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Old Dec 3, 2012, 12:24 AM   #1
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CVN-80 will be called USS Enterprise

During CVN-65 USS Enterprise deactivation ceremony Saturday, the Sec. of the Navy announced that the third Ford Class carrier CVN-80 will be named Enterprise. She is currently planned to enter service in 2025 to replace the Ike.

http://www.defense.gov/releases/rele...eleaseid=15708

As a person who can't stand the fact CV-6 Enterprise couldn't be saved, I am sure glad her name will still live on as a US Navy aircraft carrier.
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Good to hear. I'm tired of the Aircraft carriers and other ships being named after people, it's too politcal. I prefer the naming system of places, things and ideas. Such as the Defiant, Missouri and Hornet.

Obviously with a name as ingrained in our society as the Enterprise they couldn't let it die. Although they should change it from CVN-80 to NCC-1701.
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Definitely. I hope the naming of the Enterprise starts a shift back to names like Hornet, Lexington, Essex, Saratoga, etc.

The only person named ship I like is USS Nimitz. The name sounds badass so I don't mind that it is named after a person. But, the others are just ego feeding especially CVN-77 HW since he is still alive......
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Definitely. I hope the naming of the Enterprise starts a shift back to names like Hornet, Lexington, Essex, Saratoga, etc.

The only person named ship I like is USS Nimitz. The name sounds badass so I don't mind that it is named after a person. But, the others are just ego feeding especially CVN-77 HW since he is still alive......
Yea I do have to agree with that name sounding cool. The British have most of the best names though.

Victory, Repulse, Vanguard, Vigilant, Revenge, Triumph, Defiance, Arrogant, Invincible, Resolution, Vengeance, Dauntless

That's just a few of the notable names. Their are too many good names to list.
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Yea I do have to agree with that name sounding cool. The British have most of the best names though.
I think the French might rank up there too: Triomphant;Temeraire, Vigilant, and Terrible, just to list the names of a single class of submarine. Add in Vulcain, Acheron, Pluton, and Styx for their minesweepers.

Naming vessels after actual people is a common, if sometimes problematical, solution. Few people remember that Edmund Fitzgerald was the much-respected President of an insurance company, rather than just a doomed ore-carrier. And Winston Churchill got into a screaming row with George V when he suggested naming a Royal Navy battleship Cromwell (the King had understandable reservations about so honoring a man who had one his ancestors beheaded...)

Calling a US Navy fleet carrier Enterprise is likely to offend virtually no-one; and more than probably will delight the legions of Star-Trek fans.
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Calling a US Navy fleet carrier Enterprise is likely to offend virtually no-one; and more than probably will delight the legions of Star-Trek fans.
It offends me that Star Trek fans think Enterprise was named after their starship.

CVN-65 and CVN-80 is named Enterprise because of the Yorktown Class CV-6 Enterprise. Not because of some TV geeks. And they need to be reminded that the creator named the starship Enterprise was to honor CV-6 as well. They need to be put in there place.....


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Um... the U.S.S. Constitution holds that title, I think, by close to a couple of centuries.
Yeah, I did forget about her.
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Good to hear. I'm tired of the Aircraft carriers and other ships being named after people, it's too politcal.
Agreed.


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Although they should change it from CVN-80 to NCC-1701.
That is an awesome idea!
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During CVN-65 USS Enterprise deactivation ceremony Saturday, the Sec. of the Navy announced that the third Ford Class carrier CVN-80 will be named Enterprise. She is currently planned to enter service in 2025 to replace the Ike.

http://www.defense.gov/releases/rele...eleaseid=15708

As a person who can't stand the fact CV-6 Enterprise couldn't be saved, I am sure glad her name will still live on as a US Navy aircraft carrier.
My brother was a plank owner (1939) on the first Enterprise carrier. He was killed on it during a battle off the Canal in 1942. I am glad they didn't retire the name of the old Fighting Lady.She has a proud history.
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Nice slide show of CVN-65
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There's plenty of names to attach to CVN numbers, but one of them should always be Enterprise.

Mind you, I would expect a CVN launched in 2025 to carry mostly drones, which is a very sobering thought on many fronts.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 02:23 PM   #11
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My brother was a plank owner (1939) on the first Enterprise carrier. He was killed on it during a battle off the Canal in 1942. I am glad they didn't retire the name of the old Fighting Lady.She has a proud history.
As I said, I can't believe they scrapped CV-6. The most decorated ship in the US Navy, was the only remaining carrier in the Pacific for awhile after the loss of Lexington, Wasp, Yorktown, and Hornet, survived throughout the whole war, etc. But, we scrapped her. It should be Enterprise floating in NYC, not Intrepid. I don't care that CVN-65 will be scrapped. She doesn't hold a candle to the legacy of CV-6. Sure she is the longest serving ship in the US Navy and the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier, but that doesn't justify making her a floating museum.

But, I am glad that she is going to live on as a capital ship and not given the America treatment. Enterprise should always be a capital ship if not always an aircraft carrier to keep up CV-6's legacy.

And to the Star Trek nerds, the name USS Enterprise should live on because of its rich legacy in the US Navy, not because you Star Trek nerds demand it so. You already had your way with OV-101. Stay out of the Navy affairs!
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As I said, I can't believe they scrapped CV-6. The most decorated ship in the US Navy, was the only remaining carrier in the Pacific for awhile after the loss of Lexington, Wasp, Yorktown, and Hornet, survived throughout the whole war, etc. But, we scrapped her. It should be Enterprise floating in NYC, not Intrepid. I don't care that CVN-65 will be scrapped. She doesn't hold a candle to the legacy of CV-6. Sure she is the longest serving ship in the US Navy and the first nuclear powered aircraft carrier, but that doesn't justify making her a floating museum.

But, I am glad that she is going to live on as a capital ship and not given the America treatment. Enterprise should always be a capital ship if not always an aircraft carrier to keep up CV-6's legacy.

And to the Star Trek nerds, the name USS Enterprise should live on because of its rich legacy in the US Navy, not because you Star Trek nerds demand it so. You already had your way with OV-101. Stay out of the Navy affairs!
Mania Interview with Gene Roddenberry
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Dan Madsen: Why did you name the starship Enterprise? Why not the Yorktown or some other name?

Gene Roddenberry: I fought in the Pacific in World War II and I was downed in the area where the Enterprise and others broke the back of the Japanese fleet. It was a proud name. It was to me in those days, but I was a very young man. I guess I still cheer those days.
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Mania Interview with Gene Roddenberry
http://www.mania.com/mania-interview...le_111532.html

Dan Madsen: Why did you name the starship Enterprise? Why not the Yorktown or some other name?

Gene Roddenberry: I fought in the Pacific in World War II and I was downed in the area where the Enterprise and others broke the back of the Japanese fleet. It was a proud name. It was to me in those days, but I was a very young man. I guess I still cheer those days.
Yeah, that too. Star Trek Enterprise was named after CV-6.

And it isn't surprising that he decided to name it after Enterprise and not Yorktown. Not to diss the crew of CV-5 because they saved countless more American lives and carriers due to their incredible damage control skills. After she was hit the first time, damage control was able to quickly put out the fires and patch up the holes making the Japanese think she was CV-6, CV-7, or CV-8. So she took the brunt of the Japanese attacks allowing her sister ships to go unscathed. But, Enterprise is a more deserving since of her score card in the war. 20 service stars, 900+ planes shot down, 70+ ships sunk, etc. That's just impressive and deserving of being honored in TV shows, etc.
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Yeah, that too. Star Trek Enterprise was named after CV-6.
Could you please not put Enterprise right after Star Trek? It makes me think of that crappy show starring Scott Bakula.
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... I don't care that CVN-65 will be scrapped. She doesn't hold a candle to the legacy of CV-6. Sure she is the longest serving ship in the US Navy ...
Um... the U.S.S. Constitution holds that title, I think, by close to a couple of centuries.
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Seems like the British Navy had some Enterprises too - even at the same time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Enterprise
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As a person who can't stand the fact CV-6 Enterprise couldn't be saved, I am sure glad her name will still live on as a US Navy aircraft carrier.
Good riddance. That boat was an anomaly to the carrier fleet and is a maintenance nightmare
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Good riddance. That boat was an anomaly to the carrier fleet and is a maintenance nightmare
What do you mean? How was CV-6 an anomaly to the carrier fleet and a maintenance nightmare? Do you mean CVN-65 since she was her own class and had 8 reactors vs the Nimitz's 2?

I know the Enterprise class was expensive hence why only Enterprise was built and they went straight to the Nimitz class. But, the only anomaly carrier in the WWII era carrier fleet was CV-7 USS Wasp.
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What do you mean? How was CV-6 an anomaly to the carrier fleet and a maintenance nightmare? Do you mean CVN-65 since she was her own class and had 8 reactors vs the Nimitz's 2?
Yup, I meant the CVN-65 and seems I misread your post lol
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During CVN-65 USS Enterprise deactivation ceremony Saturday, the Sec. of the Navy announced that the third Ford Class carrier CVN-80 will be named Enterprise. She is currently planned to enter service in 2025 to replace the Ike.

http://www.defense.gov/releases/rele...eleaseid=15708

As a person who can't stand the fact CV-6 Enterprise couldn't be saved, I am sure glad her name will still live on as a US Navy aircraft carrier.
I'm a "old" soldier not a sailor but why was a ship commissioned in '61 retired thats hardly old in ship terms.
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Being an old salt I can say the U.S. Navy has a method to naming ships.

Been that way for quit a while too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ng_conventions

There are a couple of exceptions. RE: The Enterprise.

The Enterprise was one of the Navy's first ships . It was also the first nuclear powered carrier. Thus the tradition.

As far as scrapping the CV-65 my guess would be it had become too expensive to do upkeep. That and the fact that it probably had 30,000 tons of Asbestos in it and the reactor and other big equipment had seen it's days.

The United States Navy is very big on tradition.

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I'm a "old" soldier not a sailor but why was a ship commissioned in '61 retired thats hardly old in ship terms.
I was the first nuclear-powered air craft carrier ... it had eight reactors. Wonder if they had anything to do with it?
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I'm a "old" soldier not a sailor but why was a ship commissioned in '61 retired thats hardly old in ship terms.
It's not surprising at all. CVN-65 is the second oldest serving ship in the US Navy. CV-6 was only in commission for 9 years( thanks to the jet age making her too small and structure too weak for jet fighters). 50 years is pretty long for a ship to be in commission. Especially when Enterprise is her own class making maintenance and up keep expensive( especially when the ship was expensive to build in the first place hence why only one was built in a class planned for 6).

She was planned to serve until about 2015( when her next refueling would be due) to shorten the time until CVN-78 was finished to replace her, but they retired her early to keep costs down.


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The Enterprise was one of the Navy's first ships . It was also the first nuclear powered carrier. Thus the tradition.

Actually CVN-65 was named as a part of the deal the US Navy made after the screw up of not being able to make CV-6 a floating museum and the scrapping of her.
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It's not surprising at all. CVN-65 is the second oldest serving ship in the US Navy. CV-6 was only in commission for 9 years( thanks to the jet age making her too small and structure too weak for jet fighters). 50 years is pretty long for a ship to be in commission. Especially when Enterprise is her own class making maintenance and up keep expensive( especially when the ship was expensive to build in the first place hence why only one was built in a class planned for 6).

She was planned to serve until about 2015( when her next refueling would be due) to shorten the time until CVN-78 was finished to replace her, but they retired her early to keep costs down.




Actually CVN-65 was named as a part of the deal the US Navy made after the screw up of not being able to make CV-6 a floating museum and the scrapping of her.

Really I've flown on planes as old..

It's nice to see heritage and legacy carry forward
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Really I've flown on planes as old..

It's nice to see heritage and legacy carry forward
And you can see the negative consequences of keeping those old birds flying with American Airlines trying to keep those things airworthy(they have the oldest fleet in the industry). One of the reasons why AA filed chapter 11.

And Cunard decommissioned the QE2 a few years ago after 40 years in service.
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