative to where you come from. I don't know anyone here without a smart phone. You can get the iPhone 5 here fully subsidized on a 2 year contract from about $60 a month, just cause the phone is worth 1k doesn't mean people actually pay that upfront.
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But, they are catching up, make no mistake about that. With 1.37 Billion people, they have a huge talent pool, and even though they may have originally copied western tech, they are now beginning to develop their own technology, and innovation will no doubt be next. If you have any doubts about that, just look at companies like HUAWEI, currently the world's largest provider of telecommunications equipment, dwarfing the likes of ERICSSON and CISCO. Their worlwide 2011 investment in R&D was US$3.74 Billion.
The problem is, they still are copying. Name me an indigenous design that was not completely derivative or stolen from a foreign design. I cannot think of any. The CPC's strategy of "innovation" relies heavily on IP theft followed by domestic lockout once they figure out how it works, which is why many foreign businesses are wary of investing in the country. I mean, seriously...the rolling stock for High Speed Railway system in development was entirely derivative of the Siemens Velaro and Hitachi's Shinkansen trains; their cars are ripping off minor Euro models; and who could forget the Meizu M8?

This is not to say that unique innovation is impossible among the Chinese. Hardly. But the CPC's economic strategy of playing catch-up by theft is not only acknowledged, but the primary strategy. And given how rankled with corruption the CPC is (I mean, seriously...we may have serious corruption issues, but we don't let business execs sit in the Congressional chambers next to legislators on a regular basis), and how the emphasis is to catch up with the West without acknowledging that, in fact, is what they're doing, I doubt that is likely to change. You cannot innovate stealing from others.

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The problem is, they still are copying. Name me an indigenous design that was not completely derivative or stolen from a foreign design. I cannot think of any. The CPC's strategy of "innovation" relies heavily on IP theft followed by domestic lockout once they figure out how it works, which is why many foreign businesses are wary of investing in the country. I mean, seriously...the rolling stock for High Speed Railway system in development was entirely derivative of the Siemens Velaro and Hitachi's Shinkansen trains; their cars are ripping off minor Euro models; and who could forget the Meizu M8?

This is not to say that unique innovation is impossible among the Chinese. Hardly. But the CPC's economic strategy of playing catch-up by theft is not only acknowledged, but the primary strategy. And given how rankled with corruption the CPC is (I mean, seriously...we may have serious corruption issues, but we don't let business execs sit in the Congressional chambers next to legislators on a regular basis), and how the emphasis is to catch up with the West without acknowledging that, in fact, is what they're doing, I doubt that is likely to change. You cannot innovate stealing from others.
They have undoubtedly caught up by means of IP theft. NO argument there. And you make a lot of good points about corruption and their 'closed' society, and unfortunately, barring a revolution, those things aren't going to change anytime soon. But the sad reality is, that dishonestly or not, they ARE catching up to us, or in some areas already HAVE caught up to us, and my post was more directed towards the future, from here on out.
I think we both agree that the iron-fisted rule of the CPC, and their economic policies, is a large part of the problem.

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Old Nov 9, 2012, 10:35 AM   #17
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Fine, but ...

This is all good and fine for our Chinese friends, but ..

I still can't get an iPhone 5 in Portugal (ZERO stock in shops) and still have 3-4 weeks availability in online store (which can mean, you just don't know, more than a month).

A quick browsing on european online stores and the situation appears the same (spain, france, germany, etc.)

Just to clarify that, last month in Dubai, a place where the iPhone 5 isn't yet released, you can find boxes and boxes of them in the electronics dealers.

Apple: why u no like us europeans?
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This is all good and fine for our Chinese friends, but ..

I still can't get an iPhone 5 in Portugal (ZERO stock in shops) and still have 3-4 weeks availability in online store (which can mean, you just don't know, more than a month).

A quick browsing on european online stores and the situation appears the same (spain, france, germany, etc.)

Just to clarify that, last month in Dubai, a place where the iPhone 5 isn't yet released, you can find boxes and boxes of them in the electronics dealers.

Apple: why u no like us europeans?
The situation is the same in the US. You can try and reserve a phone from the stores next day shipment the night before, but there is no guarantee. Two+ months after introduction and you still can't just walk in...that is stupid.
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The situation is the same in the US. You can try and reserve a phone from the stores next day shipment the night before, but there is no guarantee. Two+ months after introduction and you still can't just walk in...that is stupid.
I'll say ... ridiculous even?

And then people complain about Galaxy SIII and NoteII surpassing iPhone 4-4S sales ... just to point out that electronic dealers in Portugal have stocks and stocks of SIII (ok, not a fair comparison, since it's not recent enough) and NoteII (a more fair comparison, since it's recent enough).
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Wonder when they'll be on sale here in Taiwan?

I went to Hong Kong last weekend and saw my first two iPhone 5's in person at the airport.

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how about just produce enough in the USA first before releasing to more countries.
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how about just produce enough in the USA first before releasing to more countries.
enough "FOR" the USA. They are made in China already.
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how about just produce enough in the USA first before releasing to more countries.
I'd be surprised if Apple didn't balance things based on profitability. They have a huge opportunity divert stocking levels based upon exchange rates.
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how about just produce enough in the USA first before releasing to more countries.
That would just make more for Resellers to ship back overseas.

Apple ought to release all new products in the Far East first & swamp those markets hard & put an end to this reselling mess. It's a waste of everyone's time & resources for Apple to ship to the USA, then have resellers ship right back to the Far East.

We went Sunday morning to get an iPad 4 hearing on these forums Apple stores had plenty in stock. The store policy had all iPad/iPhone buyers in the same line, & we were denied entry & herded to the back of a long line. Even the Chinese reseller in front of us (who was back in line for his second iPhone 5 that morning) said that was dumb.

I was about to say screw it & give up, but after 10 minutes Apple declared they 'just sold out' of all iPhones except Sprint, & we went from #25 to #2 in line after the Resellers took off.
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I'll say ... ridiculous even?

And then people complain about Galaxy SIII and NoteII surpassing iPhone 4-4S sales ... just to point out that electronic dealers in Portugal have stocks and stocks of SIII (ok, not a fair comparison, since it's not recent enough) and NoteII (a more fair comparison, since it's recent enough).

It is sad to see how people claim that Tim cook is some sort of supply chain guru. Apple has consistently lost volume due to an inability to execute properly at the most advantageous time for a new product: when it is actually, like, still new?
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