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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:22 AM   #1
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When is iPhone 6 coming?

Is it coming next October? Judging by the release history of the previous iPhones, this seems to be quite true.

It is not long ago I started a thread, asking about iPhone 5 coming last october or not. And that certainly became true. But the problem is, I think it was boring as hell.

I still use my 3GS, and was planning on updating to iPhone 5. But the design struck me as very boring and too similiar to the 4S. I also hear people can scrape it up quite easy. And with the red flare problem on the camera, it is less and less tempting to buy.

The biggest problem for me, is that it just did not provide a big enough change. It just seemed "a little bit better in some ways", but not really going the full distance of proving itself a new champion.

And according to a few sources, a new iPhone may already be released in june. See here: http://technorati.com/technology/art...ill-launch-by/

So I think my 3GS just might last one final year. But it is really showing signs of dying already.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:23 AM   #2
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No one knows but based on historic data, October 2013 sounds about right.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:25 AM   #3
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There will most likely be an iPhone 5S next October, which will improve the internal specs of the phone, but the look is likely to be the exact same or nearly the same as the 5.

If you are waiting for a re-designed iPhone, you'll likely be waiting at least two years, and that's assuming the 6 deviates from the form factor of the 5.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:27 AM   #4
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At this point lets not get into the 5s vs 6 in the naming of the iPhone. The next update (regardless of what it may be called) is probably due out next fall.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:31 AM   #5
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There will most likely be an iPhone 5S next October, which will improve the internal specs of the phone, but the look is likely to be the exact same or nearly the same as the 5.

If you are waiting for a re-designed iPhone, you'll likely be waiting at least two years, and that's assuming the 6 deviates from the form factor of the 5.
This is based on the presumption that Apple is going to make an "S"-version of all their phones. I´m not sure this is true.

Also. The company Tactus Technology, says that their first products will be available in the MIDDLE of 2013:

And this company is working on Apples products in their research. Developing physical keys for touch screens.

And I don´t know how the reception for iPhone 5 was in the US. But here in Europe, it was not up to Apples previous standards. They are increasingly failing to generate hype. And if they don´t break their pattern, they will not be impressive anymore. So for Apple to succeed, they must show new innovation, and stop milking their old designs and ideas.

Apple should know this. And if they are taking that seriously, then that should be a reason for releasing a brand new iPhone. Perhaps as soon as June.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:41 AM   #6
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next year's iPhone is the 5S, then the year after that is the 6
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:42 AM   #7
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Iphone 5S (probably adding NFC and some other new features) 2013
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 08:49 AM   #8
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This is based on the presumption that Apple is going to make an "S"-version of all their phones. I´m not sure this is true.

Also. The company Tactus Technology, says that their first products will be available in the MIDDLE of 2013:

And this company is working on Apples products in their research. Developing physical keys for touch screens.

And I don´t know how the reception for iPhone 5 was in the US. But here in Europe, it was not up to Apples previous standards. They are increasingly failing to generate hype. And if they don´t break their pattern, they will not be impressive anymore. So for Apple to succeed, they must show new innovation, and stop milking their old designs and ideas.

Apple should know this. And if they are taking that seriously, then that should be a reason for releasing a brand new iPhone. Perhaps as soon as June.
You sound like you're not really interested in a release date but you just want to moan about the 5.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 09:03 AM   #9
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You sound like you're not really interested in a release date but you just want to moan about the 5.
I just want a new iPhone that I´m genuinly interested in paying for. And that is not the iPhone 5.

The whole reason for me already asking about iPhone 6 now, is because of my dissatisfaction with the iPhone 5.

So yes, I moan about how boring the iPhone 5 is now, because I hope the future will be better. And that it will come sooner than expected. And I have supplied sources that indicate some truth behind it as well.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 07:52 AM   #10
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If you are waiting for a re-designed iPhone, you'll likely be waiting at least two years, and that's assuming the 6 deviates from the form factor of the 5.
I doubt this going to happen given Apple's recent trend in releases combined with the ever increasing loss of market share.

I think we're going to see a spec bump in march, re-design in October. A 2 year wait is just not going to cut it given the inroads the competition has been making as of late.

I think they're also going to take a gamble with the 6 functionality wise, rather than just a redesign + spec bump, in order to try and claw back some of that lost maket share. It could very well backfire of course.

I know I'm in the minority here.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 08:08 AM   #11
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Like I said, Apple can not afford to keep repeating the same pattern. Yet most of you seem to think so.

Most of you seem to think that the next thing will be an S-version of the existing phone. Released at the same time next year. With only the minor and predictable improvements such as better camera, iOS update, new processor, sharper screen etc.

Point is. This has been Apples tactic for the last years. And it has led to a loss of interest in the iPhone. Loss of interest, means decrease in sales.

The company has been resting on their laurels, and we´re almost reaching the point where they have to start releasing their brand new technologies, which so far has been hidden in research and development.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 08:20 AM   #12
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Like I said, Apple can not afford to keep repeating the same pattern. Yet most of you seem to think so.

Most of you seem to think that the next thing will be an S-version of the existing phone. Released at the same time next year. With only the minor and predictable improvements such as better camera, iOS update, new processor, sharper screen etc.

Point is. This has been Apples tactic for the last years. And it has led to a loss of interest in the iPhone. Loss of interest, means decrease in sales.

The company has been resting on their laurels, and we´re almost reaching the point where they have to start releasing their brand new technologies, which so far has been hidden in research and development.
People said this last year before the 4S was released.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 08:39 AM   #13
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Like I said, Apple can not afford to keep repeating the same pattern. Yet most of you seem to think so.

Most of you seem to think that the next thing will be an S-version of the existing phone. Released at the same time next year. With only the minor and predictable improvements such as better camera, iOS update, new processor, sharper screen etc.

Point is. This has been Apples tactic for the last years. And it has led to a loss of interest in the iPhone. Loss of interest, means decrease in sales.

The company has been resting on their laurels, and we´re almost reaching the point where they have to start releasing their brand new technologies, which so far has been hidden in research and development.
Pretty much this. This is what investors want to see over the next 2 years, and the board very much knows it. I would be very surprised if we didn't see the schedule I described a few posts back. The iphone is Apple's cash cow, and given the losses in market share as of late, 2 years is just not going to cut it this time around.

Again, the 6 is going to be a marked departure from previous re-designs and they are going to take a gamble with it in some form or another . The screen will definitely stay at 4", but we're going to see some major new kind of functionality not seen in other phones. In 2 years time, they won't be able to afford to play it safe anymore. They need to protect their cash cow, and the board understands this.

TL;DR: The iphone 6 is going to have to be able to cook you breakfast if it wants to have any chance of retaining its crown.

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Old Nov 27, 2012, 08:58 AM   #14
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Like I said, Apple can not afford to keep repeating the same pattern. Yet most of you seem to think so.

Most of you seem to think that the next thing will be an S-version of the existing phone. Released at the same time next year. With only the minor and predictable improvements such as better camera, iOS update, new processor, sharper screen etc.

Point is. This has been Apples tactic for the last years. And it has led to a loss of interest in the iPhone. Loss of interest, means decrease in sales.

The company has been resting on their laurels, and we´re almost reaching the point where they have to start releasing their brand new technologies, which so far has been hidden in research and development.
The 3GS was quite popular though.

Iphone 4S never had the same hype but things like Siri helped it and the camera was said to be one of the best out there which helped sales.
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Old Dec 2, 2012, 09:35 PM   #15
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Point is. This has been Apples tactic for the last years. And it has led to a loss of interest in the iPhone. Loss of interest, means decrease in sales.
I don't know what planet you're living on, but hasn't each new iPhone gone on to sell more than the ones before it?

And it's expanded from one carrier to 3 major, and several smaller carriers.

What about any of that equals loss of interest, or decreased sales?
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 02:18 PM   #16
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Like I said, Apple can not afford to keep repeating the same pattern. Yet most of you seem to think so.
There is a difference between "can not" and "should not". Apple certainly can repeat the same pattern but it's a question of if they should.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 02:56 PM   #17
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Like I said, Apple can not afford to keep repeating the same pattern. Yet most of you seem to think so.

Most of you seem to think that the next thing will be an S-version of the existing phone. Released at the same time next year. With only the minor and predictable improvements such as better camera, iOS update, new processor, sharper screen etc.

Point is. This has been Apples tactic for the last years. And it has led to a loss of interest in the iPhone. Loss of interest, means decrease in sales.

The company has been resting on their laurels, and we´re almost reaching the point where they have to start releasing their brand new technologies, which so far has been hidden in research and development.
They can't afford to do it? Really? And keep in mind, this isn't including 4th Qtr sales #'s obv. I think they still have a profitable industry in iphones and I'd bet anything the 5S would CONTINUE to break previous sales records. There's something to be said for not putting it all out on the table. If you can beat out every other phone while simultaneously offering less features, you have a winner. Apple has the technology, they just don't need to offer it all yet. They make an aesthetic device that is more appealing and respected than any of their competitors'.
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I doubt this going to happen given Apple's recent trend in releases combined with the ever increasing loss of market share.

I think we're going to see a spec bump in march, re-design in October. A 2 year wait is just not going to cut it given the inroads the competition has been making as of late.

I think they're also going to take a gamble with the 6 functionality wise, rather than just a redesign + spec bump, in order to try and claw back some of that lost maket share. It could very well backfire of course.

I know I'm in the minority here.
You are not. I am with you. Remember Apple is all about revenue and making shareholders happy, the once a year update no longer works, especially when you are talking about the phone looking the same for 2 years.

Recent history shows that the quarter right before the launch is the lowest in sales, so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple moves to an 8 or 9 months release cycle.

It probably will piss off phone carriers, since they actually benefit when people hold out a few months until the next iphone is out. But at this point, Apple does not care.
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Old Nov 27, 2012, 01:36 PM   #19
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It's already out, where have you been? 5" screen is amazing! The titanium body is light but will not bend. Runs so much faster than my old 5. So happy.
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You are not. I am with you. Remember Apple is all about revenue and making shareholders happy, the once a year update no longer works, especially when you are talking about the phone looking the same for 2 years.

Recent history shows that the quarter right before the launch is the lowest in sales, so I wouldn't be surprised if Apple moves to an 8 or 9 months release cycle.

It probably will piss off phone carriers, since they actually benefit when people hold out a few months until the next iphone is out. But at this point, Apple does not care.
I can live with 8-9 month cycle. But I don't think Apple is hurting by a 12 month cycle. Creatively and hype wise having a 12 month cycle helps a lot. I think initially yes a 8-9 month cycle will generate more revenue but in the end can production handle it? Apple can barely handle the iPhone 5. Second 12 months allows Apple to not rush out products. Take for example the 4S, which should have had 4G LTE but didn't. Could/should the phone have had LTE, yes but LTE was still pretty new. If your doing a 8-9 months cycle your forcing a technology on to the market that Apple may have not mastered yet.

In the end Apple has defied competitors and vendors and that's what has made them so successful. If you wanted a huge screen, updated phone ever 6 month, and etc go with Android.
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There have been so many rumors on crazy patents, that I kind of expect to see them soon. I want change. Real change, like iPhone was actually about. Not just more of the same.
iPhone was a groundbreaking product when it was released -- in 2007. Now, the smartphone market has matured considerably. There is less room for groundbreaking innovation, because competitors have caught up and the phones have become so good...the improvements from here on out will generally be incremental.

But "incremental" doesn't mean insignificant. If you're honestly still using a 3GS then you're missing out big-time. There's a huge difference between a phone that can take crappy pictures (the 3GS) and a phone that can easily substitute for a point-and-click camera and HD video recorder. There's a huge difference between a thick, heavy, plastic hulk (as the 3GS now seems to me) and the sleek and light iPhone 5. There's a huge difference between a 3.5" pixelated screen and the gorgeous 4" retina display on the iPhone 5. All of them since the iPhone 4 have featured huge speed bumps over the 3GS, both in terms of processor and graphics (and even wireless speeds). If these are really insignificant improvements to you then maybe you're just not that into technology.
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There will most likely be an iPhone 5S next October, which will improve the internal specs of the phone, but the look is likely to be the exact same or nearly the same as the 5.

If you are waiting for a re-designed iPhone, you'll likely be waiting at least two years, and that's assuming the 6 deviates from the form factor of the 5.
If that's the case, I'll hold onto my 4S 'till 2014. How much is a replacement battery on a 4S anyway?
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This is one of those many Apple patents I actually wish to see soon http://gizmodo.com/5964965/new-apple...ll-dreaming-of

There have been so many rumors on crazy patents, that I kind of expect to see them soon. I want change. Real change, like iPhone was actually about. Not just more of the same.
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No one knows but based on historic data, October 2013 sounds about right.
based on "history" you would see a iPhone 5s about a year from last month. But if rumors are true, that "may" be accelerated to a 6 month release. So, maybe a 6 next fall. But doubtful if we are truly students of "history."
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Although in the past the iPhones have (mostly) followed a yearly release schedule, I'd guess that will soon change. Apple is under new leadership now that is starting to do things their own way. But that being said, the yearly schedule worked out with people's contracts as a new iPhone model would hit around when their contract ends (assuming that the majority of people get the new iPhone model close to the release).
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