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Old Nov 15, 2012, 11:21 AM   #1
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which is the best film editing software

Is it final cut pro or any adobe software or any I dont know already.


Any advice would be great. It is for a film studies course.
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 11:22 AM   #2
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Depending on what you have to do, iMovie might be sufficient. Have you asked your teacher what they recommend for the course?
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Depending on what you have to do, iMovie might be sufficient. Have you asked your teacher what they recommend for the course?
I want the software to be scalable and to learn professional techniques so iMovie is too basic for my needs.
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 11:34 AM   #4
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In that case it probably comes down to personal preference like "What's the best web browser". You might look at the field you'd like to get into in the future and see what they are using primarily. But odds are if you learn one and understand the terminology, not just where the buttons are, transitioning between the two (final cut or premiere) shouldn't be a huge deal.
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I want the software to be scalable and to learn professional techniques so iMovie is too basic for my needs.
Final Cut Pro or Adobe Premiere.
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Final Cut Pro or Adobe Premiere.

which is best?
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 01:24 PM   #7
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Final Cut Pro 7 is still industry standard, but a lot of people are switching over to Premiere Pro now that Apple isn't supporting Final Cut 7 anymore.

A lot of film and TV is cut on AVID too.
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Old Nov 16, 2012, 12:38 PM   #8
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which is best?
THis is a typical beginner question. The answer is: There is no "best". Theire is only a "best match to your needs".

Is one was clearly better and everyone agreed it was best then the others would go out of business quickly. But as it turns out different people have different needs and taste and opinions.

The #2 most common beginner mistake is to equate learning some software with learning the task. For example they might think that learning Photoshop is the same as learning to be a graphic designer. Or that learning to how to work the controls on a dSLR camera will make you a photographer. Or that learning how to use video eding software makes you a video editor.

This is the same as thinking that if you could only learn to use a word processor you could write a novel.

So, bottom line here is to pick somthing to get you started that has enough features to support the kind of editing tasks you are learning. Likely you need to learn about the very basics of how to cut together the various kinds of shots, subjective, subjective establishing and whatever and about timing and flow and continuity and so one. Almost any editing software can do this.

There is a good reason to start with something "way simple". This is because you want to spend your limited time learning EDITING and not learning some software system. Learning both at once is to much. So start with something simple and easy and then if you find it limiting move up. People here are pretty much biased to Apple products. Start with iMovie then if and when you find it is limiting your creative vision move on to FCP.

When I was younger in high school we did pretty good work with a razor blade and glue. Seriously you don't need fancier tools then that. OK beter tool reduce the time you have to spend and reduce the cost but ALL you need are simple tools.

The BEST match to your needs is the software you can gets started with and come up to speed with the quickest. You don't need to spend weeks learning compllex software when you need to be learning how to make cuts.

Avoid the typical beginner mistakes.
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 02:30 PM   #9
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Is it final cut pro or any adobe software or any I dont know already.


Any advice would be great. It is for a film studies course.
There is no right answer. You will have to look at all the players in your budget and see which one works best for you and fits in with your workflow.

FWIW I really like FCP X, I've been editing for 25 yrs on tape based and various NLE's but somehow I got the FCP X way of working quite quickly. Other's hate it - fair does. And it can't do everything but it works for the stuff I cut (Broadcast and corporates).

I know there's are trial versions available for download of FCP X and Premier , I think Avid has one as well. Download them and give them a go. It's the only way you will find out.

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Apple completely rebuilt Final Cut Pro with the release of FCP X and no longer support FCP 7. The majority of video professionals aren't happy with the change and are jumping ship to something else like Premiere Pro.
As of 10.0.6 that tide seems to be changing, albeit slowly. .6 address a number of issues that some people had and as a result quite a few people are quietly changing their opinion of FCP X.

A lot of people are letting their judgment of X be clouded by the way Apple introduced it. Instead of bringing out X and keep 7 on the shelves, overnight 7 came off sale. That meant big facilities couldn't easily add seats or upgrade older seats to 7. It's a justifiable feeling but it's time to get over it.
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 06:38 PM   #10
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Avid has some very good deals for students. I think you can get Media Composer 6 for under $300.

They have a 30 day trial offer, like the others
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 08:35 PM   #11
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FCP 7 is still more then capable. I just finished editing 2, hour and a half broadcast shows..all in a days/week work
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 09:08 PM   #12
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Which is best:

bmw or mercedes
Red or white
Blonde or brunette
Steak or Fish
Soccer or American Football
....

Well other than the last one you get the point (soccer/Futball obviously better...)

I've used both in a limited capacity and like Premiere pro a lot better for editing, but like FCP better for logging and archiving. It's preference and if you're going to be a professional you should learn the system you're likely to use based on where you want to work.
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Old Nov 15, 2012, 09:28 PM   #13
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Which is best:

bmw or mercedes
Red or white
Blonde or brunette
Steak or Fish
Soccer or American Football
....

Well other than the last one you get the point (soccer/Futball obviously better...)

I've used both in a limited capacity and like Premiere pro a lot better for editing, but like FCP better for logging and archiving. It's preference and if you're going to be a professional you should learn the system you're likely to use based on where you want to work.

Well I will be eventually be teaching the skills to the students in my class.
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Old Nov 16, 2012, 08:24 PM   #14
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[QUOTE=pprior;16305972]Which is best:

bmw or mercedes
Red or white
Blonde or brunette
Steak or Fish
Soccer or American Football
....

BMW
Red
Blonde
Steak
Football
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Old Nov 16, 2012, 12:57 AM   #15
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It's a private school so it's not dictated by a district. Why is X such a joke. I'm getting a lot of opinions without substance

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Old Nov 16, 2012, 04:06 AM   #16
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Substance comes with length... so...

I've edited with a lot of different programs, including FCPX, FCP7 and Premiere. I could probably do anything I want with any of these programs. Yet, I am not a good editor because I lack the routine (and maybe talent). This is meant to clearly say: Don't worry too much about which NLE you work with. If you are good in one, you will be able to transfer within two days and get to the same speed within two weeks.

All this being said, here is some background:

FCP7 and Premiere are conceptually very much alike. But FCP7 is old. Meaning it can not use all of your memory and it has not been developed further for some years. I would not recommend to get FCP7, then rather pick Premiere and the transition will be very easy if you ever have to work with FCP7 on a project.

FCPX is a little different than most other NLEs. The concept of the magnetic timeline is not present in any other NLE (well, in iMovie I think it is) and they basically got rid of the very established concept of tracks. There are three things that really pissed off the FCP community at release time:

- First, they had to change their editing style in some points because of the magnetic timeline concept. This was not a huge deal, but if you are working on a deadline and a program is just a tool for you that has to work, learning something new takes up time you don't have. By now, many editors who made the switch admit that for music videos, commercials and short films (and even some larger projects), they actually gained in speed with Apple's new editing concept.

- Second, some major features were missing. That includes usable export to third-party visual effects or audio software, multicam-support, working with tapes or broadcast, and many more. This was a huge deal. Apple is working very hard on getting some of the angry editors satisfied and has since released 6 updates within 15 months and fixed many of the issues. While some are still not perfect or solved with third-party plugins, there is definitely a lot going on and the main problems have been tackled.

- Third, and this would maybe have gotten me off Final Cut if I were a professional editor, you weren't able to open old FCP7 projects in FCPX. Now that is a no-go. They fixed this pretty quickly (via third-party), but it cost them a lot of clients.

Anyone who used FCP7 was pretty emotional about FCPX and many have stayed that way since the release. It is very hard to get an objective opinion on the internet about this, and I don't think I can deliver a perfect one. But hey, you asked for opinions ("best...") so that's what you getting.

So, forget FCP7, the choice is between Premiere and FCPX. Major selling points of FCPX would be the speed you can work with and the pricetag (it's not as huge a difference for students, I know, but it still is a difference). Major selling points for Premiere are that it's more consistent with conservative editing techniques (that's probably not that important for you) and its amazing connection to After Effects for visual effects.

If you are planning to do a lot of effects heavy work and have the money, go with Adobe's Production Premium Suite, including After Effects. If you would rather do lots of music videos, documentaries and interviews, and short films that have to be edited quickly, I would recommend FCPX. You can do either of those things with the other program, it's just not what their strengths are in my opinion.

To sum up: If anyone tells you "Premiere is the only way, FCPX sucks", it's probably because they are used to the established editing technique or were disappointed by the first version. If anyone tells you "FCPX is great and all other editing programs will be like it in the future", they may be an Apple fanboy or have never even tried Premiere. This is obviously exaggerrated, please don't pick up on it and start any flamewars... Both programs will suit your purposes perfectly fine. And even the factor "what are the other students/professors at my school using" is probably more important than any of the arguments you will hear in this thread, because those are the people you will work with and can ask questions directly.

Oh, yes, I wanted to mention Avid Media Composer: Conceptually, this is very close to Premiere. It is priced moderately (for students) and still often used in professional environment for two reasons. First, it bridges nicely to Avid Pro Tools, which many professional audio mixers use. And second, it has been very reliable over the past years. Final Cut was, too, but has now made a big change with FCPX, and Premiere was not that commonly used amongst professional editors in the past. Although many are now making the jump. I am getting the impression that while it is still around (like FCP7), Avid Media Composer is fading out slowly. Well, at least that's what I heard. I'm not a professional and while I've worked with Avid software (Sibelius and Pro Tools), I have not tried out the Media Composer yet.

Good luck and have fun editing.
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two reasons. First, it bridges nicely to Avid Pro Tools, which many professional audio mixers use. And second, it has been very reliable over the past years. Final Cut was, too, but has now made a big change with FCPX, and Premiere was not that commonly used amongst professional editors in the past. Although many are now making the jump. I am getting the impression that while it is still around (like FCP7), Avid Media Composer is fading out slowly. Well, at least that's what I heard. I'm not a professional and while I've worked with Avid software (Sibelius and Pro Tools), I have not tried out the Media Composer yet.
In broadcast and features, Avid still has edge, closely followed by FCP 7. MC isn't dying out - however Avid as a company are in big trouble. Avid is still a lot of editors favourite software because that's what they know, and it also has some tools that FCP and Pr don't. Its also the only edit software that can work properly in a shared environment - meaning if you want 20 editors to work from the same pool of footage at the same time you can.

Also Avid is a lot more than just MC, there's DS, Newscutter etc.
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In broadcast and features, Avid still has edge, closely followed by FCP 7. MC isn't dying out - however Avid as a company are in big trouble. Avid is still a lot of editors favourite software because that's what they know, and it also has some tools that FCP and Pr don't. Its also the only edit software that can work properly in a shared environment - meaning if you want 20 editors to work from the same pool of footage at the same time you can.

Also Avid is a lot more than just MC, there's DS, Newscutter etc.
Thanks for the additional information. There are not many mentionings of Avid in these forums, so it's good to have someone here who actually knows it a little.

I want to add though (as I did for FCP7) that "because that's what they know" is a very bad argument for a software to someone who's just starting out and wants to learn one software. He was asking for "the best" (which spawned all the idealistic opinions, I know), not the most commonly used.

I might give MC a try some time, it's actually affordable for students (250 euros).
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Avid is the "industry standard" now that FCP7 dropped off the map. It's pretty horrible, though. Premiere might be more fun and it's used a lot, too. FCP7 is my favorite, but worthless to learn.

Editing is simple... placing cuts in sound and image. High end features (except compatibility with formats you need) generally mean nothing; just pick something popular and compatible that you like.
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