Time machine or Carbon Copy Cloner?

[bobright]

I'm a new soon to be Mac owner just want to get some opinions why one over the other? Pros cons of each?

I'm hoping to settle on a backup method that I can do say once a month manually, don't really want to have a external drive hooked up at all times to my machine.

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by bobright

I'm a new soon to be Mac owner just want to get some opinions why one over the other? Pros cons of each?

I'm hoping to settle on a backup method that I can do say once a month manually, don't really want to have a external drive hooked up at all times to my machine.

The most significant difference is CCC will make a bootable backup, which TM can't. That means if your primary drive dies, you can simply boot from the clone, rather than restoring or reinstalling anything. It also can do incremental updates, to keep the clone current. You can backup manually or on a schedule, or have it update every time the external drive is connected. I use CCC for all backups, but many also like TM.

[Dduval]

I would go with carbon copy for your needs. Time machine defaults to hourly backups, which I hate. There are 3rd party apps that can change the default frequency of time machine, that would be up to you.

The latest version of carbon copy cost some bucks, but the old version is still free I believe and works with the latest version of mountain lion.

FYI

[ChrisMan287]

I'd choose CCC or SuperDuper! over TM. I personally use SuperDuper! but only because it's faster (for me).

I had TM then formatted my external so I could use it to make a bootable back up. I feel that a bootable clone is more essential and important to have, especially with my older Mac.

[hfg]

I find CCC to be very useful for creating, well, bootable clones of your current configuration, and well worth the price now being charged.

However, there is value to Time Machine as well, as it keep a "historical" backup allowing you to "roll back" to a previous generation file, folder, or even your entire system. You can't do that with a "snapshot" clone which always shows only your current state. I don't find the hourly incremental backups intrusive at all ... I usually don't even know it is performing one as it normally only takes a minute or so.

I use both.

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by hfg

However, there is value to Time Machine as well, as it keep a "historical" backup allowing you to "roll back" to a previous generation file, folder, or even your entire system. You can't do that with a "snapshot" clone which always shows only your current state.

CCC can do the same thing with incremental backups and archiving.

[hfg]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

CCC can do the same thing with incremental backups and archiving.

Does it automatically do the archiving, or is that manually done by the user?

I was unaware of that capability, how is that done?

Thanks,


-howard

[flynz4]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

CCC can do the same thing with incremental backups and archiving.

While CCC does archiving... it is really not the same as TM versioning. As far as I know... you cannot really "turn back the clock" *EASILY*. The old files may be there... but to recreate back to a specific date is difficult and probably error prone.

Having said that... I love CCC, and have been a happy user for years.

My suggestion for backup is as follows:

1. Time Machine for local backups and versions
2. Crashplan+ for offsite disaster recover
3. CCC to make a bootable backup (if needed)

Additionally, I use CCC to make extra copies of my media (photos, music, videos) across a pair of external drives. I have CCC set up to automatically perform a backup when I attach them to the iMac. I periodically (usually after big projects) update one, and rotate it with the one in my desk drawer offsite. I view this as a last resort offsite backup just in case my house burns and Crashplan goes out of business coincidently.

/Jim

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Originally Posted by mchoffa

Making a lot of changes to files every day I love time machine... love being able to scroll backward in the GUI in a finder window, seeing the version of say an illustrator or photoshop file I wanted before I started making changes and just pulling it forward to current time. I've also had to do more major restores and loved that I could pull from whatever time and day was before I started seeing problems (I had a drive that was dying and I was backing up corrupted files).

I realize some things CCC does better because it makes an exact (bootable) clone, and can do incremental, but time machine is beautiful and does its magic in the background without any thought at all, and is especially useful now that I can choose more than one backup device.

Maybe use both. Time machine in the background, CCC for weekly cloning?

+1

/Jim

[bobright]

I have a question about these backups be it Time machine or CCC. If I have a backup clone from either one, would I be able to pull say my iTunes music collection and mp3s out of a backup? Is a Mac needed in order to boot from the backup then I would pull the files off it if I'd like? Say the iMac died on me and I wanted to transfer my iTunes to a windows PC

It's probably safe to say if I'm backing up even though the backup would have my iTunes music...it's probably better to still save the music by itself outside of the backup?!

[boto]

Originally Posted by bobright

I have a question about these backups be it Time machine or CCC. If I have a backup clone from either one, would I be able to pull say my iTunes music collection and mp3s out of a backup? Is a Mac needed in order to boot from the backup then I would pull the files off it if I'd like? Say the iMac died on me and I wanted to transfer my iTunes to a windows PC

It's probably safe to say if I'm backing up even though the backup would have my iTunes music...it's probably better to still save the music by itself outside of the backup?!

Yes, CCC will backup all of your iTunes Media files and sync the exact same information as your previous computer assigned. The only thing you need to do is authorize the new computer and you practically have the exact same layout and settings as before. Also, I would personally use CCC for best compatibility for most applications, settings, files, and whatnot. Time Machine does not backup everything, whereas CCC does. The only issues that I've come across with CCC is apps with serials, such as the Adobe suite, Little Snitch, and Maya, but it's natural since it is licensed and protected (These all need to be reinstalled or inputted with a serial). In addition, Java is another, although it is a plugin, as well as Apple software updates.

[bobright]

Originally Posted by boto

Yes, CCC will backup all of your iTunes Media files and sync the exact same information as your previous computer assigned. The only thing you need to do is authorize the new computer and you practically have the exact same layout and settings as before. Also, I would personally use CCC for best compatibility for most applications, settings, files, and whatnot. Time Machine does not backup everything, whereas CCC does. The only issues that I've come across with CCC is apps with serials, such as the Adobe suite, Little Snitch, and Maya, but it's natural since it is licensed and protected (These all need to be reinstalled or inputted with a serial). In addition, Java is another, although it is a plugin, as well as Apple software updates.

So would I be able to pull my iTunes music mp3s off a backup (without running the boot up is what I'm saying)? Like say I'd want to just grab my iTunes music folder out of a backup and copy it over to say a windows machine is that possible?

[flynz4]

Originally Posted by bobright

So would I be able to pull my iTunes music mp3s off a backup (without running the boot up is what I'm saying)? Like say I'd want to just grab my iTunes music folder out of a backup and copy it over to say a windows machine is that possible?

It seems that you want "syncing" instead of "backup". While the lines can be blurred between the two... a best practice is to separate the two. Develop a great backup system... and use dedicated tools for syncing.

/Jim

[bobright]

Originally Posted by flynz4

It seems that you want "syncing" instead of "backup". While the lines can be blurred between the two... a best practice is to separate the two. Develop a great backup system... and use dedicated tools for syncing.

/Jim

Yeah, regardless if all my music is in a CCC backup it's best to probably just keep another set of my music some place else by itself since you can't pull it from a backup. Is the backup just one big ISO image file?

I have another question, I know the backups pick up files notes or whatever addition as you add stuff to your Mac, but what if you delete stuff? Does it delete it accordingly on your backup as well? If so that is just awesome.

[Bunker]

I had been hit few times with disk crashes just when I am about to make a backup from the last of 20+ days before.

Learning my hard and painful lesson, I am mixing Time Machine Backup with CCC to get the best of both.

I am using NAS and Time Machine backup my Mac over WiFi to the NAS. So it always happen quietly on the background as long as I am around the NAS's network.

The "quietly backup behind the scene" is very important because it's human to forget the backup or think "it won't happen to me".

Using the NAS approach, you don't have to be reminded about plugging a disk into your machine and start backing up.

TM has all the versions I need when I really mess up with some files.

CCC on the other hand, is used sparingly to clone my entire drive. I need to remember to plug in my external drive each time for me to clone the drive.

When my disk crash or Mac broke down (spill coffee on keyboard) and I am in hurry to have a system to use, I can bring the CCC clone drive to another Mac, boot it up and I am off on my work. Problem is files on the clone drive may not be up to date.

[GGJstudios]

Originally Posted by bobright

So would I be able to pull my iTunes music mp3s off a backup (without running the boot up is what I'm saying)? Like say I'd want to just grab my iTunes music folder out of a backup and copy it over to say a windows machine is that possible?

Yes, you can pull any selection of files or folders from the CCC backup. It looks exactly like the drive that was cloned. It's not stored in an individual backup file. Browsing and accessing the backup with Finder is no different than browsing and accessing your internal drive.

Originally Posted by bobright

It gets ugly as in that folder can get filled up if you delete too much stuff and can muck up a backup? I like that Time Machine can revert back to a certain date, does the latest backup reflect deleted stuff though?

If you are archiving older versions of files with either TM or CCC, you need space for those backups and they will grow in size over time. It won't "muck up" a backup.

Originally Posted by bobright

It's good to have that option to still save stuff you deleted but at the same time if its things like pictures with bad lighting or songs I don't like or want on iTunes...I don't really want to have those in my bootable backup.

While you can select what does and doesn't get backed up, you can't specify not to backup a photo if it has bad lighting or a song because you don't like it. You can specify not to backup a picture or music folder, but not selectively backup based on your human-thinking criteria.

[bobright]

Originally Posted by GGJstudios

While you can select what does and doesn't get backed up, you can't specify not to backup a photo if it has bad lighting or a song because you don't like it. You can specify not to backup a picture or music folder, but not selectively backup based on your human-thinking criteria.

I know right what I am talking about is if I simply deleted a bunch of bad photos I didn't want anymore. If I were to "clone" my machine at its current state without said photos I don't want anymore and deleted. I'd want my clone to reflect that and not have these photos I've deleted...it looks like from what you and Jim are saying that'll be the case. The clone will have files you either added to your machine or won't have stuff you deleted e.g photos songs at that current time it's cloned.

Then on the other hand like Jim said the TM backup method gives you the option to roll back to a date and then you would see these photos/songs before you deleted them at a certain point think I've got it understood