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Old Nov 24, 2012, 09:07 PM   #1
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Apple and Samsung Seek to Extend Infringement Claims in Second U.S. Patent Lawsuit




Both Apple and Samsung are continuing the patent battle in the courtroom with a second patent infringement lawsuit filed in August. This is a separate U.S. lawsuit from the $1 billion verdict that was awarded to Apple.

Due to the early stages of this lawsuit, both sides are trying to extend the scope of their case against the latest products from each company. Last week, Samsung sought to extend the infringement claims to include the iPad 4 and iPad mini. Days later, Apple also brought a motion to include several recent Samsung products, including the Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note II, Galaxy Tab 8.9 Wifi, Galaxy Tab 2 10.1, Rugby Pro and Samsung S III Mini.

Samsung had previously moved to add the iPhone 5 to the U.S. lawsuit shortly after its release. As noted by FOSS Patents, this latest Samsung/Apple lawsuit won't even go to trial until March 2014.

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Old Nov 24, 2012, 09:09 PM   #2
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Another who cares patent blah blah.
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Old Nov 24, 2012, 09:10 PM   #3
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I think at this point, a news article should be posted on MacRumors' front page when there ISN'T an Apple patent lawsuit going on. THAT would be news!!
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 05:25 PM   #4
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I think at this point, a news article should be posted on MacRumors' front page when there ISN'T an Apple patent lawsuit going on. THAT would be news!!
BAM! This comment is such a win.
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Great, at least 2 more years of lawsuit stories on MacRumors.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 07:51 AM   #6
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Great, at least 2 more years of lawsuit stories on MacRumors.
My first thought too. It is news! Wouldn't it be interesting if this tactic led to a settlement? It's difficult to remember the original suit which was awarded in favor of Apple, was itself edited in pre-trial motions to only a small number of the original claims "without prejudice" to allow post-trial enforcement on those separate claims based on how the first trial went. It went well for Apple, so expect the nukes to come out for real.

With all the suits and headlines out there on these issues (right column),

http://www.fosspatents.com/2012/11/a...-products.html

I thank MacRumors for keeping articles and headlines to just the major developments. Given how many suits and jurisdictions there are, there are still a lot of headlines and the sums involved are huge by any measure, and often EACH larger than the entire market cap of companies not in the NASDAQ 150. AAPL is NASDAQ #1.

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Great, at least 2 more years of lawsuit stories on MacRumors.
No one is forcing you to read them, so don't

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Good god this is getting ridiculous. Both companies need to grow the %#^! up and end this nonsense now.

Oh and MR needs some kind of "back page" where these legal stories can be posted. They're so silly now they're not even worth commenting on.
And yet, fully knowing it is a legal story, you take the time the click the link and come comment. Instead of growing the %#^! Up and ignoring things you don't care about.

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Macrumors post these stories because there are still enough people who care and want to argue the same old whose wrong whose right lines.
Its not even that complex. They are posting everything for one simple reason. Page hits. hits means money so as long as it gets hits, they will post it

Same with very blog

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This is no different than any other technology industry. Look at televisions. They are all derivative of each other, but you don't see a web of lawsuits occurring in the TV industry.
Can't really say that. The suits could be happening but since those companies don't generate the page hits that Apple does they aren't being written about ad nauseum.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 03:47 PM   #8
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Great, at least 2 more years of lawsuit stories on MacRumors.
Yup, let's have a war to see who can out sue each other...
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Old Nov 26, 2012, 06:31 AM   #9
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Great, at least 2 more years of lawsuit stories on MacRumors' frontpage.
Fixed that for you there.
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Everyone, even I, has been hating on Apple for all these lawsuits recently.

But think about it for a second. Apple invented the core technologies behind these devices, it doesn't matter if it's "old news" or a "tired story"... It's Apple fighting for innovation.
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Everyone, even I, has been hating on Apple for all these lawsuits recently.

But think about it for a second. Apple invented the core technologies behind these devices, it doesn't matter if it's "old news" or a "tired story"... It's Apple fighting for innovation.
What "core technologies" did Apple invent?

Multi touch? Nope
Capacitive screens? Nope
Mobile radio tech? None at all

Name one piece of actual tech, not software, that Apple "invented" that is in the iPhone.

Software patents are a different beast and many would agree that some patents that have been granted are a joke at best.
Copyright law should be sufficient in most of these cases.
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What "core technologies" did Apple invent?

Multi touch? Nope
Capacitive screens? Nope
Mobile radio tech? None at all

Name one piece of actual tech, not software, that Apple "invented" that is in the iPhone.

Software patents are a different beast and many would agree that some patents that have been granted are a joke at best.
Copyright law should be sufficient in most of these cases.
They are being exposed. Shhh.
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What "core technologies" did Apple invent?

Multi touch? Nope
Capacitive screens? Nope
Mobile radio tech? None at all

Name one piece of actual tech, not software, that Apple "invented" that is in the iPhone.

Software patents are a different beast and many would agree that some patents that have been granted are a joke at best.
Copyright law should be sufficient in most of these cases.
Apple assembled these technologies together in one great device.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 08:52 AM   #14
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What "core technologies" did Apple invent?

Multi touch? Nope
Capacitive screens? Nope
Mobile radio tech? None at all

Name one piece of actual tech, not software, that Apple "invented" that is in the iPhone.

Software patents are a different beast and many would agree that some patents that have been granted are a joke at best.
Copyright law should be sufficient in most of these cases.
One doesn't have to invent the aluminum, glass, and screws used to hold a product together in order to produce an original, innovative product. The tools were around forever. It took Apple to show everyone HOW to make a world-changing phone. Then competitors stole it. Now Apple is told to "shut up and innovate or die", so that their work can be stolen again.
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One doesn't have to invent the aluminum, glass, and screws used to hold a product together in order to produce an original, innovative product. The tools were around forever. It took Apple to show everyone HOW to make a world-changing phone. Then competitors stole it. Now Apple is told to "shut up and innovate or die", so that their work can be stolen again.
This is no different than any other technology industry. Look at televisions. They are all derivative of each other, but you don't see a web of lawsuits occurring in the TV industry.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 08:28 PM   #16
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This is no different than any other technology industry. Look at televisions. They are all derivative of each other, but you don't see a web of lawsuits occurring in the TV industry.
The iPhone wasn't "derivative" of anything. Do people even remember mobile phones before 2007? I do. They were NOTHING like the iPhone or any current Android or Windows "smartphone" (and no, Blackberry wasn't even close). If people don't get that, then I can't really help. For those claiming Apple didn't "invent" the "technology" associated with the patent disputes: please tell me you are using a Nokia brick phone circa 2000, because that's what phones would still look like and work like if it weren't for Apple.
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One doesn't have to invent the aluminum, glass, and screws used to hold a product together in order to produce an original, innovative product. The tools were around forever. It took Apple to show everyone HOW to make a world-changing phone. Then competitors stole it. Now Apple is told to "shut up and innovate or die", so that their work can be stolen again.
Ha! I love it. So what exactly did everyone "steal" from Apple? Multitouch? A grid of icons? The concept for an internet ready smartphone?

Oh. Wait. I know. Bounce back. They stole bounce back. And they should PAY for their transgressions!
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One doesn't have to invent the aluminum, glass, and screws used to hold a product together in order to produce an original, innovative product. The tools were around forever. It took Apple to show everyone HOW to make a world-changing phone. Then competitors stole it. Now Apple is told to "shut up and innovate or die", so that their work can be stolen again.
People also have short memories. Apple for years besides being in a dispute with Apple records, was also hamstrung by an agreement with McIntosh, the high end audio equipment manufacturer. For almost 2 decades Apple had crippled audio features to avoid breaching that agreement. Apple eventually renegotiated that agreement and released sound editing tools, audio enabled computers with better specs, and of course the iPod.

That deference to McIntosh really crippled the development arc of Apple Computer to a significant degree even though they were really in different markets for all purposes other than Trademarks. McIntosh said they were concerned about the "audio reproduction business". Apple chose to not just change the name, just like with the squabbles over the iPad name internationally. Maybe they should release a "no name product".

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One doesn't have to invent the aluminum, glass, and screws used to hold a product together in order to produce an original, innovative product. The tools were around forever. It took Apple to show everyone HOW to make a world-changing phone. Then competitors stole it. Now Apple is told to "shut up and innovate or die", so that their work can be stolen again.
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It's a nice thought and Apple certainly has the cash for it, but the FTC would allow Apple to buy Google before allowing them to purchase Samsung. It would also be a very sad day for global consumers. But I'm sure you already share this feeling.
I'm sorry. You think Apple can afford to buy Samsung. Yeah. Ok.
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What "core technologies" did Apple invent?

Multi touch? Nope
Capacitive screens? Nope
Mobile radio tech? None at all

Name one piece of actual tech, not software, that Apple "invented" that is in the iPhone.

Software patents are a different beast and many would agree that some patents that have been granted are a joke at best.
Copyright law should be sufficient in most of these cases.
I was going to ask same thing.
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What "core technologies" did Apple invent?

Multi touch? Nope
Capacitive screens? Nope
Mobile radio tech? None at all

Name one piece of actual tech, not software, that Apple "invented" that is in the iPhone.

Software patents are a different beast and many would agree that some patents that have been granted are a joke at best.
Copyright law should be sufficient in most of these cases.
That's what all these lawsuits are about! SOFTWARE.
Software is tech - not following what you mean by actual.

As an aspiring dev, I'd be pissed if someone could just rip me off and it wasn't Okay to sue them.

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Whilst that may be the official spin, we all know it's only happening because Apple's sales are taking a hit - despite what the biggest fanboy will tell you, the Samsung android devices that are being made these days are actually pretty damn good devices - the S3 for example always gets a much more favorable review than the iPhone 5.

I say this as a person who owns an iPhone, and who is not pathetically supporting one company or the other - both have crap products, both have good products.
What are you talking about?
Of all the things said about the s3 it's not the design. It's the fastest hardware with okay software.. In fact, it's not reviewed anywhere nearly as highly as the iPhone 5.
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What "core technologies" did Apple invent?

Multi touch? Nope
Capacitive screens? Nope
Mobile radio tech? None at all

Name one piece of actual tech, not software, that Apple "invented" that is in the iPhone.

Software patents are a different beast and many would agree that some patents that have been granted are a joke at best.
Copyright law should be sufficient in most of these cases.
Just to be fair. What "core technologies" did Google and Samsung invent? Search Engine? Android?
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Just to be fair. What "core technologies" did Google and Samsung invent? Search Engine? Android?
Well Samsung and Google both own multiple patents over "core technologies" (ie, radio transmission protocols like LTE and HSPA+ and others). Samsung is a multi-disciplinary vendor with a hand in communications and semi conductors, while Google purchased Motorola Mobility which had invented many of these. It's safe to say Samsung also invented quite a lot of the tech that goes into these mobile devices.

Apple holds key patents over LTE through their Nortel bid, but they don't have exclusive use to them having bought them as a group with Microsoft amongst others.

One key aspect to recognize this is that Apple claims are mostly centered around design patents/registrations, trade dress/trademark and UI/software patents while the counter-claims by its defendants are mostly centered around FRAND encumbered patents for core radio transmissions.

In the end, Apple plays victim a lot, but, Nokia, Samsung, Motorola have all had to go to court to get their licensing fees for FRAND patents for radio technologies, and Apple to this day has only settled with Nokia. Apple is big to say "pay for our IP!" but is slow to actually pay for IP it needs to license.

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I think this will end up being a waste of time and money for both companies and also manages to make them both look bad in the eye of the public.
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