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Old Nov 20, 2012, 11:53 PM   #1
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Is this why iPad is still at 64GB?

The first iPad had 2x32GB chips. Then each subsequent iPad has been capped at 64GB. Looking at an ifixit teardown, it looked like to me there is now only space for one chip. Is it true that iPads now use just a single flash chip instead of 2?

If this is true, does anyone know when 128GB chips will become common?
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:16 AM   #2
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I think that it's because the retina screen requires a much bigger battery (compare iPad 2 battery vs iPad 3/4) to retain the amazing 10-hour+ battery life so the motherboard has to be shrunken to the smallest. Also, more importantly, to further increase the insane profit margin Apple has on storage.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 07:05 AM   #3
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are you using more than 60Gb? I just don't see the market asking for 128Gb
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 07:30 AM   #4
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I just don't see the market asking for 128Gb
The people who don't want to burn expensive cellular minutes downloading stuff over and over from the cloud that could be synched once on their device. Sometimes finding some free, robust wifi is not easy. Apple sold many millions of iPod generations by simply growing hard drive sizes from version to version. Some people want to carry up to ALL of their media around with them.

But companies like AT&T, Verizon, etc love the way you are thinking and hope we'll all embrace the cloud. Their data tiers are revenue nirvana vs. the "just store it all in the cloud" mentality. And Apple can start stripping storage out of such devices (but leave the prices the same of course) if the crowd comes around to your way of thinking too. AT&T, Verizon, etc will be very happy with us burning through cell tiers to pay them more and Apple will love the added profit per unit sold. We'll just be poorer as our hard-earned money flows away so that we can download the same files over and over again because we don't have enough local storage to just have them on board.

Obviously, I'm with the crowd that wants >64GB of storage. I'd much rather sync and have it anywhere/anytime rather than stream it from the cloud and burn cell minutes or wait for it via sometimes slow "free" wifi.

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The reason is simple, you would be hard pressed to find NAND chips with a higher capacity than 32 GB.
What?
http://www.sandisk.com/about-sandisk...h-memory-chip/
http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/memory/...d_Tablets.html
http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/...amilyid=900116
http://newsroom.intel.com/community/...64gb-20nm-nand

I think it may be harder to find some NAND manufacturer that is NOT making NAND greater than 32GB.

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Old Nov 21, 2012, 06:26 PM   #5
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128Gb NAND module. In other words, 16GB.
Notice the date on that? End of September 2012. It's an eMMC product just now launching in a 128GB capacity. It uses eight 64Gb NAND layers (8GB each) and wouldn't have been an option for any currently shipping product.
Again, gigabit, not gigabyte.
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I think it may be harder to find some NAND manufacturer that is NOT making NAND greater than 32GB.
Not in a monolithic solution. The original poster is correct that there are no single modules larger than 32GB (256Gb) on the market now--I'm not even sure that there are any that aren't in fact 2x128Gb modules. Nearly all products above 16GB capacity are just sandwiches of smaller capacity modules.

We've really only had 128Gb modules for about a year. With the new 10nm processes, we should start to see capacities start increasing again. It's all cyclical. The focus has been on process reductions, performance and reliability improvements, and cost reduction. With cheaper products now pushing more volume, we'll go through another expansion cycle.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 08:04 AM   #6
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are you using more than 60Gb? I just don't see the market asking for 128Gb
I could go for 128GB. I listen to a lot of music (I currently have 35GB of it on my iPhone) and am not around wifi I can stream with during the day and I don't have unlimited data. In five months, $20/month for the next tier data would pay for the higher capacity iPad.
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Old Nov 28, 2012, 08:23 AM   #7
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I could go for 128GB. I listen to a lot of music (I currently have 35GB of it on my iPhone) and am not around wifi I can stream with during the day and I don't have unlimited data. In five months, $20/month for the next tier data would pay for the higher capacity iPad.
Or you could get a wifi-enabled harddrive for the same $100 (at least you could have last weekend) and pay $0.20 per GB instead of over $1.50
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Or you could get a wifi-enabled harddrive for the same $100 (at least you could have last weekend) and pay $0.20 per GB instead of over $1.50
However, I want to be able to listen to my music without having to carry around an external drive. I have the 64Gb iPhone and I'm already down to 4GB free. This is without magazines and the larger iPad apps. If all I wanted that drive for was video playback then I would agree with you, but I currently can't stick my 900MB of Zinio, 10GB of Photos, etc. on that external drive. I will pay the extra for the convenience of having all my stuff with me without the additonal bulk and weight of an external drive. Not to mention, I don't want to have an additional deivce I have to always make sure the battery is topped off on.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 08:08 AM   #9
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are you using more than 60Gb? I just don't see the market asking for 128Gb
Yep, I'm at 61GB here. Just because you don't need a feature doesn't mean that no one does. There is clearly demand for more storage even in the era of cloud services. Until cellular data is cheap and unlimited, there will be a demand for storage.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 08:16 AM   #10
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Yep, I'm at 61GB here. Just because you don't need a feature doesn't mean that no one does. There is clearly demand for more storage even in the era of cloud services. Until cellular data is cheap and unlimited, there will be a demand for storage.
We fly a lot, and my life likes watching TV shows and movies on her iPad2, and I'm constantly deleting things to fit new stuff for her to watch, though sometimes she likes going back to the old shows as well. Would definitely buy a 128 for the next upgrade.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 08:23 AM   #11
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I can see the regular iPad getting 32/64/128 and the Mini staying at 16/32/64.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 09:05 AM   #12
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Just because you don't need a feature doesn't mean that no one does.
You've been an MR member long enough to know better. The people who know more than Apple also know what's best for everyone. As I type, these people are composing The Affordable iDevice Act of 2012 and preparing their résumé to become the first Secretary of Business.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 10:32 AM   #13
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Yep, I'm at 61GB here. Just because you don't need a feature doesn't mean that no one does. There is clearly demand for more storage even in the era of cloud services. Until cellular data is cheap and unlimited, there will be a demand for storage.
I have less than a GB of space on my 64GB iPad.
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Old Dec 20, 2012, 02:42 PM   #14
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Yep, I'm at 61GB here. Just because you don't need a feature doesn't mean that no one does. There is clearly demand for more storage even in the era of cloud services. Until cellular data is cheap and unlimited, there will be a demand for storage.
And when cellular data is everywhere and it is fast everywhere as well. I live in Michigan and this summer I went up north for about a week to the Upper Peninsula and there are many areas where there is absolutely no cell coverage at all so I put on a bunch of movies and tv shows to occupy my time since I knew that Netflix would not work the majority of the time. I do not see why they can not increase the storage capacity on their devices, unlimited data is way too expensive and I would rather pay $100 for twice the storage and not have to worry about going over in data if I do not have unlimited.
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Until cellular data is cheap and unlimited
Not to mention fast. Most of the world doesn't have LTE, and 3G can be quite slow for stuff like media streaming.
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are you using more than 60Gb? I just don't see the market asking for 128Gb
Wasn't there already an iPod with 128GB at some point? That was a few years ago if IIRC.
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Wasn't there already an iPod with 128GB at some point? That was a few years ago if IIRC.
At one point it shot up to 240GB but its back down to 160GB, the difference being that the iPod uses regular harddrives which are much less expensive. The Pads and Touch use flash storage so its more expensive to get really high capacities.
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I suspect it's as simple as a diminishing profit margin once they go above 64GB when they're charging $100 more for each doubling of storage (to keep the pricing simple and the profits tasty).

I'm sure at some point it will make sense for Apple to bump the capacities to 32/64/128 though.

If you like storing video on your iPad, 64GB will soon run out. It's a shame Apple don't officially support external storage for iPads, even if only for video apps. There is the work-around through the camera connection kit, but that is hardly elegant.
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At one point it shot up to 240GB but its back down to 160GB, the difference being that the iPod uses regular harddrives which are much less expensive. The Pads and Touch use flash storage so its more expensive to get really high capacities.
If you look at the pricing trend of 16-32-64 from iHS's summary: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2401725,00.asp it appears that each iteration costs about double the previous iteration, implying that 128GB would cost around $134 vs. $67 for 64GB. Of course, that's nearly pure speculation on my part as I'm perceiving a price pattern based upon only a single example. Maybe 128GB would cost much more OR much less than that?

Of course, another option for those hungry to carry a bit more on board would be to build in a SDXC card slot (which would also be handy for photographers and videographers). This could be done similar to how the sim slot is done so that there is a flush fit when the card is installed. Then, those of us wanting to optionally tote a bit more data could just add 128GB (for about $100 as I write this) or 64GB (for about $40) or less (for cheaper). Then, we would have upwards of 192GB or 128GB iDevices instead of capping them at 64GB. One little slot and we could add just about whatever storage we want to our iDevices AND expand their on-board storage as our needs evolve over time.

But who wants optional big storage expandability in their iDevices?

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If you like storing video on your iPad, 64GB will soon run out. It's a shame Apple don't officially support external storage for iPads, even if only for video apps. There is the work-around through the camera connection kit, but that is hardly elegant.
While also not elegant, there's also those wifi-enabled hard drives. But I'd much rather have the storage on-board rather than carry another extra thing around.

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At one point it shot up to 240GB but its back down to 160GB, the difference being that the iPod uses regular harddrives which are much less expensive. The Pads and Touch use flash storage so its more expensive to get really high capacities.
Apple never made a 240GB iPod, although the drives exist and some have upgraded it themselves.
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Wasn't there already an iPod with 128GB at some point? That was a few years ago if IIRC.
Just like someone else said, a lot has changed from a few years ago. How most now access their personally media content has changed from a few years ago. I own all 64gb devices and now don't come close to filling them. I do believe everyone's needs are different however the future is pretty clear everyone will pretty much access their stuff the same way,over the air.

Basically internal storage is getting smaller not larger
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Wasn't there already an iPod with 128GB at some point? That was a few years ago if IIRC.
IIRC the iPod Touch and the iPhone at the time (3G?) were very similar designs. Each had two 'internal slots', on the iPod both were used for memory, on the iPhone one was used for memory the other for the cellular chip.

Thinking about it a bit more it may have been 2x32 in the iPod for a total of 64, and one 32 in the iPhone, and not 128 vs 64.
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are you using more than 60Gb? I just don't see the market asking for 128Gb
I've already had to remove all of my music from my iPad and I still regularly need to do a cull of apps to make space.

128gb could be the deciding factor in whether I upgrade to the iPad 5.
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If an Android tablet doesn't have 128GB yet, you know Apple won't. With all the iCloud, Google Cloud/Drive, 128GB isn't happening right now.
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I'm not seeing a need on the iPad, but on the iPhone 128GB would be great. As it is, as the SGSIII can do 80 or 96GB depending on model (with Micro SD card added).
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