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Old Dec 21, 2012, 06:25 PM   #1
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48FPS 3D - At Home? - Projectors?

I am curious - does anyone know the logistics of making at home ways to watch 48FPS 3D movies?

I currently run my setup with an Epson projector and love it - I know there are plenty of 3D projectors.

How long will it be until consumers can buy projectors or TVs that support 48FPS 3D content?

I know the current BluRay spec doesn't support it - so will we need an update there or will it be a digital download only format at the beginning of this new format?

Any feedback or thoughts - I think as the years go on more and more 3D films will be shot in HFR - Avatar 2/3 I think is going that way.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 09:42 PM   #2
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I'm assuming it would need the whole gamut of hardware upgrades -- BD and TVs, maybe HDMI spec and/or receivers.

I'm guessing this won't be too big of a thing yet because there are only about 500 theaters capable of showing this and only one movie has been shown. Plus the reviews were quite mixed, even though I thought it looked good.

As far as being a digital download option, I don't think any of Apple's displays are 120Hz yet. I can notice a huge difference between watching movies on my computer and the 120Hz TV. Whether it's practical for computers and iDevices is beyond my knowledge base, but I figure that would be needed first.
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Old Dec 21, 2012, 09:57 PM   #3
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The reason why you see such a large difference on your TV is not just because of the 120hz feature. While this is certainly helpful, the real reason for such a large change is that your TV comes with software that essentially cleans up the movie/tv show as you watch it. Think of it as a "de-noise" program that optimizes the video for your tv every time you watch it.

Also, you will most certainly need a new projector at a bare minimum to play the new 48FPS content. Blu ray players may survive with just an update, but thats not really known at this time.
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Old Dec 22, 2012, 01:37 AM   #4
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Is what you describe what Samsung calls MotonPlus or something like that? I know the picture is ridiculously clear compared to other video devices I have.
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Old Dec 22, 2012, 03:22 AM   #5
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Is what you describe what Samsung calls MotonPlus or something like that? I know the picture is ridiculously clear compared to other video devices I have.
It is the same kind of idea, but what you are talking about is LCD interpolation. Movies have always been filmed and presented in 24 frames per second in the past. The new Hobbit movie is the first to be shot and presented in 48 FPS, doubling the frame rate and therefore providing smoother picture (much like your Samsung).

The difference here, is that the actual source is in 48FPS. Currently when you buy a blu ray or DVD movie it is still encoded and presented in 24 FPS. Your Samsung TV takes those 24 frames and interpolates them, which is a fancy way of saying that it "guesses" on frames to go in the middle. This often works, but can also end up looking unnatural and weird.

The OP is asking whether or not his current home projector will support this new 48 FPS standard or not. All of us with LCD TV's should have no problem with the higher frame rate, as LCD and Plasma TV's have a native refresh rate of up to 60hz (or 60 frames per second). All it will require is a software update.

So you are sort of on the right track, but it is not the same thing.
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Old Dec 22, 2012, 08:14 AM   #6
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The real question is why would you want to watch it that way even if you could? 24FPS looks better. I hope HFR does not catch on.
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It is the same kind of idea, but what you are talking about is LCD interpolation. Movies have always been filmed and presented in 24 frames per second in the past. The new Hobbit movie is the first to be shot and presented in 48 FPS, doubling the frame rate and therefore providing smoother picture (much like your Samsung).
I wouldn't be gunning to watch that filmed at 48 just yet. I saw the Hobbit and yes it was very clear and amazing but the sped up motion made me crazy. I am floored that Jackson did that. Knowingly it seems. Not just the pans, which were bad enough, but when people were moving. Ugh. I can only hope that there were enough negative comments about that to make Jackson go back and rework it before the home video releases. And not do it in the other two.

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Any feedback or thoughts - I think as the years go on more and more 3D films will be shot in HFR - Avatar 2/3 I think is going that way.
Is not just 3D. I work in the industry and the current move is HFR and high frame size if only to have more data for image stabilization, motion smoothing, even slowing down fight scenes etc a little to make them easier to see without the puke effect.

What Jackson did isn't really that shocking to many of us in my corner of things, just the director decisions he made with how he used the tools is shocking. And to me disappointing, as I said earlier. Reminds me of how some directors are so in love with 3D they did post production conversions and didn't have the balls to not release it because it looked like a dog turd.

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As far as being a digital download option, I don't think any of Apple's displays are 120Hz yet.
I don't believe they are. But Apple could be working on one that is 120 or even higher and because that is 'tv quality' folks are thinking its a TV and not just a souped up Cinema Display with 1-2 bigge sizes.

And then with h.265 on the horizon we have a better shot at file quality without a huge increase in overhead
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