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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:05 AM   #1
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No! Bendgate is real!

iPhone 5 is prone to bending. It was a buy, now a no-buy

Instead of using Aluminum 6061-T6 (tempered), Apples uses regular Aluminum 6061, which is so soft any stress will bend it. So you can't sit on it, and it
will bend by itself if, internally, there is enough stress from screws and glue.
It will bend at the weakest point, usually the volume buttons because that is
where the big holes are on the outer metal that is holding the integrity of the iPhone 5.

I am hoping they can change to 6061-T6 aluminum. "HOPING" because using it may interfere with the precision of the cuts, which may make it impossible. It may add weight to the device though.

Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.

It is a no sale until Apple uses 6061-T6 Aluminum or 7075 Aluminum, and uses type III anodizing for the outer coat of the aluminum. Or go back to using
stainless steel. I am surprised they didn't catch these problems during prototyping and designing stages.

I think they will only fix it if enough people want them to use the new type of aluminum or anodizing process. I don't think this is a minor problem.

Update:
I've added some links and youtube videos that I found. Hope they are useful.


http://www.tekcore.co.uk/2012/10/10/iphone-5-bend-gate/

From this site:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1496543
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1465403
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1494118
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1459792
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1452478





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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:09 AM   #2
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wow, quite a knowledgeable post... but sorry for saying this, how I do know you are telling the truth ? how can you tell which aluminium and type of anodizing ?
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:33 AM   #3
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Where did you come up with all this metal analysis and anodizing information?
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:37 AM   #4
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iPhone 5 is prone to bending. It was a buy, now a no-buy

Instead of using Aluminum 6061-T6 (tempered), Apples uses regular Aluminum 6061, which is so soft any stress will bend it. So you can't sit on it, and it
will bend by itself if, internally, there is enough stress from screws and glue.
It will bend at the weakest point, usually the volume buttons because that is
where the big holes are on the outer metal that is holding the integrity of the iPhone 5.

I am hoping they can change to 6061-T6 aluminum. "HOPING" because using it may interfere with the precision of the cuts, which may make it impossible. It may add weight to the device though.

Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.

It is a no sale until Apple uses 6061-T6 Aluminum or 7071 Aluminum, and uses type III anodizing for the outer coat of the aluminum. Or go back to using
stainless steel. I am surprised they didn't catch these problems during prototyping and designing stages.

I think they will only fix it if enough people want them to use the new type of aluminum or anodizing process. I don't think this is a minor problem.
do you not realize that these issues will be addressed in the next version, and it's called iPhone 5S, S for scuff-free.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 04:42 AM   #5
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do you not realize that these issues will be addressed in the next version, and it's called iPhone 5S, S for scuff-free.
LOL! I love it.

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iPhone 5 is prone to bending. It was a buy, now a no-buy

Instead of using Aluminum 6061-T6 (tempered), Apples uses regular Aluminum 6061, which is so soft any stress will bend it. So you can't sit on it, and it
will bend by itself if, internally, there is enough stress from screws and glue.
It will bend at the weakest point, usually the volume buttons because that is
where the big holes are on the outer metal that is holding the integrity of the iPhone 5.

I am hoping they can change to 6061-T6 aluminum. "HOPING" because using it may interfere with the precision of the cuts, which may make it impossible. It may add weight to the device though.

Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.

It is a no sale until Apple uses 6061-T6 Aluminum or 7075 Aluminum, and uses type III anodizing for the outer coat of the aluminum. Or go back to using
stainless steel. I am surprised they didn't catch these problems during prototyping and designing stages.

I think they will only fix it if enough people want them to use the new type of aluminum or anodizing process. I don't think this is a minor problem.
Very interesting and I actually believe you .
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Old Nov 26, 2012, 11:32 PM   #6
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do you not realize that these issues will be addressed in the next version, and it's called iPhone 5S, S for scuff-free.
You do realize that your wasting money on the iPhone 5 then?
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Old Nov 26, 2012, 11:44 PM   #7
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do you not realize that these issues will be addressed in the next version, and it's called iPhone 5S, S for scuff-free.
More like the 5STFU.........
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:45 AM   #8
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iPhone 5 is prone to bending. It was a buy, now a no-buy

Instead of using Aluminum 6061-T6 (tempered), Apples uses regular Aluminum 6061, which is so soft any stress will bend it. So you can't sit on it, and it
will bend by itself if, internally, there is enough stress from screws and glue.
It will bend at the weakest point, usually the volume buttons because that is
where the big holes are on the outer metal that is holding the integrity of the iPhone 5.

I am hoping they can change to 6061-T6 aluminum. "HOPING" because using it may interfere with the precision of the cuts, which may make it impossible. It may add weight to the device though.

Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.

It is a no sale until Apple uses 6061-T6 Aluminum or 7071 Aluminum, and uses type III anodizing for the outer coat of the aluminum. Or go back to using
stainless steel. I am surprised they didn't catch these problems during prototyping and designing stages.

I think they will only fix it if enough people want them to use the new type of aluminum or anodizing process. I don't think this is a minor problem.
Type III clear wouldn't work for the white iphone.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:46 AM   #9
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What I think we are seeing here is a move towards making these products more "disposable" to better reflect the increasingly faster upgrade habits of customers. The obvious benefit of-course being improvements in weight and size.

I am not saying that this is the right approach, or that it won't adversely affect the brand in the long-run, but that it's more of a reflection of buying habits of customers upgrading their products within 18-24 months from purchase.

Why produce a product with the same build materials as a stainless steel watch, when the said products' expected life cycle is far shorter than a watch due to the rapid technological obsoleteness of something like a smartphone.

Again, I certainly agree with what you are saying, just that I suspect that is a conscious decision on behalf of Cook and co to accept the trade off's based on realistic product life-cycle expectations.
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:48 AM   #10
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OP whats your source on this?

Any proof to backup your claims?
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 02:54 AM   #11
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The whole time I was reading this I had a smile on my face ... Some of us are too much lol . But hey, good information ! Love my black iPhone with no scuff marks and enjoying the aluminum on my phone !
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 03:43 AM   #12
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Soon the bending will become an advertised feature. Finally, an iPhone so paper-thin that you can fold it, or roll it up!
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Old Nov 26, 2012, 10:56 PM   #13
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Just found a video where you can actually see the bending occurring slowly as more force is applied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RecJ8FZFN58
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Just found a video where you can actually see the bending occurring slowly as more force is applied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RecJ8FZFN58
If you look really closely, you can tell the blow dryer is fake. Obviously there is some kind of bend in the space time continuum that is making the the phone bend like that.
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Just found a video where you can actually see the bending occurring slowly as more force is applied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RecJ8FZFN58
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Old Nov 26, 2012, 11:04 PM   #16
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Did you not watch the video? It might of been pretty subtle but you can definitely see some bending occurring, followed by it gradually going back in to shape. Watch it again.

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Old Nov 25, 2012, 04:32 AM   #17
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iPhone 5 is prone to bending. It was a buy, now a no-buy

Instead of using Aluminum 6061-T6 (tempered), Apples uses regular Aluminum 6061, which is so soft any stress will bend it. So you can't sit on it, and it
will bend by itself if, internally, there is enough stress from screws and glue.
It will bend at the weakest point, usually the volume buttons because that is
where the big holes are on the outer metal that is holding the integrity of the iPhone 5.

I am hoping they can change to 6061-T6 aluminum. "HOPING" because using it may interfere with the precision of the cuts, which may make it impossible. It may add weight to the device though.

Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.

It is a no sale until Apple uses 6061-T6 Aluminum or 7075 Aluminum, and uses type III anodizing for the outer coat of the aluminum. Or go back to using
stainless steel. I am surprised they didn't catch these problems during prototyping and designing stages.

I think they will only fix it if enough people want them to use the new type of aluminum or anodizing process. I don't think this is a minor problem.
Where did you hear all of this nonsense? Everything is xxxgate. What about stupidGate for posts like this?
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Where did you hear all of this nonsense? Everything is xxxgate. What about stupidGate for posts like this?
Agreed. The OP didn't provide any evidence of his claim.
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What about stupidGate for posts like this?
Someone should start a poll. I'd add:
  1. Crankgate, since every Apple product release brings out a legion of cranks.
  2. Starchygate, since all these complaints amount to, "Kinda starchy." (I explained this Bloom County reference in another post.)

I imagine the mantra for gaters starts with, "This is my gate. There are many like it but this one is mine."
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Anyone who calls anything —gate deserves to get their shit bent.
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Where did you hear all of this nonsense? Everything is xxxgate. What about stupidGate for posts like this?
This!

We have iPhone 5's rolled out at work already and I don't see any of this gate nonsense. The users are actually really happy with them.
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iPhone 5 is prone to bending. It was a buy, now a no-buy

Instead of using Aluminum 6061-T6 (tempered), Apples uses regular Aluminum 6061, which is so soft any stress will bend it. So you can't sit on it, and it
will bend by itself if, internally, there is enough stress from screws and glue.
It will bend at the weakest point, usually the volume buttons because that is
where the big holes are on the outer metal that is holding the integrity of the iPhone 5.

I am hoping they can change to 6061-T6 aluminum. "HOPING" because using it may interfere with the precision of the cuts, which may make it impossible. It may add weight to the device though.

Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.

It is a no sale until Apple uses 6061-T6 Aluminum or 7075 Aluminum, and uses type III anodizing for the outer coat of the aluminum. Or go back to using
stainless steel. I am surprised they didn't catch these problems during prototyping and designing stages.

I think they will only fix it if enough people want them to use the new type of aluminum or anodizing process. I don't think this is a minor problem.
ANYTHING will bend if enough pressure is applied. Don't buy one, apple won't even notice.

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....What about stupidGate for posts like this?
I LoL'd for sure on this one!
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Old Nov 25, 2012, 10:16 AM   #23
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Anyone try a bend test yet? Maybe take a phone that has already been damaged otherwise and see what weight it will take to bend. I'm sure Apple has done this..........

Why not actually get the facts before any formal complaining?
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iPhone 5 is prone to bending. It was a buy, now a no-buy

Instead of using Aluminum 6061-T6 (tempered), Apples uses regular Aluminum 6061, which is so soft any stress will bend it. So you can't sit on it, and it
will bend by itself if, internally, there is enough stress from screws and glue.
It will bend at the weakest point, usually the volume buttons because that is
where the big holes are on the outer metal that is holding the integrity of the iPhone 5.

I am hoping they can change to 6061-T6 aluminum. "HOPING" because using it may interfere with the precision of the cuts, which may make it impossible. It may add weight to the device though.

Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.

It is a no sale until Apple uses 6061-T6 Aluminum or 7075 Aluminum, and uses type III anodizing for the outer coat of the aluminum. Or go back to using
stainless steel. I am surprised they didn't catch these problems during prototyping and designing stages.

I think they will only fix it if enough people want them to use the new type of aluminum or anodizing process. I don't think this is a minor problem.
So what type of aluminum does Apple use in the MacBook and the iPad?

I out be surprised to find out that Apple switched aluminum alloys when they designed the iPhone 5.
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Also, SCUFFGATE is real. Instead of using type III anodizing (hard anodizing), Apple uses instead type II anodizing. Which is why all over the internet your iPhone 5 has these dents and specks.
All those dents and specks are either pre-damaged out of the box from manufacturing or from defective anodizing coating. Many of us still have flawless black iP5 from day one (even with factory-inflicted nicks). It has nothing to do with the type of anodizing coating used.
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