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Old Dec 7, 2012, 11:49 PM   #1
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Apple's Initial Investment in U.S. Mac Production Estimated to Create 200 Jobs




Bloomberg reports that Apple's $100 million plan to bring some Mac production back to the United States is likely to be a very modest operation at the outset, with some economists and industry experts projecting that the effort will create approximately 200 jobs.
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The investment "sounds like a 200-job operation with about a million-unit output," said Dan Luria, a labor economist at Michigan Manufacturing Technology Center in Plymouth, Michigan, who studies factory operations. Apple will probably rely on tax breaks and other incentives for the facility, he said. [...]

While Apple's commitment could set a precedent for electronics suppliers, it probably doesn't presage a large or rapid shift of production back to the U.S., said Michael Marks, the former CEO of Flextronics International Ltd., which was the largest contract manufacturer in the world before the rise of Foxconn. He also estimates $100 million may create about 200 jobs.
Apple is presumed to be working with its primary manufacturing partner Foxconn on the project, as Foxconn has also expressed interest in building operations in the United States.

Workers at Quanta Computer in Shanghai assembling MacBook Pro display enclosures
Apple's efforts to bring Mac production back to the United States come just as Lenovo, which purchased IBM's personal computer business in 2005, has announced plans to begin PC production in North Carolina. Lenovo's effort is also a modest one, projected to employ roughly 100 workers to produce several hundred thousand units per year.

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Old Dec 7, 2012, 11:52 PM   #2
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It's not much, but at least it's a start. Hopefully as time goes on we will see more progress on this.
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Old Dec 7, 2012, 11:54 PM   #3
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hmm a very modest number..
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Old Dec 7, 2012, 11:54 PM   #4
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Golly, 200. Whoop-e-do. /s

Foxconn is like a million.
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Old Dec 7, 2012, 11:57 PM   #5
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Look at it for what it is. A cost effective PR campaign. During the election season, Apple got a lot of bad press for manufacturing in China. This is a good argument against that because now Apple will be able to say that they created manufacturing jobs in the US and it will get them good media coverage.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 12:05 AM   #6
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Better than no jobs.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 12:16 AM   #7
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Great PR move by Apple. By adding a mere 200 jobs, they've dominated another 24-hour U.S. news cycle.

I still hope this means they will be reactivating their factory in Elk Grove, California, where the last of the US-made iMacs were assembled before the work was shipped overseas.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 12:27 AM   #8
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Better than no jobs.
I was more happy when there was just 1 Jobs.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 01:07 AM   #9
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Better than no jobs.
I'd rather have one Jobs than 200 jobs.

[Damn, I saw now the same joke...
I thought it was so original...]
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 01:13 AM   #10
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Better than no jobs.
Better than 200 cooks.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 02:25 AM   #11
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Better than no jobs.
Get real.

Pure PR move. That's all.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 07:27 AM   #12
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Better than no jobs.
True. Plus, Apple has lots of employees in the US, from entry level (their retail stores) to well-paying (their headquarters). It's a start. It isn't as if we have a long history of manufacturing consumer electronics in this country.

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Is cook trying to score brownie points with Washington?
Probably, as is just about every other CEO of a big company. There is a lot of rhetoric (from both sides) about companies "shipping jobs overseas," and this is one way to blunt that criticism.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 10:47 AM   #13
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Better than no jobs.
I'm not so sure. We don't do manufacturing very well. China does. In order to increase the world's overall economic standing, specialization of labor dictates that China ought to continue producing computers while the US continues providing to the world what we're best at-- design, engineering, that sort of thing. Basic economics.

Besides, since our factories would be highly automated and require only 200 workers to run, whereas the Chinese factories aren't and require, say, 1000 workers to do the same thing, moving jobs here is actually cutting a significant number of jobs, from a global perspective.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 11:06 AM   #14
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Better than no jobs.
Political & symbolic move by Apple. Nothing more, nothing less.

Those manufacturing jobs were never here to begin with. Thus we never lost them. Manufacturing was down 7% last month. Our country is completely and utterly broke. Consumption and Credit rule the day. Look at whose funding the credit, where the money comes from, how much of it is provided by government. The US government funded $114 billion of the total $156 billion in total consumer debt in the past year alone. And people are getting excited over 200 jobs LOL. Some of you really have no clue as to what's coming.

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Those of you throwing accolades at Apple for 200 jobs crack me up. This is nothing more than a PR stunt and if you can't recognize that than you're even more delusional than I thought.
Exactly!!!

Cook meets with Obama, poof 200 jobs created.

Remember piss poor economics makes for great politics, & great economics makes bad politics.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 12:30 PM   #15
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Better than no jobs.
Yeah, jobs uber alles!

But seriously, why is it better than no jobs? Do you really believe, there will EVER be enough jobs for everyone who´d like to have one?
No way.
We don´t need jobs, we need life quality. And that quality should not depend on having a job or not.
Because there will never be enough of them. And where is the use of people applying for jobs they don´t really want only because they HAVE TO?
Just give them money to live and those who want more will find jobs they really like to do.
Motivated people are more effective anyway.
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Old Dec 8, 2012, 04:20 PM   #16
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These kind of discussions are usually filled with emotions and patriotism.

All without thinking through the various stages of the supply chain, each step providing jobs one way or another.

There are American workers in Cupertino, who work on these projects,
administrators in purchasing, accounting, sales service for these products

There are American customs clearance officers, workers unloading freight, freight forwarders, truck drivers, distribution center employees, sales people
etc.etc.

The world has become an interlinked place and corporations have the goal to make money. So, they buy where it's cheapest!

So, do the consumers.

It should all so be made clear that the world is overpopulated and there just cannot be enough jobs for everybody.
(Deduct the unwilling and incapable. Overall a small percentage)

The business climate in USA actually hinders manufacturing. Tax structures,
employment laws, zoning , environmental, education.

With ever changing technology and products the smart thing to do is not own and run a factory, but pay somebody for it.

If it's really 200 jobs, it's not better than nothing. It is nothing!

Until the fundamentals of manufacturing in the US are not changing, this will remain a PR stunt.

Apple can play a role in changing the fundamentals, but over 30 years of letting things slide by industries and governments (i.e. the people) cannot be reversed in a hurry with 200 jobs.

If one analyzes why manufacturing was lost to other countries it will become clear that too many hurdles for manufacturers were put up.

Why hassle with having a factory, when you can sell the same product made
some place for the almost same margins.

Assembly line work is hard work. (I happen to be in the contract industry) and
any time something is hard in America, people want to turn to somebody whom they can blame for the situation.

Any assembly line worker who manages to make money with 2 or even 3 jobs, spouse working too wants to make sure that her/his child has a better life.

So, guess what? They do not want their children to become assembly workers.

There are so many facets to this issue that it cannot all be discussed in this forum.

Rarara, jobs for America is not the solution.

Americans have over decades become consumers who don't want to sweat, get dirty and if at all possible want to have somebody else do the work.

Americans want to "service" or "manage" , be creative, run businesses, yet the base (as in education) is lacking.

The so called craftsmen, contractors employ are in the majority from other countries, the harvests in many parts of the country is brought in by the latinos
and working with ones hands as an American is not as widespread as it should.

When there is a task that requires physical labor, Americans need a machine.
When it gets hot they need air conditioning, etc.etc.

OSHA help, I had to bend three times in a row and now my back hurts.

Workers who come here from other developing countries are not spoiled and will do whatever a job requires.

This entitlement generation will not work on assembly lines!

People just be honest. Which of you posters would?

But, I am sure you'll want other Americans to do that.

It's good for Americans to get manufacturing jobs?
Would be nice, if they wanted them at the prevailing wages.

Even there the States and government can't agree.

The entire system has so many flaws that I find it funny that we expect Apple to be the cure all, just because it is(for the moment) a successful company.
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Better than no jobs.
No, in fact it's worse.
Cook say "we got to do this" and the "do this" is a whopping 200 jobs. He doesn't give a rats ass about us, thats not his job. HIS reason for being is not changing the world, and his shtick doesn't include even a hint of altruism. It's bottom line this, bottom line that. No decision he makes doesa damn bit of good except for him and the shareholders. Everyone goes home with a happy-touchy-feely feeling when it just delays the inevitable. And the inevitable I shudder to imagine.

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If Apple brings all the manufacturing back to the USA, the stocks will drop like hell, so they are doing it slowly. Next year 200, then 500, then in 2020 we may have almost everything homemade.
Pbbbt. As long as there are no penalties for using the buck-a-day laborers to make our ******, Nobody will bother. Change tariff law like Brazil did, then come and chat.
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Look at it for what it is. A cost effective PR campaign. During the election season, Apple got a lot of bad press for manufacturing in China. This is a good argument against that because now Apple will be able to say that they created manufacturing jobs in the US and it will get them good media coverage.
Very good PR indeed - They can now say "Some of our products are made right here in the USA!"
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Very good PR indeed - They can now say "Some of our products are made right here in the USA!"
More like assembled in USA.
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Look at it for what it is. A cost effective PR campaign. During the election season, Apple got a lot of bad press for manufacturing in China. This is a good argument against that because now Apple will be able to say that they created manufacturing jobs in the US and it will get them good media coverage.
Nailed it! While I agree 200 is better than none at the end of the day it's still a Chinese company (Foxcon) and most of the money is still sent back to China.

And here I am typing this on my iPhone and my MacBook Air is sitting next to me.
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Golly, 200. Whoop-e-do. /s

Foxconn is like a million.
its start at least!
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190 of which will be security guards

10 people will operate the automated machinery
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It's not much, but at least it's a start. Hopefully as time goes on we will see more progress on this.
Poor unemployed people in China disagree with you. Anyway, this is the very definition of "token".

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I'm hopeful it is a factory of Robots, like Steve Jobs originally wanted for the Mac and build for the NeXT.

Things have improved dramatically in the past 20 years. Imagine what $100M could do towards improving robotic assembly.

There will never be major manufacturing back in the USA. Steve Jobs was right-- those jobs are gone for good.

So long as we have people like Obama, and even George Bush (who failed to roll back any significant amount of regulation or socialism when he was in office) the USA will simply not be competitive.

Hell, Obama is running around talking about lots of "jobs" created *in government*. Every government job is detrimental to the economy because the money to pay that worker has to come out of the legitimate economy.

Figure, every $10,000 in salary and overhead for a government worker eliminates one job in the private economy.

But most americans are not taught economics in school, or even critical thinking, so they swallow the funny money economics of the political class hook line and sinker.

Just try getting one to admit that regulations and government forcing unions on people have destroyed the manufacturing sector-- but they're out of work so they still cry about jobs going overseas.

Never will occur to them that one causes the other!
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I'm hopeful it is a factory of Robots, like Steve Jobs originally wanted for the Mac and build for the NeXT.

Things have improved dramatically in the past 20 years. Imagine what $100M could do towards improving robotic assembly.

There will never be major manufacturing back in the USA. Steve Jobs was right-- those jobs are gone for good.

So long as we have people like Obama, and even George Bush (who failed to roll back any significant amount of regulation or socialism when he was in office) the USA will simply not be competitive.

Hell, Obama is running around talking about lots of "jobs" created *in government*. Every government job is detrimental to the economy because the money to pay that worker has to come out of the legitimate economy.

Figure, every $10,000 in salary and overhead for a government worker eliminates one job in the private economy.

But most americans are not taught economics in school, or even critical thinking, so they swallow the funny money economics of the political class hook line and sinker.

Just try getting one to admit that regulations and government forcing unions on people have destroyed the manufacturing sector-- but they're out of work so they still cry about jobs going overseas.

Never will occur to them that one causes the other!
I think you're taking the blame off regular Americans here, the kind that feel they are too good to work in a factory.
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