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Old Dec 12, 2012, 01:56 PM   #1
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Intel's 'Haswell' Desktop Processors Detailed for Spring 2013 Launch




VR-Zone shares (via Engadget) what is claimed to be a leaked list of Intel's first wave of "Haswell" desktop processors. The 14 new chips are expected to debut in the spring of 2013 and will build new architecture on top of the 22-nanometer process used in the current Ivy Bridge chips.

Haswell will bring a number of enhancements to Intel's chip lineup, including faster performance and significant integrated graphics improvements delivered by the new Intel HD 4600 graphics package.

The Haswell desktop chips are likely to only make their way into Apple's iMac family, as the Mac mini uses mobile chips while the Mac Pro takes advantage of Xeon-branded server chips. Still, progress on Haswell sets the stage for further improvements to Apple's just-redesigned flagship desktop Mac, and mobile chips that will power most of the rest of Apple's Mac lineup should follow relatively soon after.

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Old Dec 12, 2012, 01:59 PM   #2
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These will be even more competent graphics wise in the mobile line, which is important for the Air as playing games on it won't be so laughable an idea anymore.

edit: I should also point out that Haswell isn't 14nm. It's a tick, so it's still 22nm. Broadwell is the tock, and it's 14nm.

Generally, if the architectures share some part of their name ("Well", "Bridge", "Sky") it's a process change and the architecture is (relatively) constant.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 02:13 PM   #3
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These will be even more competent graphics wise in the mobile line, which is important for the Air as playing games on it won't be so laughable an idea anymore.

edit: I should also point out that Haswell isn't 14nm. It's a tick, so it's still 22nm. Broadwell is the tock, and it's 14nm.

Generally, if the architectures share some part of their name ("Well", "Bridge", "Sky") it's a microarchitecture change and the process is constant.
I think you've got that the wrong way around. Sandy bridge -> ivybridge was a process change not a micro architecture change.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 02:16 PM   #4
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I think you've got that the wrong way around. Sandy bridge -> ivybridge was a process change not a micro architecture change.
Yeah, thanks. I swapped it.

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Ivy Bride showed the limitations of 22nm.
How?
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 01:59 PM   #5
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guess i can wait a few more months for an imac
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 02:05 PM   #6
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guess i can wait a few more months for an imac
Something tells me you'll be waiting a lot longer than that!
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 03:38 PM   #7
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Something tells me you'll be waiting a lot longer than that!
Correct. Haswell should appear in 2Q of 2013, and Apple waits usually >= 6 months before they use the CPUs in new Macs.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 04:28 PM   #8
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Correct. Haswell should appear in 2Q of 2013, and Apple waits usually >= 6 months before they use the CPUs in new Macs.
What makes you say that? Ivy Bridge was released in late April and was in Macbook Pros by mid-June.

I'm really hoping for early summer Haswell Macbook Pros. It's not 'less performance, better power consumption' as some people have suggested. It is projected to have a marginal processing bump with vastly improved graphics to rival mid-low end discrete GPUs and lower power consumption.

Considering the HD4000 is basically the reason I'm holding off on a new 13" Macbook Pro, I'm really looking forward to Haswell.
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Haswell isn't that big of a deal as far as the iMac goes. It'd be nice if you were dead set on getting the 21" rev with the integrated GPU, I guess But overall, Haswell is only a modest spec bump as far as desktops are concerned.

Like guy said above, it's in laptops like the Air where it truly shines. Much better battery life, an integrated GPU good enough to be considered a decent mid-line contender without chewing up any power. It's all good. Potentially, a Haswell MBA could equal and surpass a current 13" MBP without sacrificing much of anything.

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Broadwell, which I believe is the rev where Intel will be focusing all their attention on GPU performance.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 05:25 PM   #10
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Haswell isn't that big of a deal as far as the iMac goes. It'd be nice if you were dead set on getting the 21" rev with the integrated GPU, I guess But overall, Haswell is only a modest spec bump as far as desktops are concerned.

Like guy said above, it's in laptops like the Air where it truly shines. Much better battery life, an integrated GPU good enough to be considered a decent mid-line contender without chewing up any power. It's all good. Potentially, a Haswell MBA could equal and surpass a current 13" MBP without sacrificing much of anything.

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Broadwell, which I believe is the rev where Intel will be focusing all their attention on GPU performance.
This!! Haswell is what you are going to want in your laptop, not so important for an iMac. I will upgrade my 2011 MBA when Haswell is out.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 03:08 PM   #11
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guess i can wait a few more months for an imac

Indeed.

Now we'll get some real performance out of those rMBP betas.

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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but there is an i7 quad core with 35W TDP in the list. As far 35W is the limit Apple has set (themselves) for the Processor of the 13" Macbook Pros. I can see a quad core 13" MBP and rMBP coming

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Old Dec 12, 2012, 03:16 PM   #13
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How about a Sandy Bridge-E in Mac Pro. I would buy that. I don't need a server cpu.
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Old Dec 12, 2012, 03:29 PM   #14
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I caught the Intel Mobile Y Series at the end of the last Intel thread. I also forget that something like this would be news for MacRumors. I would have submitted it two days ago, d'oh!

Anyways, Xbitlabs and some others are pointing to an APRIL 2013 release. Geez, Ivy Bridge was not around for long. But keep in mind these are going to be the mainstream desktop LGA 1150 chips. I have not seen a mention of mobile yet.

I will be on the bandwagon for a new system come tax time and I am glad I waited for Haswell!

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How about a Sandy Bridge-E in Mac Pro. I would buy that. I don't need a server cpu.
Maybe when Ivy Bridge-E is out.
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How about a Sandy Bridge-E in Mac Pro. I would buy that. I don't need a server cpu.
Some of them are shared between workstations and servers. When you say "server cpu", do you mean EX/E7 as those are specifically for servers and have no Sandy Bridge equivalent. Otherwise they're shared to a degree.


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I have not seen a mention of mobile yet.
If Apple takes their usual path, they'll keep selling Ivy imacs until mobile Haswell becomes available, as they tend to release notebooks first. Desktop Ivy was out first this time too. I don't think they meant to release the imacs this late. It's likely that they intended to debut them at the mini event with immediate availability. With how much they were delayed they could have probably pushed the redesign off to Haswell. That may have also allowed for a panel update, although I haven't looked at what LG has been making that would allow for a decent sRGB configuration. Some of the 10 bit panels could probably be locked to that assuming a fairly even distribution of hardware values, although dithering seen in some of them suggests that this isn't the case.
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Don't know if this has been mentioned, but there is an i7 quad core with 35W TDP in the list. As far 35W is the limit Apple has set (themselves) for the Processor of the 13" Macbook Pros. I can see a quad core 13" MBP and rMBP coming

Awesome!!!
Apple could've easily given this years rMBP 13 a proper quad core 35 watt CPU this year here. But they have to defend that profit margin and give you a reason next year to upgrade to Haswell
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Wouldn't it be weird if Apple put the top of the line Haswell in a new Mac Pro ?

Anybody know if you can have dual or triple quad cores in Haswell ?
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Wouldn't it be weird if Apple put the top of the line Haswell in a new Mac Pro ?

Anybody know if you can have dual or triple quad cores in Haswell ?
These are quad-core standard. I'm sure their Xeon line will go hexacore and probably even octocore.

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What's after Haswell?
Endswell (kidding)

It's broadwell.
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Why no Haswell for Macbook Pros?
I'm patiently waiting for Haswell so that I can invest in a rMBP 2nd gen with Haswell in 2013... or is that wishful thinking?
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Why no Haswell for Macbook Pros?
I'm patiently waiting for Haswell so that I can invest in a rMBP 2nd gen with Haswell in 2013... or is that wishful thinking?
That's my plan, depending on the ability of the integrated graphics to drive the screen.
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These are quad-core standard. I'm sure their Xeon line will go hexacore and probably even octocore.



Endswell (kidding)

It's broadwell.
Nope. They've got 4 and 6, not 8.

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Will Haswell make much of difference for my needs? I use my computer for facebook, email, twitter and listening to iTunes. I occasionally edit photos in iPhoto from my iphone.
It will, yes.
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Wouldn't it be weird if Apple put the top of the line Haswell in a new Mac Pro ?

Anybody know if you can have dual or triple quad cores in Haswell ?

I5 and I7 processors can only be used in Single Proc systems. Xeon's have the ability to have multiple physical procs. QPI is needed

What's after Haswell?
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Farewell
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Wouldn't it be weird if Apple put the top of the line Haswell in a new Mac Pro ?

Anybody know if you can have dual or triple quad cores in Haswell ?
I think you are asking if you can put more than one Haswell processor onto a motherboard. The answer is no, at first.

Even worse: you couldn't put more than one Sandy Bridge into a motherboard until Sandy Bridge had been out for a full year. Ivy Bridge has now been out for nearly a full year, and you still can't put more than one into a motherboard. The trend is clear: Intel multiprocessors will now ship a full year after each architecture is introduced. As a result, the Mac Pro will permanently be stuck a year behind on architecture.
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