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Old Nov 18, 2012, 03:36 PM   #1
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Water cooling for Mac Pro

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Is it possible to install a watercoolig setup for my single-CPU and two GPUs in my Mac Pro? There would be more than enough space. I'm not sure if the system would boot if the original heatsink is removed.

I think about upgrading Mac Pro, or getting a hackintosh:

Mac Pro possibility:
Keeping the RAM and all my HDDs and all that stuff
Upgrading to a W3680
Installing two GTX 680 (for SLI in Windows, I know that it doesen't work on the Mac side)
Velocity Solo X2 with two SSDs

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also two GTX 680s
Self-build case

The thing is that the hackintosh would cost twice as much, and the main difference would be the X79 chipset. I actually wouldn't need it that often, I wouldn't care if my rendering speeds are a bit slower. I need a graphic design/gaming rig, that needs to be stable and reliable. And siltent, it has to be super-silent.

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Old Nov 18, 2012, 04:03 PM   #2
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Honestly man I would just build the hack..cases with space for rads are dime a dozen. The only thing to remember about 2011 hacks is there is no speed step or sleep.

If you don;t require 6 cores then I would be more inclined to build and 1155 or an upcoming 1150 hack.

A 120mm rad ould most likely fit the in the front at you could use it for the SLI and an 80mm in the rear fan area for the CPU but still there are cases designed for this.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 04:55 PM   #3
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Honestly man I would just build the hack..cases with space for rads are dime a dozen. The only thing to remember about 2011 hacks is there is no speed step or sleep.

If you don;t require 6 cores then I would be more inclined to build and 1155 or an upcoming 1150 hack.

A 120mm rad ould most likely fit the in the front at you could use it for the SLI and an 80mm in the rear fan area for the CPU but still there are cases designed for this.
Thanks.
I was just measuring inside the casem and with some cutting, dremeling and improvising a 240mm rad should fit. But then, getting a XS reservoir, improvising something to hold the pump, fitting a 5.25 PSU is a whole lot to do. And it's getting really stuffed, meaning poor airflow for the rest.

On the other hand, if I was going to build a hack, I'd definately build myself a desk-computer like this thing here, which is even more work. But pretty damn cool.

The Mac Pro case is by far the most beautiful classic case I've ever seen. I'm not sure whether I would want a crappy plastic PC case. And this is why the hack is twice as expensive, all the parts for a watercooled desk-pc are unbelievable expensive. They cost about the same as the rest of the hardware.
Tell me I'm crazy, but I somehow don't want a regular, crappy, plastic PC case.

the 3770k isn't able to overclock as good as the 3930k does. That's why I'm going X79. I don't need sleep or speed step.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 05:00 PM   #4
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Not are PC cases are crappy and plastic..

If you want silent water is the way and if water is the way pc cases are the way.

Before you build the monster I had my 2700k Geekbenching and 18K with 16GB of 1866 RAM. Real water I would have gotten me almost 20K.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 05:09 PM   #5
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Not are PC cases are crappy and plastic...

If you want silent water is the way and if water is the way pc cases are the way.

Before you build the monster I had my 2700k Geekbenching and 18K with 16GB of 1866 RAM. Real water I would have gotten me almost 20K.
Name me some that are similar quality as the MP case?


A 2700k is still Sandy Bridge, a 3770k is Ivy -> whole new architecture -> whole new OCing performance.
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Old Nov 18, 2012, 05:13 PM   #6
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Name me some that are similar quality as the MP case?


A 2700k is still Sandy Bridge, a 3770k is Ivy -> whole new architecture -> whole new OCing performance.
Right and it doesn't OC as well. Very few equal the the MP but there are quite a few that are not plastic. Lian Li and Silverstone are my favorites and what I recommend to the folks I build for.
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 08:30 AM   #7
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Name me some that are similar quality as the MP case?


A 2700k is still Sandy Bridge, a 3770k is Ivy -> whole new architecture -> whole new OCing performance.

Thermaltake TaiChi Case - 20kg of pure Aluminium ! :-)
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 12:36 PM   #8
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Honestly man I would just build the hack..cases with space for rads are dime a dozen. The only thing to remember about 2011 hacks is there is no speed step or sleep.
Thats disappointing. OS X doesn't downclock the chips at all even on official Mac's?

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On the other hand, if I was going to build a hack, I'd definately build myself a desk-computer like this thing here, which is even more work. But pretty damn cool.
The coin nearly made me jump out of my shirt.

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The Mac Pro case is by far the most beautiful classic case I've ever seen. I'm not sure whether I would want a crappy plastic PC case. And this is why the hack is twice as expensive, all the parts for a watercooled desk-pc are unbelievable expensive. They cost about the same as the rest of the hardware.
Tell me I'm crazy, but I somehow don't want a regular, crappy, plastic PC case.
Why not go Lian Li?
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 01:12 PM   #9
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Thats disappointing. OS X doesn't downclock the chips at all even on official Mac's?
LGA20111 aren't used in official Macs, that's why they don't have Poer Management -> No speedstep/sleep

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I don't quite like the Lian Li cases. They look pretty cheap, although I know they are solid.
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LGA20111 aren't used in official Macs, that's why they don't have Poer Management -> No speedstep/sleep
Ah, I see. But works fine on z77?



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Positive or negative?
Positive because it was that bloomin quiet then the next you hear this loud coin rattling on the glass.



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I don't quite like the Lian Li cases. They look pretty cheap, although I know they are solid.
You'll be hard pushed then, as it only leaves you with some Corsair's.


Watercooled Mini Mac pro though. http://www.cooledpc.com/build/224
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 01:19 AM   #11
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I acutally could just leave out the watercooling and stuff my Mac Pro, but at the moment, I have one GTX 570 installed, and while gaming it it gets almost 90 degree celsius, which I think is pretty loud. Then take two of those cards directly ontop of each other. There would't be much airflow left.
Secondly, even at idle, the fan of the GTX 570 is by far the loudest thing in the machine, the rest is pretty much quiet. That's why I wanted to go watercooling.
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I acutally could just leave out the watercooling and stuff my Mac Pro, but at the moment, I have one GTX 570 installed, and while gaming it it gets almost 90 degree celsius, which I think is pretty loud. Then take two of those cards directly ontop of each other. There would't be much airflow left.
Secondly, even at idle, the fan of the GTX 570 is by far the loudest thing in the machine, the rest is pretty much quiet. That's why I wanted to go watercooling.
My 560 was too, so I pulled the cooler and put a twin turbo two on it. The issue is it's now a 2.5 slot card but it runs much cooler and is inaudible.
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Just to echo others in this thread, Lian Li makes decent cases. Some of them are setup for water cooling specifically, so you don't have to mod it as much.

Zalman used to sell a kickass case called the GT-1000. I think you can still get it, but Zalman seems to have discontinued it so you'll have to buy one from some place that still has them in stock. As far as quality goes, the GT-1000 is the only case I've personally owned that even remotely approached the quality of the Mac Pro. The aluminum was thick as heck and the case weighed a ton, but the build quality was stellar.

I wouldn't bother trying to mod a Mac Pro. You'll be fighting against too many things- proprietary parts everywhere that were never designed to be modded, let alone removed. The heatsinks in a modern day (2009/2010/2012) Mac Pro aren't standard LGA heatsinks- the mounting pins are totally custom and the heatsinks carry fans and thermal sensors inside them. If you don't hook that stuff back up, the system will probably refuse to boot.

A hackintosh would be easier to work with. You'll get better parts that properly support watercooling. Trying to mod a Mac Pro... Ugh. Talk about going against the grain.

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Old Nov 19, 2012, 04:54 AM   #14
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Just to echo others in this thread, Lian Li makes decent cases. Some of them are setup for water cooling specifically, so you don't have to mod it as much.

Zalman used to sell a kickass case called the GT-1000. I think you can still get it, but Zalman seems to have discontinued it so you'll have to buy one from some place that still has them in stock. As far as quality goes, the GT-1000 is the only case I've personally owned that even remotely approached the quality of the Mac Pro. The aluminum was thick as heck and the case weighed a ton, but the build quality was stellar.

I wouldn't bother trying to mod a Mac Pro. You'll be fighting against too many things- proprietary parts everywhere that were never designed to be modded, let alone removed. The heatsinks in a modern day (2009/2010/2012) Mac Pro aren't standard LGA heatsinks- the mounting pins are totally custom and the heatsinks carry fans and thermal sensors inside them. If you don't hook that stuff back up, the system will probably refuse to boot.

A hackintosh would be easier to work with. You'll get better parts that properly support watercooling. Trying to mod a Mac Pro... Ugh. Talk about going against the grain.

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Thanks for the input, I appreciate that.
I've thrown away the idea of a MP mod now, you guys are totally right...
The Zalman seems to be quite okay, but damn expensive!

@GChris: 2.5 slots would be too much, couldn't fit 2 GPUs in then.
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Thanks for the input, I appreciate that.
I've thrown away the idea of a MP mod now, you guys are totally right...
The Zalman seems to be quite okay, but damn expensive!

@GChris: 2.5 slots would be too much, couldn't fit 2 GPUs in then.
2 2.5s will fit in the hackintosh ok but your going to loose PCI slots. Water cooling is going to get expensive FAST. Figure 250 for the blocks 150 for a 240 Rad plus pump res and tubing. Give some thought to the water. The AC twin turbo is 39 so 80 in your case a D-14 or comparable is 60-80 so a 160 if you step back from the bleeding edge of overclock and it's not going to be loud.

If it were my Hack I'd use the TT2 on the graphics and a BE QUIET! Dark Rock Pro on the CPU. I'd be happy at 4.5 to 4.8 on a four core turbo and push the graphics cards to the max.

This will give you 19,000 of so GB (i7 3770) and give the pro apps more CUDA cores than they can use basically a whole bunch of fun.
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I wouldn't bother trying to mod a Mac Pro. You'll be fighting against too many things- proprietary parts everywhere that were never designed to be modded, let alone removed. The heatsinks in a modern day (2009/2010/2012) Mac Pro aren't standard LGA heatsinks- the mounting pins are totally custom and the heatsinks carry fans and thermal sensors inside them. If you don't hook that stuff back up, the system will probably refuse to boot.

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This idea just crossed my mind: Take the original heatsink, throw the cooler with the heatpipes inside out, take a regular CPU water block, make a custom plate with screw holes to fit the original holes, then take the stuff around the heatsink and place it in top, connect the temp sensors and stuff - shouldn't that work? You could use just the frame of the heatsink with the cables.

In terms of a radiator you probably will need to look for something external. I also thought about modding the sidedoor and make it a few inches wider to fit a rad in there, and then open it like a door with some flexible tubing in the corner. Hell lot of work.

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Why not just do it in sections rather all out? cpu block, pump, hoses and a radiator for the cpu. Add more to your loop at a later date.

That is sexy!

http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/sys...derbox-mk2.htm
In theory, I have the money to buy all that stuff. I'm just not sure whether I really want to spend such a hell lot of money.

I consider buying a Accelero Xtreme Plus II and just PCIe expansion fan that is completely silent, like a BeQuiet Silent Wing 2.
Can I change the fan inside the heatsink to get more airflow around the heatsink?
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My 560 was too, so I pulled the cooler and put a twin turbo two on it. The issue is it's now a 2.5 slot card but it runs much cooler and is inaudible.
So I just gave up the whole idea of watercooling and hackintoshes and all that stuff because all that costs me too much money.

Now I just want to get a GPU cooler because my GTX 570 is too loud on idle and gets too hot while gaming.
Can I put the Arctic Accelero Twin Turbo II onto the GTX 570 HD, and do I have a 4pin power connecter anywhere? (I don't have a second DVD drive but I installed a SSD in there...)

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So I just gave up the whole idea of watercooling and hackintoshes and all that stuff because all that costs me too much money.

Now I just want to get a GPU cooler because my GTX 570 is too loud on idle and gets too hot while gaming.
Can I put the Arctic Accelero Twin Turbo II onto the GTX 570 HD, and do I have a 4pin power connecter anywhere? (I don't have a second DVD drive but I installed a SSD in there...)

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There should be a 4 pin to power the current fan. If its three pin then you'll have to use the 3 pin connector that is included in the fan setup.
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There should be a 4 pin to power the current fan. If its three pin then you'll have to use the 3 pin connector that is included in the fan setup.
When I installed the GTX 570 I just plugged in two 6pins into the MoBo, nothing else.

I thought about getting a velocity Solo X2 and installed both SSDs on it, that means that I dont need the ODD plu anymore. Would that help?
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So I just gave up the whole idea of watercooling and hackintoshes and all that stuff because all that costs me too much money.
Why not just do it in sections rather all out? cpu block, pump, hoses and a radiator for the cpu. Add more to your loop at a later date.

That is sexy!

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Yeah they would fit a hackintosh but not a Mac Pro, I'd loose the second PCIe x16 slot.

The other part about watercooling is that it looks great, which is kind of important if you build a desk with glass on top.
And it would also look pretty damn cool in a MP.

If I'm going to build a hacky, I'l build such a desk-pc, and aircooling is not that smart as you have a lot of air to move for a good airflow.
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Yeah they would fit a hackintosh but not a Mac Pro, I'd loose the second PCIe x16 slot.

The other part about watercooling is that it looks great, which is kind of important if you build a desk with glass on top.
And it would also look pretty damn cool in a MP.

If I'm going to build a hacky, I'l build such a desk-pc, and aircooling is not that smart as you have a lot of air to move for a good airflow.
You spurred me on to build mine tonight. I just picked a Z77-DS3H and Corsair Vengeance C70 in OD green. I'll throw my 2700k in it along the the 560Ti 448 out of the MP. If things go well I go water because the goal now is 5.4 Ghz.
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You spurred me on to build mine tonight. I just picked a Z77-DS3H and Corsair Vengeance C70 in OD green. I'll throw my 2700k in it along the the 560Ti 448 out of the MP. If things go well I go water because the goal now is 5.4 Ghz.
If you're that much into overclocking, why didn't you choose an Asus Maximus V?
That thing is the top notch at overclocking, if i remember right it should fit your 2700k.
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If you're that much into overclocking, why didn't you choose an Asus Maximus V?
That thing is the top notch at overclocking, if i remember right it should fit your 2700k.
Harder to Hackintosh. The only time the computer will be in Windows is during the overclock process. When you veer from Gigabyte it becomes stressful in my experience. Remember for me this is hobby stuff I enjoy doing it, it's not so much needed for work.
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So here is my first playing with the 2700K and Z77 4.5 and 4.6..I'll run prime 95 while I'm at work tomorrow to make sure everything is well.
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