Babes and Studs wallpaper threads

ELMNT925 · 02:23 PM

The point of saying that none of the images in these threads currently violates guidelines is one thing, but saying the ratio of skin to cloth is another. It's either they are violating, or not, NO IN BETWEEN, no gray area.

When you mention skin to cloth, its more a matter of taste, what one person decides is an acceptable level of modesty or even risqué. If it was really an issue, why not just remove the images in question and leave be?

If it's a minor thing i.e. being under 18, it's marked NSFW for a reason. While I agree full nudity, breasts exposed, genitals, is inappropriate for this site, having threads suffer due to ones subjective tastes is ridiculous. There are more revealing things in print media and television than this. And im so sure kids will frequent this MR site for these images. Google searches are far more scandalous than these 2 threads. Parents should monitor what their kid are doing if that's the issue at hand here.

Just my 2 cents since one of the threads is mine.

annk · Nov 14, 2012, 02:48 PM

For those who don't understand what this thread is about - see here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ELMNT925

When you mention skin to cloth, its more a matter of taste, what one person decides is an acceptable level of modesty or even risqué. If it was really an issue, why not just remove the images in question and leave be?

We could have removed the images. And we may end up changing the policy of what's allowed. But since it is to some extent a matter of taste, we decided in favor of giving members a chance to self-moderate a bit. We'll see how it goes.

MEJHarrison · Nov 14, 2012, 05:51 PM

If you guys want "better" images, I'm cool with that. It's your site.

I think where I have a problem is that it seems like we're hearing that no rules are being broken, but people are posting things they shouldn't be. That's rather confusing (and I do understand the difficulty you face in trying to define things). Posts should be against the rules or not. Not stuck in some undefined no-man's land where you're maybe, kinda-sorta, perhaps close to the line on one side or the other.

The thread in question is only 3 pages long currently. Back in the days of the massive threads, there was very little babe / nsfw activity. Now that there's a dedicated area, I think a few people are going a little nuts. In fact, looking at the thread, it seems that it's primarily just two users doing most of the posts in question. And it's only in the iPhone 5 thread. I'm not seeing corresponding threads for any other iDevice. So I wonder if this is a problem that needs to be solved, or if it will sort itself out over time? Or maybe we just have a couple of users who need to slow down a little?

Finally, have there been complaints? I just scanned the thread and didn't see any. Although they could obviously be coming in through alternate channels. I guess I'm curious to know what is prompting this.

It seems to me that either the rules for posting need updated, or people need to chill and realize that it's Babes and NSFW. I don't care which. I'm capable of making whatever wallpapers I want. I'd just hate to see the entire thread die off and go away because of some silly confusion.

GGJstudios · Nov 14, 2012, 06:30 PM

My personal opinion is that threads like these don't belong on MR. That's not what this site is about. There are plenty of sites on the web for such images for those who want them, without having to post them here. I imagine it can lead to moderation headaches, trying to define the "line" which shouldn't be crossed, while dealing with those who will test the boundaries, no matter where they may be set. I think the allowance of anything that could be considered NSFW is a mistake that can lead to a degradation of the quality and purpose of this forum. The "Post your Desktop" threads have been mostly handled well, with only occasional images that push the limits. However, the two threads in question seem to be focused more on seeing how far the limits can be pushed.

Qcksilver · Nov 14, 2012, 09:05 PM

I apologize if any of my wallpapers I've created offended anyone, moderator or not. This was not my intention. As no rules seem to be broken by the wallpapers currently on this thread I'm a little confused by the recent discussion, as others are. Either way, my bad.

ELMNT925 · Nov 15, 2012, 12:11 AM

I guess just erase them both and we will leave the wallpaper threads to ponies, patterns, Teletubbies and spongebob.

SilentPanda · 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Qcksilver

I apologize if any of my wallpapers I've created offended anyone, moderator or not. This was not my intention. As no rules seem to be broken by the wallpapers currently on this thread I'm a little confused by the recent discussion, as others are. Either way, my bad.

I don't think your wallpapers offended anybody necessarily. On a personal level, myself and probably all of the mods don't care and aren't bothered by skin. It's more "what's right for the site".

I wouldn't worry about getting banned over posting images of the type you are posting. All we are striving for is that if we could somehow graph the amount of cloth to skin, we'd be a bit higher overall on the cloth side. There's just no good way to define that. It's pretty easy to say "no visible nipples or genitalia". It's difficult to define it much past that. We can't go around measure skirt to knee length and ensure only the top button is unbuttoned. If somebody can suggest a better defined ruleset, feel free to suggest one. We're totally game listening in on that.

So instead the slow change option is to just let people know, "We're okay with what you've posted so far, but we'd very much encourage the thread to not become just a soft porn thread." If all you want to do in that thread is post pictures of women that are the first few pictures of a porn image set, the thread probably isn't for you. Our hope is that the overall average goes up for cloth.

You won't get banned for posting images like you and others have posted. We would contact you via private message a few times first at minimum before we went anywhere near there. We just encourage you to branch out more in your image selections, otherwise we may need to revisit the allowance of the NSFW threads. It'd be really easy to say "No pictures of people at all unless they have mom jeans and a parka on." Instead we're trying to let you fix it yourselves first.

I personally don't have an iPhone 5 and on my iPhone 4S I still have the default wallpaper.

I only participated in the threads in order to encourage the change earlier. Speaking of which... I need to unleash a few more from the stockpile I created....

Comeagain? · Nov 14, 2012, 08:43 PM

Don't forget that any post that you find overly offensive you can report, so it can be dealt with accordingly. At that point the mods and admins can take appropriate action.

wordoflife · Dec 16, 2012, 12:48 PM

I'm not interested in the NSFW pics, so I don't really care, but I agree that there is no in-between.

Either there is a violation, or there isn't.

Kissaragi · Dec 16, 2012, 04:52 PM

Amazing that people get worked up about this stuff.

Its one thread in thousands. If you don't like it, don't look.

mankar4 · Dec 16, 2012, 05:25 PM

I'm for removing/banning these threads.

balamw · Dec 16, 2012, 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wordoflife

I'm not interested in the NSFW pics, so I don't really care, but I agree that there is no in-between.

Either there is a violation, or there isn't.

MOD NOTE: We set the rules and the bar for MR only, not your workplace, which might have more stringent rules.

i.e. NSFW means OK for MR, but could be questionable in your workplace. Use caution.

B

Nov 14, 2012, 01:52 PM	#1
ELMNT925 macrumors 6502 Join Date: Dec 2011	Babes and Studs wallpaper threads The point of saying that none of the images in these threads currently violates guidelines is one thing, but saying the ratio of skin to cloth is another. It's either they are violating, or not, NO IN BETWEEN, no gray area. When you mention skin to cloth, its more a matter of taste, what one person decides is an acceptable level of modesty or even risqué. If it was really an issue, why not just remove the images in question and leave be? If it's a minor thing i.e. being under 18, it's marked NSFW for a reason. While I agree full nudity, breasts exposed, genitals, is inappropriate for this site, having threads suffer due to ones subjective tastes is ridiculous. There are more revealing things in print media and television than this. And im so sure kids will frequent this MR site for these images. Google searches are far more scandalous than these 2 threads. Parents should monitor what their kid are doing if that's the issue at hand here. Just my 2 cents since one of the threads is mine. Last edited by dejo; Nov 14, 2012 at 02:23 PM. Reason: Discussing specific moderation.
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Qcksilver macrumors member Join Date: Nov 2012	I apologize if any of my wallpapers I've created offended anyone, moderator or not. This was not my intention. As no rules seem to be broken by the wallpapers currently on this thread I'm a little confused by the recent discussion, as others are. Either way, my bad. __________________ 27" iMac 64GB iPad 1 64GB iPhone 4 64GB iPhone 5
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wordoflife macrumors 604 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Republic City, URN.	I'm not interested in the NSFW pics, so I don't really care, but I agree that there is no in-between. Either there is a violation, or there isn't. __________________ "When we hit our lowest point, we are open to the greatest change."
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Nov 14, 2012, 05:51 PM	#3
MEJHarrison macrumors 6502 Join Date: Feb 2009	If you guys want "better" images, I'm cool with that. It's your site. I think where I have a problem is that it seems like we're hearing that no rules are being broken, but people are posting things they shouldn't be. That's rather confusing (and I do understand the difficulty you face in trying to define things). Posts should be against the rules or not. Not stuck in some undefined no-man's land where you're maybe, kinda-sorta, perhaps close to the line on one side or the other. The thread in question is only 3 pages long currently. Back in the days of the massive threads, there was very little babe / nsfw activity. Now that there's a dedicated area, I think a few people are going a little nuts. In fact, looking at the thread, it seems that it's primarily just two users doing most of the posts in question. And it's only in the iPhone 5 thread. I'm not seeing corresponding threads for any other iDevice. So I wonder if this is a problem that needs to be solved, or if it will sort itself out over time? Or maybe we just have a couple of users who need to slow down a little? Finally, have there been complaints? I just scanned the thread and didn't see any. Although they could obviously be coming in through alternate channels. I guess I'm curious to know what is prompting this. It seems to me that either the rules for posting need updated, or people need to chill and realize that it's Babes and NSFW. I don't care which. I'm capable of making whatever wallpapers I want. I'd just hate to see the entire thread die off and go away because of some silly confusion.
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Nov 14, 2012, 06:30 PM	#4
GGJstudios macrumors Westmere Join Date: May 2008	My personal opinion is that threads like these don't belong on MR. That's not what this site is about. There are plenty of sites on the web for such images for those who want them, without having to post them here. I imagine it can lead to moderation headaches, trying to define the "line" which shouldn't be crossed, while dealing with those who will test the boundaries, no matter where they may be set. I think the allowance of anything that could be considered NSFW is a mistake that can lead to a degradation of the quality and purpose of this forum. The "Post your Desktop" threads have been mostly handled well, with only occasional images that push the limits. However, the two threads in question seem to be focused more on seeing how far the limits can be pushed.
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Nov 15, 2012, 12:11 AM	#6
ELMNT925 Thread Starter macrumors 6502 Join Date: Dec 2011	I guess just erase them both and we will leave the wallpaper threads to ponies, patterns, Teletubbies and spongebob.
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Nov 14, 2012, 08:43 PM	#8
Comeagain? macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Spokane, WA	Don't forget that any post that you find overly offensive you can report, so it can be dealt with accordingly. At that point the mods and admins can take appropriate action.
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Dec 16, 2012, 04:52 PM	#10
Kissaragi macrumors 65816 Join Date: Nov 2006	Amazing that people get worked up about this stuff. Its one thread in thousands. If you don't like it, don't look.
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Dec 16, 2012, 05:25 PM	#11
mankar4 macrumors 6502a Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: USA	I'm for removing/banning these threads.
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