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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:24 PM   #1
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Nest Thermostat Now Available in Apple Retail Stores




Apple is now carrying the Nest Thermostat in its retail stores through the United States and Canada. The development comes as Apple has been carrying it online for several months.

The Nest thermostat is priced at $249.95 in the U.S. online store and is just one of a number of products featured in Apple's App-Enabled Accessories section. The thermostat can be controlled via a free universal iOS app [App Store], with access to controls also available through web browsers.
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The Nest Learning Thermostat helps you stop wasting energy, while providing control using your iPhone, iPad, iPod touch, or Mac. Consider that your thermostat controls about half your energy bill--more than TV, appliances, and lighting combined. But it's wasting energy every time it turns on the heating or cooling system in an empty house. The Nest Learning Thermostat solves this problem by programming itself, turning itself down when you're away, and keeping track of your energy use.
Apple features a number of such app-enabled products in its stores, including the iGrill cooking thermometer and Withings blood pressure monitor and body scale.

Article Link: Nest Thermostat Now Available in Apple Retail Stores
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:26 PM   #2
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Do want, but cannot justify the price.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:30 PM   #3
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Do want, but cannot justify the price.
I am hearing that it is well worth the price because it pays for itself over time. When I moved into my house I bought two run of the mill thermostats for a combined total of $125. (I have two separate units) I bought something that could be programmed but it is as basic as I could get and still have programming. The damn things don't even have lights, which as I found out are quite handy.

I don't know how quickly they pay for themselves but I think the ROI happens within the first year. For something that should last for a very long time, I am not sure the price is all that high. The initial cost is a bit of a "sticker shock" I am sure.
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I don't know how quickly they pay for themselves but I think the ROI happens within the first year.
Never. Unless somebody doesn't know how to work their heating.
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Never. Unless somebody doesn't know how to work their heating.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're wrong. Actual owners suggest otherwise.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:31 PM   #6
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Do want, but cannot justify the price.
Way too much when the competition is 1/5 the price.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:33 PM   #7
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Meh. Has no real place in an Apple store as far as I can see. I'd expect to see it in my local DIY/Home Improvement shop however.
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Way too much when the competition is 1/5 the price.
What else is out there? Serious question.

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Meh. Has no real place in an Apple store as far as I can see. I'd expect to see it in my local DIY/Home Improvement shop however.
They sell it online, why not in-store? Especially if they want to reach a wider user base? People don't automatically know to go to the Apple online store and search for thermostats.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:42 PM   #9
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I have a programmable thermostat which can be programmed for 4 different settings each day. I don't remember exactly what I paid for it, but I know it was less than $100 including installation by an HVAC professional...so if I could do it myself, it would have been less.

Serious question...what is the advantage of the NEST (aside from looking extremely cool ) over my thermostat?
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:53 PM   #10
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I hear ya. Lowe's had a special over the Black Friday weekend for $199. It was worth a second thought at that price, but still seems incredibly pricey at that level.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:39 PM   #11
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The Nest Learning Thermostat solves this problem by programming itself, turning itself down when you're away, and keeping track of your energy use.
How is this that much different than any other programmable thermostat that either comes with your house already or can be easily bought for less than $50? Set your thermostat once and you're pretty much done. The only time I need to go to my thermostat is when I want it a little warmer/cooler than the present temperature and I don't need an app to do that.
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How is this that much different than any other programmable thermostat that either comes with your house already or can be easily bought for less than $50? Set your thermostat once and you're pretty much done. The only time I need to go to my thermostat is when I want it a little warmer/cooler than the present temperature and I don't need an app to do that.
Are there other programmable thermostats that aren't just programmable but that can also give you a history of your energy usage (which, for example, may help in striving towards even greater efficiency)? I think that's part of the appeal, plus the fact that it's probably the most attractive thermostat on the market, which some people are willing to pay more for.

I'm still stuck with a manual thermostat myself and probably won't change--I just touch it a couple times a day. Down to 55 when I'm away, up to 60 or so when I'm home and maybe a few degrees warmer if I'm extra cold. You get used to it, and with seasonally appropriate clothing you'll be saving both money and energy, though I wouldn't complain if I thermostat could do this for me when I forget.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:53 PM   #13
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Had one for a couple of months, love it! well worth the price.
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going to use the insurance money i get from hurricane sandy to get myself one of these!
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 12:57 PM   #15
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Are there other programmable thermostats that aren't just programmable but that can also give you a history of your energy usage (which, for example, may help in striving towards even greater efficiency)? I think that's part of the appeal, plus the fact that it's probably the most attractive thermostat on the market, which some people are willing to pay more for.
I just look at my bill which gives me those stats. It's not an hour by hour usage, but it's all I need. If you think about it, when you're in the house you're going to have the thermostat set at the temperature which makes you comfortable, so no energy savings there. It's when no one is in the house that you want the temperature down. So just set your thermostat to a low temp when you're out of the house and that's that.
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I just look at my bill which gives me those stats. It's not an hour by hour usage, but it's all I need. If you think about it, when you're in the house you're going to have the thermostat set at the temperature which makes you comfortable, so no energy savings there. It's when no one is in the house that you want the temperature down. So just set your thermostat to a low temp when you're out of the house and that's that.
That's pretty much what this does - but it provides all of the advantages of a finely-programmed programmable with the ease of an old dial.

The other thing it does is it learns how long it takes your particular house to heat or cool between different settings. It then starts to adjust the 'on' time such that it is actually at the temperature you set when you set it. It even takes into account the external temperature in determining how long this will take.

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Out of curiosity, has anyone used a Nest in a home with floor heating? I'd love to buy one of these but curious if it adapts to the 2-hour lead-time needed for the concrete slab to actually heat up.
It will, but before you run out and get one, look into what the real recommendations are for your system. For modern efficient radiant systems, and especially high-mass systems like concrete slab, the benefits of setting your thermostat back may be negligible to none. You might be better off setting a temperature and leaving it.
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I just look at my bill which gives me those stats. It's not an hour by hour usage, but it's all I need. If you think about it, when you're in the house you're going to have the thermostat set at the temperature which makes you comfortable, so no energy savings there. It's when no one is in the house that you want the temperature down. So just set your thermostat to a low temp when you're out of the house and that's that.
If I set my house temp. low before I leave, it'll be running all day. It doesn't get 70F outside until later in the evening in Miami.

My buddy asked why I leave the temp. at 80F when I'm out of the house, and I told him so I'm not running AC all day, so now we're wondering, does it cost more to leave it at 80F and then turn it on when we get home, or leave it running all day. Only reason we ask is because if it's 90F out, and 80F is still hot, we'd like to be around 74F usually, so it would take the house that much longer to get to 74F. Where as, if we kept it running all day it'll keep it at 74F and that's that.
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so now we're wondering, does it cost more to leave it at 80F and then turn it on when we get home, or leave it running all day. Only reason we ask is because if it's 90F out, and 80F is still hot, we'd like to be around 74F usually, so it would take the house that much longer to get to 74F. Where as, if we kept it running all day it'll keep it at 74F and that's that.
The fact that you even wonder makes me weep for the quality of the American education system. Americans have no analytic abilities anymore.

I suppose if you were going away for a month, the answer would be obvious to you, but why is 8 hours or 2 hours any different. When it's 90 outside, why would leaving it at 80 somehow be more efficent than turning it off but leaving it at 74 is less efficient? Is the system on for more hours keeping it at 80 all day or brining it from 90 to 80?

The only reason it makes sense to leave it at 80 all day is if the system takes too long getting the temp back down to something comfortable (and then you're still wasting energy to reduce your wait to be comfortable), which is a preferential choice everyone can make for themselves.
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How is this that much different than any other programmable thermostat that either comes with your house already or can be easily bought for less than $50? Set your thermostat once and you're pretty much done. The only time I need to go to my thermostat is when I want it a little warmer/cooler than the present temperature and I don't need an app to do that.
By and large, it's not much different than a properly programmed programmable thermostat. In practice, there are some differences.

First, this is obviously a premium product, and you are paying for that. That's ok - if you have a well decorated house and the thermostat is prominent, that matters to some.

Mostly though, this is intended to be as user-friendly as possible. This starts with the installation - which they go to great lengths to make this do it yourself for the vast majority of people. As compared to the instructions for a regular thermostat, this is a huge improvement. Second, it is not a programmable thermostat in the traditional sense (although it can be used that way) - it is a learning thermostat. After you install it, you set your temperatures as normal for a couple of days. From that it learns your basic schedule. It has a proximity sensor so it knows if you are home, and adjusts accordingly. It learns your habits, and continues to adjust over time.

It's of course wi-fi connected, which allows you to interact with it from anywhere - which also greatly aids any configuration you want to do so. You can set your thermostat back when you go away for a few days (or it will automatically), and turn it on remotely on your way home. It shows how much time you system is running every day to help you monitor energy usage.

Finally, perhaps the biggest thing is that it offers all of that complexity in a device that is in general, as simple to use as any old-style dial thermostat. Turn the dial and set the temperature and you will get most of the benefit of the thermostat without doing anything else.

That answer the question?
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By and large, it's not much different than a properly programmed programmable thermostat. In practice, there are some differences.

First, this is obviously a premium product, and you are paying for that. That's ok - if you have a well decorated house and the thermostat is prominent, that matters to some.

Mostly though, this is intended to be as user-friendly as possible. This starts with the installation - which they go to great lengths to make this do it yourself for the vast majority of people. As compared to the instructions for a regular thermostat, this is a huge improvement. Second, it is not a programmable thermostat in the traditional sense (although it can be used that way) - it is a learning thermostat. After you install it, you set your temperatures as normal for a couple of days. From that it learns your basic schedule. It has a proximity sensor so it knows if you are home, and adjusts accordingly. It learns your habits, and continues to adjust over time.

It's of course wi-fi connected, which allows you to interact with it from anywhere - which also greatly aids any configuration you want to do so. You can set your thermostat back when you go away for a few days (or it will automatically), and turn it on remotely on your way home. It shows how much time you system is running every day to help you monitor energy usage.

Finally, perhaps the biggest thing is that it offers all of that complexity in a device that is in general, as simple to use as any old-style dial thermostat. Turn the dial and set the temperature and you will get most of the benefit of the thermostat without doing anything else.

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I'll add to that, as I was one of the original owners of the Nest when it was introduced. I bought it because it had two things that I wanted for years in a programmable thermostat, and could not understand why nobody had tried to make it before: First, ease of use. Second, a display that can be easily read in a dark hallway or room (seems minor, but it's been a pet peeve of mine on every thermostat I've owned for 25 years.) Most programmable thermostats are either stupid, difficult to navigate through and program, or both. Nest not only make programming extremely easy, either at the thermostat itself, on your iOS device or on your internet connected computer, but it also learns from your habits.

So, you hook up your Nest, then spend a few days adjusting the temps to what's comfortable to you. Let's say you wake up at 6, and turn the thermostat up from 65 to 70 while you're making coffee. Do this for about three or four days, and Nest learns your habits, and adjust itself to automatically turn itself up at 6. But that's not all. On Saturdays and Sundays you don't get up until 7:30. A few days of that, and Nest will know not to turn itself up on weekends until the later time. Then, if your schedule changes Nest will adjust. So if you start getting up at 5 on weekdays, Nest will learn from that, and change it's schedule on its own.

Nest also keeps track of the weather in your area, and adjusts itself constantly to maximize efficiency based on that weather.

I've looked at the "competition" and there frankly isn't any. I would assume that anyone who is on this site uses Apple products, and does so because they realize that great products are worth a little more money. Nest is a great product, and is worth every dime.
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How is this that much different than any other programmable thermostat that either comes with your house already or can be easily bought for less than $50? Set your thermostat once and you're pretty much done. The only time I need to go to my thermostat is when I want it a little warmer/cooler than the present temperature and I don't need an app to do that.
You know, if you only spent 10 minutes reading about the thermometer, you could save yourself the trouble of writing such an embarrassing clueless post. You don't know a thing about it, and you write junk like this. I know this is asking a lot, but do ten minutes of reading before opening your mouth.
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Lowes does carry them. I have had mine for about an year now. I have version one which is a bit thicker than the new version two unit. Both are running the same version of software as they are updated.

What is really nice is that it has a ten day rolling report of your energy usage, letting you know when you use energy. I have found it has saved money and has probably paid for itself by now.
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I live in the UK, and want one of these baaaaaad.
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I live in the UK, and want one of these baaaaaad.
..and you will have one soon. All that needs to happen is for one of the staff to change the $ to and and you're golden. 249.99, yes that's each!
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