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Old Nov 19, 2012, 12:42 AM   #1
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All these 1080 5 inch phones coming out

Seriously.. if iphone 5s comes out next year.. I am gonna have to say see you.. I know specs is not everything but apple is just going backwards... this is why I said this year when they were going through stupid specs res change for 4 inch phone, they should have come out w/ multiple size to future proof.. this is so lame and stupid

I know we all love iphone 5 but when 5 inch w/ 1080 comes out.. seriously. it's just stupid..
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 12:50 AM   #2
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Oh yeah, 5 inch with 1080. Yes baby! I can't imagine there being anyone for whom this is not the holy grail. Just the thought of 5 inch with 1080 makes me feel all warm and tingly inside.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 12:53 AM   #3
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 12:55 AM   #4
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How is Apple going backwards?
3.5 -> 4. Seems pretty forward.
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Huh?

What's the point of 1080p with a small screen?

I use my iPhone daily and am annoyed by videos even a minute long.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 01:24 AM   #6
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What's the point of 1080p with a small screen?

I use my iPhone daily and am annoyed by videos even a minute long.
Yup, when the screen is already "higher resolution than a regular-vision person can tell," what is the point of making it even higher? It'll play 1080p video just fine, with more detail than you can tell already. (Unless you have better-than-20/20 vision and/or hold it ridiculously closer to your face.)

It's like people who insist on getting the 20" TV for their bedroom, which will sit ten feet from their face, as a 1080p TV. Right now, since there basically aren't any 720p TVs on the market any more, you might as well, but back when you actually paid a premium for it, it was dumb. If you can't see the difference between the lower resolution (720p or the iPhone's resolution,) and 1080p from the distance you normally view it, what does it matter?

And unless you're compressing your videos at rather ridiculous bitrates (2 hour movie > 6 GB,) you won't notice anyway, since you've compressed all that extra resolution out of it already. (Unless you're on a large enough screen that you actually *CAN* make out individual pixels, then every bit of increased bitrate helps.)
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 10:15 PM   #7
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What's the point of 1080p with a small screen?

I use my iPhone daily and am annoyed by videos even a minute long.
What do you expect with technology these days? Do you expect it to just stop advancing? 1080p will probably be the standard for years to come.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 03:25 PM   #8
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Yes, going from a whooping 3.5 inch screen to an awesome 4 inch screen was a very impressive move by Apple.......NOT

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3.5 -> 4. Seems pretty forward.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 02:53 PM   #9
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Oh yeah, 5 inch with 1080. Yes baby! I can't imagine there being anyone for whom this is not the holy grail. Just the thought of 5 inch with 1080 makes me feel all warm and tingly inside.
What happens when the 5.2" screen is released? And then the 5.5?" Some of you guys are such suckers for meaningless specs. "OMG, I have the biggest phone available! It MUST be the most awesomest!"

I agree with the others on 1080p - if I'm going to watch a video that is long enough to appreciate/care about 1080p, it certainly isn't going to be on my mobile phone. I'm either going to break out the tablet or stream it to my television. A phone just isn't meant for major video consumption, IMO.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 02:56 PM   #10
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I wouldnt mind a bigger screen but 4" seems to be fine now.
I wouldnt completelly switch phones or OS's just for screen size.
What good is a bigger screen if everything else about the phone sucks?
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 03:01 PM   #11
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People say apple aren't keeping up with android
People complain when apple brings out new kit

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Old Nov 19, 2012, 03:28 PM   #12
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What happens when the 5.2" screen is released? And then the 5.5?" Some of you guys are such suckers for meaningless specs. "OMG, I have the biggest phone available! It MUST be the most awesomest!"

I agree with the others on 1080p - if I'm going to watch a video that is long enough to appreciate/care about 1080p, it certainly isn't going to be on my mobile phone. I'm either going to break out the tablet or stream it to my television. A phone just isn't meant for major video consumption, IMO.
Well, I was just trying to be funny of course. I think the size of the S3 is already bordering on silly. A 5" screen on a phone is the last thing I need.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 03:34 PM   #13
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Oh yeah, 5 inch with 1080. Yes baby! I can't imagine there being anyone for whom this is not the holy grail. Just the thought of 5 inch with 1080 makes me feel all warm and tingly inside.
I honestly didn't think you could tell the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 5" screen but according to some early hands, text is considerably sharper at 1080p. My S2 LTE is only a year old right now so I'm going to have wait another year. I wonder what we will see next year in terms of phones.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 09:31 PM   #14
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"Screen:
The screens on the iPhone5 and SIII both have their tradeoffs. I love the huge screen on the SIII it allows me to browse without constantly zooming and panning like one needs to do on the iPhone5. This is even more true because most iOS apps haven't been updated and show black bars on top and bottom so like 1/4 of the screen is black in popular apps like whatsapp and engadget.

One the other hand the iPhone is definitely more manageable with one hand and has more accurate color reproduction. If you hold a white page up side by side the GSIII looks yellow in comparison.

Overall I prefer the GSIII screen size, but it's really a matter of personal preference.

Productivity and Capability:
There's simply so much more you can do with Android than you can do with iOS, especially with a rooted and unlocked phone with custom roms. The notifications pulldown, Google Now, widgets, quick settings/toggle, popup browser, etc. all let you do more things faster with Android than you could do with iOS.

While iOS is solid it feels dated with little recent innovation in the actual UI. Almost all of the power of iOS comes from it's app store and third-party support for things like passbook. In the end Apple's homescreen is like a prettier rendition of a Palm Treo launcher from 2003. Siri is cool but imho Google Now is better.

App Selection:
As hinted above, Apple's real strength is in the app store. Overall they have more and better quality apps. There are almost always comparable apps in the Google play store, but they don't always have the same level of polish as the iOS version.

Sometimes though the Google play store has much more powerful apps that would never be allowed in the App store. Things like emulators, apps requiring root, different keyboards, etc. Now that I've used it, I'm not sure how I lived without the Swype keyboard. When I have to type something on my wife's phone I feel like I'm going back in history. I love this. Just today I installed an app that gives you full control of what happens when your proximity sensor triggers.

The restrictions Apple puts on app developers generally result in smoother more reliable apps that don't often crash and can't hijack your battery. On the other hand Google allows much more powerful applications, but rogue applications can hijack your phone and incompatibilities between Android versions cause all sorts of problems. I had to uninstall the Engadget app on JB because it was using 30% of my battery even though it was only in the foreground for 5 minutes.

Performance:
The iPhone will generally give you a smoother, more predictable experience. I think the lack of widgets, app freedom, etc. has a huge impact on this.

While Jelly Bean is butter-smooth for the most part, there are occasional stutters here and there that you don't really see on iOS. A lot of times I will find myself swiping a number or something and the action will take place a second later. Apps themselves seem to perform better on iOS. For example TempleRun stutters and misses swipes after running for a while. This was never an issue on my old iPhone4 and the SIII should be between 2-4 times as powerful.

Battery Life:
In my experience the iPhone5 has more consistent and generally "better" battery life when compared to the SIII. I put better in quotes because in certain use cases I'm sure the SIII would achieve as good or better battery time. Whenever someone has a battery issue they're told to turn off location services, latitudes, gnow, weather widgets, monitor your wakelocks, etc. However with the iPhone5 you generally don't have to worry about that stuff, if you aren't actively using an app it won't use much of your battery. My wife and I have similar usage patterns and she always seem to have more battery left than me at the end of the day.

Overall the iPhone is a solid but boring device with reliable performance and battery life where the SIII can be a bit inconsistent but delivers a level of customization, productivity and power that iOS can't touch. I think power users will prefer the SIII/Note2 and the iPhone is more for people who expect a consistent experience from their phone."

I copied and pasted this from a user on xda. I find this to be the most accurate and non bias description. I agree 100% with this opinion.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 09:49 PM   #15
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The competition from Android is great. It finally pushed Apple to move to the 4'' screen (despite the number of years it took).

The competition from 5'' 1080p phones means only good things for iphone users. I can definitely see a division from here on out between a standard iphone (4'') and an "HD iphone" (4.5-5'').
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:04 PM   #16
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"Screen:
The screens on the iPhone5 and SIII both have their tradeoffs. I love the huge screen on the SIII it allows me to browse without constantly zooming and panning like one needs to do on the iPhone5. This is even more true because most iOS apps haven't been updated and show black bars on top and bottom so like 1/4 of the screen is black in popular apps like whatsapp and engadget.

One the other hand the iPhone is definitely more manageable with one hand and has more accurate color reproduction. If you hold a white page up side by side the GSIII looks yellow in comparison.

Overall I prefer the GSIII screen size, but it's really a matter of personal preference.

Productivity and Capability:
There's simply so much more you can do with Android than you can do with iOS, especially with a rooted and unlocked phone with custom roms. The notifications pulldown, Google Now, widgets, quick settings/toggle, popup browser, etc. all let you do more things faster with Android than you could do with iOS.

While iOS is solid it feels dated with little recent innovation in the actual UI. Almost all of the power of iOS comes from it's app store and third-party support for things like passbook. In the end Apple's homescreen is like a prettier rendition of a Palm Treo launcher from 2003. Siri is cool but imho Google Now is better.

App Selection:
As hinted above, Apple's real strength is in the app store. Overall they have more and better quality apps. There are almost always comparable apps in the Google play store, but they don't always have the same level of polish as the iOS version.

Sometimes though the Google play store has much more powerful apps that would never be allowed in the App store. Things like emulators, apps requiring root, different keyboards, etc. Now that I've used it, I'm not sure how I lived without the Swype keyboard. When I have to type something on my wife's phone I feel like I'm going back in history. I love this. Just today I installed an app that gives you full control of what happens when your proximity sensor triggers.

The restrictions Apple puts on app developers generally result in smoother more reliable apps that don't often crash and can't hijack your battery. On the other hand Google allows much more powerful applications, but rogue applications can hijack your phone and incompatibilities between Android versions cause all sorts of problems. I had to uninstall the Engadget app on JB because it was using 30% of my battery even though it was only in the foreground for 5 minutes.

Performance:
The iPhone will generally give you a smoother, more predictable experience. I think the lack of widgets, app freedom, etc. has a huge impact on this.

While Jelly Bean is butter-smooth for the most part, there are occasional stutters here and there that you don't really see on iOS. A lot of times I will find myself swiping a number or something and the action will take place a second later. Apps themselves seem to perform better on iOS. For example TempleRun stutters and misses swipes after running for a while. This was never an issue on my old iPhone4 and the SIII should be between 2-4 times as powerful.

Battery Life:
In my experience the iPhone5 has more consistent and generally "better" battery life when compared to the SIII. I put better in quotes because in certain use cases I'm sure the SIII would achieve as good or better battery time. Whenever someone has a battery issue they're told to turn off location services, latitudes, gnow, weather widgets, monitor your wakelocks, etc. However with the iPhone5 you generally don't have to worry about that stuff, if you aren't actively using an app it won't use much of your battery. My wife and I have similar usage patterns and she always seem to have more battery left than me at the end of the day.

Overall the iPhone is a solid but boring device with reliable performance and battery life where the SIII can be a bit inconsistent but delivers a level of customization, productivity and power that iOS can't touch. I think power users will prefer the SIII/Note2 and the iPhone is more for people who expect a consistent experience from their phone."

I copied and pasted this from a user on xda. I find this to be the most accurate and non bias description. I agree 100% with this opinion.
Agree with this 100%. I love my iPhone but the OS is getting stale. But the app quality and selection (especially for games) can't be touched by Android yet. I am definitely yearning for a Nexus 4 but can't bring myself to get it, just don't feel like Android will be a good substitute for me given the above. IMO a jail broken iPhone is the perfect combo between the Apple ecosystem and the Android customization.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 11:08 PM   #17
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IMO a jail broken iPhone is the perfect combo between the Apple ecosystem and the Android customization.
Same here.
I feel a JB iphone is perfect for customization and for the more advanced/power user.
Its not for everyone out there but for me it makes the whole package complete.
If I could I would rather have my i5 JB on 5.1.1 than be on the current stock 6.0.1
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Old Nov 20, 2012, 10:53 AM   #18
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Before = Apple says " The more pixels the better, our product is the best on the market because we have the highest pixel count and text looks so sharp and crisp its like reading a high quality printed page."

Now = Apple says " Pixel density doesn't matter, that is not important in a phone"


LOL, the apple corporate marketing machine at work. Lie to the customers and push your hardware at all costs.
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"Screen:
The screens on the iPhone5 and SIII both have their tradeoffs.
....
Overall the iPhone is a solid but boring device with reliable performance and battery life where the SIII can be a bit inconsistent but delivers a level of customization, productivity and power that iOS can't touch. I think power users will prefer the SIII/Note2 and the iPhone is more for people who expect a consistent experience from their phone."

I copied and pasted this from a user on xda. I find this to be the most accurate and non bias description. I agree 100% with this opinion.
*Shortened for quote



I really like that right up as well. Very non biased and easy to read. All in all, it comes down to this, simplicity vs. customizability.

Anyone in the world can create their own operating systems by building their own kernels and using open source software, but not everyone wants to. I, for one, prefer to just be handed a polished/finished product that I can begin enjoying and not be required to customize it. Apple is my choice.



Back on topic,

Seriously OP, you would ditch Apple if they didn't come out with a 1080P screen? What if another phone goes up to 6 or even 7 inches in size? Might as well bump that resolution up to 2560x1600. Would you think that Apple MUST match that?
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the average consumer can't see the difference between 1080p and 720p on anything below a 37" so seriously, on a 5" screen?
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I wouldn't switch phones over screen size. I however would switch phones over OS, I am not concerned at all about Apple's hardware choices I know they are going to do fine by me. iOS needs the scrutiny here, not the 4 inch screen and that is just being honest.
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I think the only people that this really has any kindof effect on is the spec-who*es out there. To everyday people it has no effect on them or their usage of the device.
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i would definitely consider an android again if it was as snappy and 'instant' as the iOS.
I take it that your gsIII hadn't been updated to Jellybean yet since Samsung has barely rolled Jellybean out to that phone.

from Google's website:

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Jelly Bean features improved performance throughout the system, including faster orientation changes, faster responses when switching between recent apps, and smoother and more consistent rendering across the system through vsync and triple buffering.
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Old Nov 19, 2012, 12:52 AM   #24
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It's not stupid. You obviously know very little of app development so to you, apple can just make a new screen size every year kind of like the android market and everything will work fine. Apple is thinking about their developers. It's hard enough to update an app for the 4" screen. They don't want 10 different sizes with no apps to take advantage of it.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 10:55 PM   #25
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Apple is thinking about their developers.
This is the story (or excuse) that gets told over & over. As if Apple really cares. Just because it's true that developers code to a fixed set of parameters, that's their problem. Apple's not as warm & fuzzy as many romantics get sucked into believing.

Bottom line? The market is demanding & buying smartphones with large screens. Samsungs smart enough to listen & build what's in demand.

Apple has become an old & stodgy company as conservative as old rich white men. They've become "the man". Everything that Apple once abhorred. It's fascinating to watch.
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