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Old Dec 18, 2012, 05:23 PM   #1
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Instagram's 3rd Strike

I'm going to give more thought to the use of this service. I really like it too. But this is the 3rd strike against this service if they go through with it.

Don't know how this would affect my account, but it I have to wonder if "the internet" is blowing this out of portion in the usual manner. If they are truly going to let 3rd parties use my photos to create ads without my consent or notify when they use my photo in an ad, this is a deal breaker.

Strike 1 - being bought out my Facebook. It always happens "we'll keep the service the same", but it was just a matter of time.

Strike 2 - breaking Twitter card features. Just as Apple and Google should play nice, so should Twitter/Instagram for the sake of the user experience. This was just plain childish.

Strike 3 - change in the ToS. If they go through with it, I'm out as for as a "portfolio" in which I was using it for. I probably just keep a BS one and just post photos of food & dog.
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Old Dec 18, 2012, 05:25 PM   #2
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Strike 1 - being bought out my Facebook. It always happens "we'll keep the service the same", but it was just a matter of time.
This was strike 3 for me.
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Old Dec 18, 2012, 06:51 PM   #3
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I'm going to give more thought to the use of this service. I really like it too. But this is the 3rd strike against this service if they go through with it.

Don't know how this would affect my account, but it I have to wonder if "the internet" is blowing this out of portion in the usual manner. If they are truly going to let 3rd parties use my photos to create ads without my consent or notify when they use my photo in an ad, this is a deal breaker.

Strike 1 - being bought out my Facebook. It always happens "we'll keep the service the same", but it was just a matter of time.

Strike 2 - breaking Twitter card features. Just as Apple and Google should play nice, so should Twitter/Instagram for the sake of the user experience. This was just plain childish.

Strike 3 - change in the ToS. If they go through with it, I'm out as for as a "portfolio" in which I was using it for. I probably just keep a BS one and just post photos of food & dog.
I was out the moment the Facebook deal was announced. Tried Flickr, but now I'm on 500px. A much better portfolio presentation. I'm curious as to how Instagram worked for you. Using it as a portfolio that is. How you used it, client procurement, etc. Thanks in advance!
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Old Dec 18, 2012, 07:19 PM   #4
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I always thought of Instagram as a turd polisher and never really used it. All the same I deleted my account and app in protest of Facebook's 'let's see what we can get away with' approach to T&Cs.

It also got me thinking that people who post images to which they don't own the copyright are likely to be in serious legal problems if the image were to be sold.
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Old Dec 18, 2012, 10:34 PM   #5
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I personally wouldn't put my images on instagram but it seems like they changed the policy (and also that it reflects what they wanted to do all along). http://blog.instagram.com/post/38252...were-listening They won't be using the images themselves for ads but rather data from them. The Verge also has a nice write up: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/3...ey-really-mean

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of people who are serious about the ownership of their pictures outta there. I would actually like to see flickr come back in popularity. It just needs a bit of tidying up. If flickr gets traction back with the more serious photogs, I wouldn't be surprised to see Facebook tie up Instagram closer to Facebook (and then ask themselves why the balls they paid 1B$ for photo filters).
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Old Dec 19, 2012, 02:01 AM   #6
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Instagram and the very concept of Instagram is analogous to putting lipstick on a pig.
Never used it, always hated the photos it made, much prefer a DSLR or even the default iPhone camera over it.
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Old Dec 19, 2012, 09:42 AM   #7
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I personally wouldn't put my images on instagram but it seems like they changed the policy (and also that it reflects what they wanted to do all along). http://blog.instagram.com/post/38252...were-listening They won't be using the images themselves for ads but rather data from them. The Verge also has a nice write up: http://www.theverge.com/2012/12/18/3...ey-really-mean

Either way, I wouldn't be surprised to see lots of people who are serious about the ownership of their pictures outta there. I would actually like to see flickr come back in popularity. It just needs a bit of tidying up. If flickr gets traction back with the more serious photogs, I wouldn't be surprised to see Facebook tie up Instagram closer to Facebook (and then ask themselves why the balls they paid 1B$ for photo filters).
It appears kind of disingenuous that Instagram/Facebook back peddled on this after the huge uproar in the media about this issue claiming that it was all a misunderstanding and that the instructions were a "little confusing" and that they were sorry about it. Well, when you're talking about HUGE bucks involved in this arrangement, I'm sure they didn't go to legal zoom.com to write up the ToS. They and their lawyers knew exactly what they were doing and IMO purposely made it vague. Makes one want to be cautious in dealing with someone who wants to do business like that.
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Old Dec 19, 2012, 01:46 PM   #8
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It also got me thinking that people who post images to which they don't own the copyright are likely to be in serious legal problems if the image were to be sold.
This could be a cause for a huge headache. I don't religiously use Instagram, but I have an account and the app on my phone. I can't tell you how many times I have seen people posting images of stuff that aren't their own.

The app is too hipster for me. Nowadays I simply just browse my newsfeed. But there is only so many baby and dog pictures you can take.
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Old Dec 19, 2012, 10:06 AM   #9
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I was out the moment the Facebook deal was announced. Tried Flickr, but now I'm on 500px. A much better portfolio presentation. I'm curious as to how Instagram worked for you. Using it as a portfolio that is. How you used it, client procurement, etc. Thanks in advance!
I used it for my street photography (now deleted). I was going to use it as a place for high school seniors to look at "senior" photos for the upcoming season (I'm starting a side business for the first time), because I thought it's a cool place where kids hang out online. But I don't want my photos in ads without permission.

Even Instagram's response doesn't clear things up - it's obvious they want the photos to be used in ads. If it's just my profile pic, that's one thing. But actual photos, that they make money off of and I don't, is another.
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Old Dec 19, 2012, 11:09 AM   #10
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The back pedaling seems disingenuous. Just because the way they acted I'll delete my account. The heck with it. I barely used it anyway.
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Old Dec 19, 2012, 11:15 AM   #11
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Given FB's history, photos and privacy, I'm surprised Instagram tried to do this. It's not like they didn't have lawyers that wouldn't have warned them of the backlash.
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Old Dec 19, 2012, 11:30 AM   #12
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Given FB's history, photos and privacy, I'm surprised Instagram tried to do this. It's not like they didn't have lawyers that wouldn't have warned them of the backlash.
It's not the lawyers' job to worry about that. Why should they care? FB paid $1 billion for Instagram, and now they need to turn it into a revenue stream somehow. This would seem to be an obvious move on their part. As it is, I don't post my photos to FB.
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This is interesting not because it was brought up but because some time ago, let's say 4-5 years ago or sooner I looked over what people were building up with one of the big three (3) storage photo sites. I noticed that in the fine print they had a very similar thing posted and yet everyone was more than ok with the terms. I never did get into one of them because of this and at any time they could change terms at the drop of a hat leaving people to scramble.

There is always something in the fine print sooner or later where free or nearly free becomes non-existant and people loose what has helped to build up said offerings…I think Apple set this standard as did a few other companies back about ten (10) years ago, maybe more.
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