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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:06 AM   #1
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Was set on a mini, but today did a side by side with a 4...

Hello,
How are you?
So, I was dead set on a mini to start by adventure over ios land.
But today I went to a store and they had a mini on display and an ipad 4 right beside the mini.
I could try them both sides by side alone for a good time...

First thing I noticed is that both on the same wifi network, and the 4 loaded the Web pages much quicker.
Every Page I started to load at the same time, the 4 finished first.

Second thing is that I went to a lot of sites I usually visit and the retina display on the 4 is really something else.

Side by side you can really tell the difference...
Even this forum, fully zoomed out is totally readable on the 4 and just barely on the mini.

Another thing is that there is a real weight difference.

Using the 4 with just one hand with tire my arm quickly...

So, after all this, I really don't know what to do...

Should I go with the mini or the 4?
Does the 4 size and weight really hurts its use?

How do you feel if you own any or both?
Do you find you don't use the 4 that much because of the weight?

Does the size of the mini make up for the worst screen?

I would really like to hear your thoughts.
I know it's subjective, but I am really torn.

Thank you.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:08 AM   #2
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if price, size, and retina is not an issue... Go with iPad 4thgen
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:10 AM   #3
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Get the mini and stop holding them side by side.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:17 AM   #4
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I had the first iPad, the iPad 2, the iPad 3, and now the Mini.

The Mini is by far my favourite iOS device i've owned, and I've owned a lot of them.

I planned to live with the iPad 3 and Mini side by decide to decide which I preffered over the first weekend.

It took my 30 minutes before the iPad 3 was on eBay.

For me, the weight makes all the difference.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:27 AM   #5
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Don't browse in portrait on the mini because it scales the 1024 pixel width to 768 which results in a fuzzy image. Stick with landscape and it is fine. This has been true all the way back to the iPad 1 and I've just switched to the mini because size and weight are an important factor. Sure, it isn't as fast or clear as the 4 but it is a step up in quality and features from my iPad 1 and much lighter. The screen was always going to be a compromise because the iPad 3 suffered due to the retina display (heat and weight mainly) so to try and put a similar display in the mini would have meant it needed more processing power and consequently a bigger battery so the technology isn't really there yet to do this at the price point. Apple did the right thing in going for 1024x768 rather than say 1280x800 despite android fans comments because it means the mini is fully compatible. Also, put a mini next to a nexus 7 in landscape mode and browse and see that websites are optimised for a 1024x786 screen. Apple made the right choices.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:35 AM   #6
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I too am having trouble deciding between the 4th gen and the mini. You guys make the 4th gen sound like a cement block compared to the mini. Is weight really an issue if you're sitting on a couch or chair for an extended period of time. I can't imagine myself holding either iPad for an extended period of time with one hand....

I'm leaning towards the 4th gen because of the processing power and retina. I mean... MOVIES PEOPLE. Won't movies look *much* better on the iPad 4 vs the mini? And I heard the stereo sounds much better on the 4th gen than the mini?

I'm not buying the ipad to be a reader, i'm looking to it more as an entertainment device .... so have I answered my own question?
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:36 AM   #7
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The World Health Organization needs to investigate a disease that, if MR is any indication, is epidemic. The symptoms are the inability to;

1. Define requirements.
2. Prioritize requirements.
3. Purchase the device that meets the prioritized requirements.

The sufferer then seeks advice from strangers on the Internet.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:40 AM   #8
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The World Health Organization needs to investigate a disease that, if MR is any indication, is epidemic. The symptoms are the inability to;

1. Define requirements.
2. Prioritize requirements.
3. Purchase the device that meets the prioritized requirements.

The sufferer then seeks advice from strangers on the Internet.
Touche. Love your signature btw.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 04:02 PM   #9
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I had the first iPad, the iPad 2, the iPad 3, and now the Mini.

The Mini is by far my favourite iOS device i've owned, and I've owned a lot of them.

I planned to live with the iPad 3 and Mini side by decide to decide which I preffered over the first weekend.

It took my 30 minutes before the iPad 3 was on eBay.

For me, the weight makes all the difference.
Interesting, on my end i've owned the 1st gen iPad, 2nd gen, then 3rd gen. I bought the Mini and hated it due to lack of Retina. Weight is crucially important to me, but the larger and more beautiful screen is worth the extra mere one pound.

Gave my iPad Mini to my grandma and she loves it. I'll stick my 3rd gen till the Mini gets Retina in 2014. (Trust me on that)
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 04:08 PM   #10
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I'll stick my 3rd gen till the Mini gets Retina in 2014. (Trust me on that)
Read the Anandtech review, the Mini won't be getting Retina anytime soon.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:31 AM   #11
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the iPad 4 is clearly the "better" machine in regards to specs. much faster processors, better display, etc.

the only decision to make is if you want to trade that off for better portability. I look at my iPad now and while it's clearly the top of the line machine in every way, i wonder if it's too much. I already have a MBP and an iMac, do i really need this additional device that USED to be my take-with-me-when-i-absolutely-need-to computer but is now replaced with my take-with-me-anytime device? i had no idea the iPad was heavy and not portable until i picked up the iPad mini.

the only thing making me consider keeping the iPad is my side work; it's a much bigger "wow" factor when showing someone a website/graphic/video/photo in a professional setting because of the retina display.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 11:59 AM   #12
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Hello,
How are you? ......
Thank you.
Best regards
So polite! like a letter from a friend!...I'm very well thanks!

Best Regards

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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:34 PM   #13
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Just define your priority. Are you buying it because of portability or want a high end user experience ie screen, speed,
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:39 PM   #14
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On another note, if you have an iPhone, why would you want an iPad mini? It's not as good as an iPhone in portability, and if you have an iPhone 5, not as good in performance either... and it's not as good as the iPad for full capability (smaller screen not ideal for a lot of reading materials, slower CPU)
It's like the netbook of iOS
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:51 PM   #15
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there are some things you want a larger screen area than the iPhone for, but the iPad might be overkill.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:51 PM   #16
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On another note, if you have an iPhone, why would you want an iPad mini? It's not as good as an iPhone in portability, and if you have an iPhone 5, not as good in performance either... and it's not as good as the iPad for full capability (smaller screen not ideal for a lot of reading materials, slower CPU)
It's like the netbook of iOS
Having an iPhone 5 doesn't replace the mini at all. I sold my iPad 2 and bought the mini because I like the form factor better. I use the iPhone when I am out and didn't grab the mini but I would almost rather be on the mini any time. It is my at home web browser as well as media station for on the go and so much more. I loved my full sized iPad but the form factor of the mini fits into my routine so much better.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 12:55 PM   #17
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If I may offer a suggestion, perhaps you would be better off buying a refurbished iPad 2 or iPad 3 from Apple's refurb store.

You could then try out the iPad 2 and decide what you like and don't like. Then you could sell the iPad 2 and purchase either an iPad mini or iPad 4 depending on your preferences.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 01:17 PM   #18
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On another note, if you have an iPhone, why would you want an iPad mini? It's not as good as an iPhone in portability, and if you have an iPhone 5, not as good in performance either... and it's not as good as the iPad for full capability (smaller screen not ideal for a lot of reading materials, slower CPU)
It's like the netbook of iOS
Many disagree but small tablets will go the way of the netbook. Same happening with small phones. Small tablets will be around for certain applications, but 8.9" and larger will rule for adults as they slim down.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 01:56 PM   #19
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On another note, if you have an iPhone, why would you want an iPad mini?
That's a great question that has a variety of correct answers all based on our individual preferences.

When I first bought my mini, it was for it's portability and convenience.

Now after waiting for two years in hopes Apple would offer the iPhone with a larger, not just an odd, narrow, stretched display, I've given up. Not on Apple, but the hope of an iPhone with a useful modern sized display. Enter the iPad mini, the perfect iP5 replacement for those of us that don't like tiny phones with oddly shaped displays.

Since I always carry a couple of phones, I can use one of my wonderful Samsung's for calling. For those who want to make this same transition, the ideal solution is an iPad mini & an inexpensive feature phone.

Now you can enjoy ten hours of battery life, a nice comfortable display, and avoid suffering the drawbacks & limitations of the iPhone 5.
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 02:10 PM   #20
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Hello,

Wow, so many replies in such short time!
Thank you.
I am still undecided.
Today I even had a 16gb Mini with smart cover on my cart, but backed out at the last minute...
Then I went to that store and saw both...

I know that both are good products but both are also compromise products...
The ipad 4 is great in display and power, but it is a compromise on size and weight.

The Ipad mini is great in size and weight, but a compromise in power and screen...

I know both products, and their strenghts and weeknesses... But one thing is to know the spec sheet and play with the product for an hour at a store, and another thing is living with a product on a daily basis...

That is why I am struggling with this decision...
I really enjoyed the ipad 4, but I was holding it in Portrait mode with one hand and the weight started to feel after a short while. But this was with the ipad up in the air with one hand... Would I use it like that often if I owned it?
How would I use it on the couch? Or at a table? Or at a desk?
And the mini?

This are all though decisions...
I currently have the nexus 7 and I use it as a small book most of the time, but that is also because the nexus 7 is small and has that form factor in which I must use it in portrait because of the 16:10 screen... And I use it suspended in the air because I have to hold it close to my face, again because the small screen...

So, all in all, trying to make up my mind and join the IOS family...

Cheers!
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Old Nov 21, 2012, 02:43 PM   #21
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hello to you.

It is really confusing, I was stuck at that dilemma too. Went with the ipad 4 since you can always sell it if an ipad mini with rd will ever come out and you probably won't lose a lot of money. But if you bought a mini and a mini with rd comes out, i feel like it would be harder for you to sell the mini since it is already affordable in the first place and people would just get the mini with rd too. Test it out, I've had mine for a week and it feels heavy if you hold it mid air for like 20 mins, but i usually have it on a table, my lap, my stomach, on an armrest. Take a look at your lifestyle and see if you need a device that is to be held mid air for a long period of time.
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Old Nov 22, 2012, 12:16 AM   #22
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Get the iPad 4 i am having a great time with mine. It depends what you want it for. If its games and productivity (pages, photoshop, imovie etc) the 4 is miles ahead due to its power and screen size. The 4 is also future proof to run smoothly for 4 years due to its specs while the mini might start laggin in a few years. The only thing the mini has going for it is the portability. It has no retina which is so easily distinguishable. Retina is what makes the ipad so good and useful for pages and reading on the web/books. It really comes down to portability vs everything else the ipad 4 has/the mini doesn't have.
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 03:17 PM   #23
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The iPad 4 is definitely faster, the screen looks better, etc., but the point is you want the form-factor of the mini or you want the form-factor of the regular iPad.

If you compare spec for spec, then the mini will look and feel horrible.

I spent about $800 (with tax and AppleCare+) on the iPad mini, so really it was down the fact that the smaller iPad is something that I want, not the regular sized iPad (which I also own, but have not touched once since I bough the mini).

I don't miss the Retina display and the iPad is fast enough for everything I need to do on it.

Hell, I didn't buy my rMBP for the Retina display. I wanted a thinner 15" MacBook Pro.
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 03:21 PM   #24
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I like my mini too, and still think ill keep my ipad 3 around (but not sure, maybe ill get rid of it) but if you wanted 15" Rmbp for form factor and screen didn't matter why not get an air instead?

I love my air.
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1) How do you feel if you own any or both?

Should I go with the mini or the 4?

2) Does the 4 size and weight really hurts its use?

3) Do you find you don't use the 4 that much because of the weight?

4) Does the size of the mini make up for the worst screen?
1a) I own both of these excellent tablets.

2a) Size and weight are to be expected, it's a larger device. They do _not_ affect my enjoyment of this model.

3a) The weight has no impact on how I use the 4, it's excellent

4) The mini does _not_ have a "worse" screen. It's a lower resolution which judged based on it's own merits, is an excellent display.

Comparing a Retina display to a 1028x768 display is just plain wrong. They are _different_ and not to be compared.

I find both the iPad mini and iPad 4 I own to be very nice tablets that do everything I could want from this type of device. They each have their strengths and uses, therefore it's more than worthwhile for me to own both.

It's up to you to decide which is most appropriate for your preferences.
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