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Old Dec 14, 2012, 01:39 PM   #1
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Rough Road ahead for Apple

Low Blow for Apple-
Shares are tanking and Apple has lost 25% of its value in less than 120 days, ipad sales forecasts are being cut, China's market for ios is stalling, and Apple just had a slew of patents invalidated (which includes the crucial 'Steve Jobs' patent for multitouch, graphical user interface), and recently lost a US Federal court case for patent infringment against a Maryland based compay partially owned by Sony and Nokia regarding its camera, and the way the ios devices handle and reject calls.


for more info see:
Apple's shares swallow biggest loss in four years | Reuters
Apple's Crucial Patent for Multi-Touch Invalidated
Apple loses case to patent licensing firm MobileMedia Ideas
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 03:47 PM   #2
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 04:18 PM   #3
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Minor wrinkles for a company worth $623 billion.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 05:40 PM   #4
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I really, really hope Apple hits (or at least, gets close to) rock bottom at some point soon. Maybe then they can become the innovative company they once were, instead of their current model of making very small, incremental improvements in existing products and raking in the cash.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 06:09 PM   #5
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I really, really hope Apple hits (or at least, gets close to) rock bottom at some point soon. Maybe then they can become the innovative company they once were, instead of their current model of making very small, incremental improvements in existing products and raking in the cash.
You know this whole Apple isn't innovating meme is getting pretty tiresome. What exactly is "small, incremental" in your world? And how does one define innovation anyway? To me making a phone with a bigger screen isn't any more innovation than making a phone that's incredibly thin and light but still contains amazing technology. But to some people bigger screen is all that matters.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 09:06 PM   #6
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again; I really, really hope Apple hits (or at least, gets close to) rock bottom at some point soon. Maybe then they can become the innovative company they once were, instead of their current model of making very small, incremental improvements in existing products and raking in the cash.
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You know this whole Apple isn't innovating meme is getting pretty tiresome. What exactly is "small, incremental" in your world? And how does one define innovation anyway? To me making a phone with a bigger screen isn't any more innovation than making a phone that's incredibly thin and light but still contains amazing technology. But to some people bigger screen is all that matters.
SkyBell has a point though. Apple's success has made them stagnant in making wow factor products. The only way they're going to be the Apple they once were is if they do hit rock bottom and are forced to innovate once again. The bigger they are, the harder they fall. Hope that's not the case again.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 09:33 PM   #7
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You know this whole Apple isn't innovating meme is getting pretty tiresome. What exactly is "small, incremental" in your world? And how does one define innovation anyway? To me making a phone with a bigger screen isn't any more innovation than making a phone that's incredibly thin and light but still contains amazing technology. But to some people bigger screen is all that matters.
What brought Apple back from the brink not-so-long ago? Those crazy colorful and forward-thinking computers called, "iMac" and "iBook" as the foundation, built upon and expanded by that little music player called an "iPod." Next, we had a laptop that took building material to a whole new level, made of titanium, then aluminum called the "PowerBook G4". And who can forget that undeniably unique lamp, known as the "iMac G4". Hell, I'll even include that device that pretty much changed its' entire market, known as the "iPhone." These are just a few examples, and that's not even touching upon the software side of the equation.

Whatever happened to this Apple? Whatever happened to the company that could completely blow us over with radical new designs and forward-thinking features? Nowadays, we get a faster processor here, a marginally nicer screen there, maybe a slight design tweak or two sporadically thrown in. Software that is either playing catch-up to the competition, is poorly designed or quite frankly, completely unnecessary.

In my opinion, Apple's success has gone to its head... several times over. They no longer have a need to be the best they can be, because everyone knows them, and is willing to settle for less-than amazing. They have billions in the bank; why would they take a crazy risk on something new, when their currant line up is a massive cash cow as it is?

Throw them back to gutter where they once were, and maybe then, and only then, would they have real reason and need to aspire to the creativity and (excuse the horrible cheesiness) magic they showed us just a few short years ago.
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Old Dec 23, 2012, 02:11 PM   #8
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How about changing the icons which have remained the same since iOS launch in 2007. Changed everything to Windows 8 and realized how boring Apple has become. I am a six years Mac user and have had every gadget Apple has produced for last 6 years.

Love my Dell XPS 27 Touch, My Surface and Nokia 920. The Nokia 920 is miles ahead of the iPhone 5 which has just been put up in kijiji for sale. Sold my iPad 2 and my surface kills that toy pad.

Please dont tell me about the lack of apps as most people use 20 to 30 max and most of the important ones are there or coming soon. I have not used windows in 6 years but once i tried Win 8, this touch concept is the future & good job by them. You need a good ergonomic machine to enjoy touch on the desktop, the machine need to fold or articulate which the dell does.

Apple = Snooooozzzzzeee!!!


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You know this whole Apple isn't innovating meme is getting pretty tiresome. What exactly is "small, incremental" in your world? And how does one define innovation anyway? To me making a phone with a bigger screen isn't any more innovation than making a phone that's incredibly thin and light but still contains amazing technology. But to some people bigger screen is all that matters.
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Old Dec 15, 2012, 03:26 AM   #9
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Minor wrinkles for a company worth $623 billion.
Wrong. Apple is only worth $480 billion now. It has seen a major drop in worth over the past couple of months because the Apple fad is dieing.
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 06:33 PM   #10
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Low Blow for Apple-
Shares are tanking and Apple has lost 25% of its value in less than 120 days, ipad sales forecasts are being cut, China's market for ios is stalling, and Apple just had a slew of patents invalidated (which includes the crucial 'Steve Jobs' patent for multitouch, graphical user interface), and recently lost a US Federal court case for patent infringment against a Maryland based compay partially owned by Sony and Nokia regarding its camera, and the way the ios devices handle and reject calls.


for more info see:
Apple's shares swallow biggest loss in four years | Reuters
Apple's Crucial Patent for Multi-Touch Invalidated
Apple loses case to patent licensing firm MobileMedia Ideas
I think half the people pushing the Apple is doomed mantra are shorting Apple stock. The same people will be shouting how Apple is poised to do well after they finish shorting the stock. At that point, they will start going long when they can buy a lot of Apple stock cheap (i.e market manipulation).
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Old Dec 14, 2012, 08:58 PM   #11
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I think half the people pushing the Apple is doomed mantra are shorting Apple stock. The same people will be shouting how Apple is poised to do well after they finish shorting the stock. At that point, they will start going long when they can buy a lot of Apple stock cheap (i.e market manipulation).
Already the clowns on CNBC are saying APPL is a great buy for 2013.
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Old Dec 15, 2012, 08:01 AM   #12
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I think half the people pushing the Apple is doomed mantra are shorting Apple stock. The same people will be shouting how Apple is poised to do well after they finish shorting the stock. At that point, they will start going long when they can buy a lot of Apple stock cheap (i.e market manipulation).
That is the pattern. For example, the OP created his account yesterday to spam the group with a sampling of the current batch of manufactured gloomy spin.
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And the OP has only one post and this be it........ hmmmmm
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Old Dec 16, 2012, 12:30 AM   #14
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And the OP has only one post and this be it........ hmmmmm
What, you have a problem with my '"1st" post?
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What, you have a problem with my '"1st" post?
Really.............
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Low Blow for Apple-
Shares are tanking and Apple has lost 25% of its value in less than 120 days, ipad sales forecasts are being cut, China's market for ios is stalling, and Apple just had a slew of patents invalidated (which includes the crucial 'Steve Jobs' patent for multitouch, graphical user interface), and recently lost a US Federal court case for patent infringment against a Maryland based compay partially owned by Sony and Nokia regarding its camera, and the way the ios devices handle and reject calls.


for more info see:
Apple's shares swallow biggest loss in four years | Reuters
Apple's Crucial Patent for Multi-Touch Invalidated
Apple loses case to patent licensing firm MobileMedia Ideas
This may mean that the hype is going away. Hype only made Apple a worse company than it was in the past. This may be a good thing for consumers after all. Apple will struggle to make shares worth more, and that means trying to please consumers more. It was going to happen anyway. The price of the shares went up very fast, and too much. Now it's time to go down.

Apple will not become a smaller company, with less employees, nor will it lose market share due to the shares hitting a lower price. Microsoft was once the biggest tech company in the world, and its products were crap back them. It has much better products right now that its equity value is perhaps 25% of what it has been one day.

Apple may be the largest company by market cap, but that's not real. That's just hype and speculation. It's not the real world. Apple is not the largest company in the world, nor the largest tech company. It is just a very successful and profitable company, with a small range of products that sell very well. And it will remain being that no matter the price of its shares. This information is relevant only to investors, not to consumers.
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Low Blow for Apple-
Shares are tanking and Apple has lost 25% of its value in less than 120 days, ipad sales forecasts are being cut, China's market for ios is stalling, and Apple just had a slew of patents invalidated (which includes the crucial 'Steve Jobs' patent for multitouch, graphical user interface), and recently lost a US Federal court case for patent infringment against a Maryland based compay partially owned by Sony and Nokia regarding its camera, and the way the ios devices handle and reject calls.


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Apple's shares swallow biggest loss in four years | Reuters
Apple's Crucial Patent for Multi-Touch Invalidated
Apple loses case to patent licensing firm MobileMedia Ideas
So you mean Apple is now the same as Samsung, Microsoft, HP, Dell, etc etc etc.

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I think half the people pushing the Apple is doomed mantra are shorting Apple stock. The same people will be shouting how Apple is poised to do well after they finish shorting the stock. At that point, they will start going long when they can buy a lot of Apple stock cheap (i.e market manipulation).
Bingo. Look Apple isn't perfect, no company is...but Apple's fundamentals from a financial/stock standpoint are head and shoulders above all the rest...without question. All this "Apple is doomed...blah blah blah" only proves that the mindless herd movement is alive and well.
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... China's market for ios is stalling, ...
iPhone 5 launch results in new weekend record for Chinese market
Apple's push into China is making some inroads, as indicated by the iPhone 5 launch in China this past weekend. The company announced Monday morning that it sold over 2 million iPhone 5 handsets in greater China in the last three days—a new record launch in that market for Apple.
Other manufacturers would kill to have such "stalling".
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