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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:09 PM   #1
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Apple 'Hard at Work' on Next Version of Logic Pro




Last week, a rumor surfaced claiming that Apple had "decimated" its pro audio group, calling into question the future of Logic and other audio-focused software from the company. The rumor was, however, quickly dismissed by Jim Dalrymple and his impeccable sources at Apple, with Dalrymple noting that there was "no truth" to the rumor that Apple had slashed its pro audio team.

MacRumors reader Nicholas wanted to hear confirmation straight from Apple and emailed CEO Tim Cook to ask about the future of Logic. His email was passed along to Apple's music product marketing chief, Xander Soren, who provided a distinct rebuttal to the original rumor.
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Nicholas, thanks for your email. As the lead for our music creation apps, I always want to hear what our users are thinking. I want to assure you the team is still in place and hard at work on the next version of Logic Pro.

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The last major update of Logic came in mid-2009 with Logic Pro 9, although the company has made several improvements including adding 64-bit compatibility since that time. Following September 2011 rumors of Apple finishing up work on Logic X, the company did move Logic Pro 9 and MainStage 2 to the Mac App Store but otherwise did not make enhancements to the software.

Update: Russ Hughes of Pro Tools Expert contacted us to make clear that his original report said nothing about Apple's development work on Logic and addressed only the specialist team that assists professional users with using the software tools.
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The EMEA [Europe, Middle East, and Africa] team responsible for nurturing and supporting the pro studios, post facilities and TV has gone from 12-2 in a matter of months, so we don't think the use of the term 'decimated' (even though a quote from our source) was off the scale. However as Apple has confirmed in their note to you, the pro coders are still [there], both in the USA and Germany - the team is around 60 strong.

Our question remains (which is not answered by the Apple statement) - are they willing to either deny or confirm that the team has been reduced from 12-2 in EMEA and if (as we know is the case) it is the truth, what does that say about Apple's commitment to pro users?
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:13 PM   #2
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:13 PM   #3
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Logic X has been a long time coming. would like much improved audio editing and i hope they're implementing ipad integration for touch interface.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:18 PM   #5
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Last time they were "hard at work" for a long time we ended up with the Final Cut Pro X debacle... Let's hope things turn out a little better this time.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:20 PM   #6
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Hopefully less iJunk, and working "pro features" that professionals use/need.

That said, I still prefer what we have vs the other options for writing.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:21 PM   #7
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I think Apple would do good to start a blog.

On this blog, discuss current projects, what might becoming in the future, etc.

It would definitely put at ease people who think their favorite product is no longer being supported. In my particular case, I'd love to hear an update on how the development of the next Mac Pro is going, if it's even going at all.

Too much secrecy can be bad too. There needs to be a balance somewhere between complete silence and telling all.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:22 PM   #8
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No mention of the fact that Logic Pro suffers crippling lag issues with Lion and mostly Mountain Lion... grrr.... I know they are working hard to fix it, but it seems daunting sometimes.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 02:11 PM   #9
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No mention of the fact that Logic Pro suffers crippling lag issues with Lion and mostly Mountain Lion... grrr.... I know they are working hard to fix it, but it seems daunting sometimes.
I second that. That issue (which there is a 36 page thread about at Logic Pro Forums) really makes the program unusable for me for now.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 04:11 PM   #10
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No mention of the fact that Logic Pro suffers crippling lag issues with Lion and mostly Mountain Lion... grrr.... I know they are working hard to fix it, but it seems daunting sometimes.
No crippling issues here on 10.8.2 and the latest version on Logic on a 2012 MBP - sorry to hear you're having issues. Runs fine here.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:23 PM   #11
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I think Apple would do good to start a blog.

On this blog, discuss current projects, what might becoming in the future, etc.

It would definitely put at ease people who think their favorite product is no longer being supported. In my particular case, I'd love to hear an update on how the development of the next Mac Pro is going, if it's even going at all.

Too much secrecy can be bad too. There needs to be a balance somewhere between complete silence and telling all.
I don't think Apple would ever do that.
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 01:35 PM   #12
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I think Apple would do good to start a blog.

On this blog, discuss current projects, what might becoming in the future, etc.

It would definitely put at ease people who think their favorite product is no longer being supported. In my particular case, I'd love to hear an update on how the development of the next Mac Pro is going, if it's even going at all.

Too much secrecy can be bad too. There needs to be a balance somewhere between complete silence and telling all.
No way! It's not like Apple's already facing big info leaks well before any product launch.
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I think Apple would do good to start a blog.

On this blog, discuss current projects, what might becoming in the future, etc.

It would definitely put at ease people who think their favorite product is no longer being supported. In my particular case, I'd love to hear an update on how the development of the next Mac Pro is going, if it's even going at all.

Too much secrecy can be bad too. There needs to be a balance somewhere between complete silence and telling all.
Or you could just shoot them an email & find out.
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Or you could just shoot them an email & find out.


Good idea. So....what's the email for the for the guy who is head of the Logic development team??? Anyone know?

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Logic X will probably be a slightly enhanced version of Garageband targeted toward prosumers and sold on the App Store for $39.99.

My company does contract work for Apple to support Apple's sales & team and I can tell you that Apple is consider a price range of $9.99 - $19.99 for Logic Pro X! They are looking to target the prosumer market and after version X, if they decide to continue Logic development, Logic Pro will in the interim be watered down greatly to become a glorified Garageband 11 or 12. Logic X will be the last horrah!
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Old Dec 3, 2012, 02:02 PM   #15
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I think Apple would do good to start a blog.

On this blog, discuss current projects, what might becoming in the future, etc.

It would definitely put at ease people who think their favorite product is no longer being supported. In my particular case, I'd love to hear an update on how the development of the next Mac Pro is going, if it's even going at all.

Too much secrecy can be bad too. There needs to be a balance somewhere between complete silence and telling all.
Absolutely. Secrecy is understood with products like the iPhone/iPad and Macs. But why can't they be more transparent with their software development efforts? Uncertainty is not a good thing in this case.

And where the heck is the new iWork?
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Old Dec 4, 2012, 08:52 AM   #16
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Logic X has been a long time coming. would like much improved audio editing and i hope they're implementing ipad integration for touch interface.
I would hope that the next version doesn't come out looking and acting like FCPX. For what it's worth it's a decent NLE, but a professional Avid/Adobe competitor it is not.

Anything on top of what they've already done would be an improvement.

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Last time they were "hard at work" for a long time we ended up with the Final Cut Pro X debacle... Let's hope things turn out a little better this time.
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Last time they were "hard at work" for a long time we ended up with the Final Cut Pro X debacle... Let's hope things turn out a little better this time.
Logic Pro already a re-write in itself, IIRC it was model used to structure the transition to FCPX.

Regardless, I'd rather see Apple release an update to address the UI lag that is still wrecking my ability to do anything at speed, the 9.1.8 update that was supposed to fix it did nothing.
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Last time they were "hard at work" for a long time we ended up with the Final Cut Pro X debacle... Let's hope things turn out a little better this time.
People always make this comparison, but it just doesn't apply. The biggest issue with FCP was that the code was old and when they tried to update it to 64 bit they just couldn't do it. Instead they ended up dumping the whole app and creating a brand new one from scratch.

Logic is an entirely different situation, it has been 64 bit for a couple years. And they've continued to make updates to 9.1.x. If they were going to dump everything and start from scratch, we would have seen 9.x updates stop, if they're still making improvements it likely means that 10 is an update to the 9 codebase - fixes to 9 probably fix the same bugs in 10.

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LP9 is 64-bit, has offline bounce, and is cheap. That's three points Pro Tools doesn't have. Who's working hard?
Plus for $199 it includes surround mixing...with PT that's $2000 extra. Yes, that's the right number of zeroes, on top of $699 for PT itself, it's two thousand dollars more for the missing features like surround.


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Notice how Soren didn't actually deny the allegations, which were very specific:

(1) There are only two pro application specialists in Europe.

(2) Apple is not hiring someone to fill a recently vacanted pro applications job.

(3) The remaining people are working mostly on an iPad application, not an OS X application.
The info you missed is that the "pro application specialists" are sales people, not programmers. There hasn't been any info saying that a single programmer has left or been let go.


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I can reproduce it very consistently. Here are the steps...
I can't reproduce it here. What makes it hard for Apple to fix is that not everyone has the problem, and it can be very hard to reproduce. My guess is that it may involve third party drivers or plugins interacting with Logic and 10.8. Definitely get in touch with Apple and send them as much info as they can so they can hopefully reproduce the problem you're having.


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You hear what my ears hear? When you do lemme know. 0's & 1's don't hear at all do they?
Actually, you're not hearing what you think you're hearing. Audio is notorious for having a major placebo effect. Many many tests have been done comparing various DAWs, and from a playback and mixing standpoint they all sound the same (obviously different plugins are all going to sound different).

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Why should they have to look at two different places to buy Apple's software?
They don't. The MAS is the way to get it, they're probably still selling the boxed version because they have copies still sitting around.

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They don't. The MAS is the way to get it, they're probably still selling the boxed version because they have copies still sitting around.
And possibly some studios have their DAW not on the net still. Although I wouldn't see that as a major problem on a mac...could get distracting reading the forums though..
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Logic X has been a long time coming. would like much improved audio editing and i hope they're implementing ipad integration for touch interface.
Wow you nailed it there, i hope they do this
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Logic X has been a long time coming. would like much improved audio editing and i hope they're implementing ipad integration for touch interface.
Maybe I just don't get it, but having recently finished my first album with Logic Pro (all solo), I'm hard pressed to think of anything Logic Pro 'needs' added to other than perhaps more default software synth patches and guitar processing defaults (most included settings kind of suck and need a lot of fiddling to make them sound really good) and a better WAV editor and perhaps some mastering tools to make volume matching, etc. a bit easier for separate projects. I thought Logic was awesome, personally. I got professional results with total ease, really. And unlike the older Final Cut Pro, Logic actually used both my cores for processing on my MBP. Now I've got a quad-core Mini i7 I could use for editing and it would simply own for sheer processing DSP and more tracks at once.

I'd be more afraid of a "Logic Pro X" kind of thing that mirrors the Final Cut X thing (i.e. more "Garage Band" kiddie features and wiping out all the power tools it already has in the process of some dopey GUI make-over that it does NOT need). Logic Pro is already incredibly easy to use and I'm sure I haven't realized half the things that COULD be done with it if I knew about every little editing tool/button or had some mixing boards to interface to it, etc.

The last thing Logic needs is an iPhone/iPad kiddie interface (like they're advertising the iPad with that piano commercial playing something stupid like Chopsticks). This isn't Rockband or Guitar Hero for goodness sake.
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Maybe I just don't get it, but having recently finished my first album with Logic Pro (all solo), I'm hard pressed to think of anything Logic Pro 'needs' added to other than perhaps more default software synth patches and a better WAV editor and perhaps some mastering tools to make volume matching, etc. a bit easier for separate projects. I thought Logic was awesome, personally. I got professional results with total ease, really. And unlike the older Final Cut Pro, Logic actually used both my cores for processing on my MBP. Now I've got a quad-core Mini i7 I could use for editing and it would simply own for sheer processing DSP and more tracks at once.
Awesome news on the completion of your solo album. I tend to agree with you that Logic Pro probably doesn't need huge features but just an overall improvement of the applications and it would seem that the next Logic Pro version should integrate very well with Final Cut Pro X (Apple told Larry Jordan that improved audio editing is coming)
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Maybe I just don't get it, but having recently finished my first album with Logic Pro (all solo), I'm hard pressed to think of anything Logic Pro 'needs' added to other than perhaps more default software synth patches and guitar processing defaults (most included settings kind of suck and need a lot of fiddling to make them sound really good) and a better WAV editor and perhaps some mastering tools to make volume matching, etc. a bit easier for separate projects. I thought Logic was awesome, personally. I got professional results with total ease, really. And unlike the older Final Cut Pro, Logic actually used both my cores for processing on my MBP. Now I've got a quad-core Mini i7 I could use for editing and it would simply own for sheer processing DSP and more tracks at once.

I'd be more afraid of a "Logic Pro X" kind of thing that mirrors the Final Cut X thing (i.e. more "Garage Band" kiddie features and wiping out all the power tools it already has in the process of some dopey GUI make-over that it does NOT need). Logic Pro is already incredibly easy to use and I'm sure I haven't realized half the things that COULD be done with it if I knew about every little editing tool/button or had some mixing boards to interface to it, etc.

The last thing Logic needs is an iPhone/iPad kiddie interface (like they're advertising the iPad with that piano commercial playing something stupid like Chopsticks). This isn't Rockband or Guitar Hero for goodness sake.
Final Cut Pro 10.0.6 is actually very solid now, and has more feautures than 7. I think that a more intuitive interface would be great for Logic, that way all those things you said you don't know about would be much more discoverable. A well-designed interface doesn't have to be a bad thing
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The last thing Logic needs is an iPhone/iPad kiddie interface (like they're advertising the iPad with that piano commercial playing something stupid like Chopsticks). This isn't Rockband or Guitar Hero for goodness sake.
I was more thinking of a multitouch mixing console. It would definitely be a better experience than mouse clicking individual faders or drawing automation.

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Logic has native support for TouchOSC iPad controller and it works great! No need to do any setups or anything it just works!
I've been using Lemur with MAX but i've not looked at TouchOSC yet. I'll have a peep thanks=]
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Maybe I just don't get it, but having recently finished my first album with Logic Pro (all solo), I'm hard pressed to think of anything Logic Pro 'needs' added to other than perhaps more default software synth patches and guitar processing defaults (most included settings kind of suck and need a lot of fiddling to make them sound really good) and a better WAV editor and perhaps some mastering tools to make volume matching, etc. a bit easier for separate projects. I thought Logic was awesome, personally. I got professional results with total ease, really. And unlike the older Final Cut Pro, Logic actually used both my cores for processing on my MBP. Now I've got a quad-core Mini i7 I could use for editing and it would simply own for sheer processing DSP and more tracks at once.

I'd be more afraid of a "Logic Pro X" kind of thing that mirrors the Final Cut X thing (i.e. more "Garage Band" kiddie features and wiping out all the power tools it already has in the process of some dopey GUI make-over that it does NOT need). Logic Pro is already incredibly easy to use and I'm sure I haven't realized half the things that COULD be done with it if I knew about every little editing tool/button or had some mixing boards to interface to it, etc.

The last thing Logic needs is an iPhone/iPad kiddie interface (like they're advertising the iPad with that piano commercial playing something stupid like Chopsticks). This isn't Rockband or Guitar Hero for goodness sake.
I agree with this generally. I'd love to be able to say I've finished my first album with Logic... time has been far too lacking... but, upon picking up Logic Pro last year, the interface itself took me about 2 days to get a hang of. For a pro application, that's quite a feat. The things I've been struggling with have nothing to do with Logic itself... my knowledge of audio engineering and mixing in general is the bottle-neck. And my technical ability with my instruments :P

I'd like to see a new version of Logic for sure. There are definitely things that could be improved and cleaned up. Performance, while good, could always be optimized. Some parts of the interface feel a bit clunky to me (wave editing, flex time... anything that requires a decent amount of zooming in on a waveform). The ability to easily group tracks would also be very nice. But, as far as I'm concerned, Apple can take its time to get it right. What I have now in Logic Pro 9 already works wonderfully.
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