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Old Dec 23, 2012, 05:12 AM   #1
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Sony DSC-RX1

Hello All,

Am Pretty Excited with this new camera, Just wondering any ownership experiences until now? Have read pretty much all reviews but still prefer to look at ownership reviews,

Am gonna have to beg and beg for this as a birthday gift, but lets keep fingers crossed I can manage to beg well enough!

Would Appreciate any feedback from any users?

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Old Dec 24, 2012, 12:24 AM   #2
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A full-frame compact is by far one of the most ludicrous camera concepts. It produces good photos, but completely goes against the idea of a compact camera for the masses.
Compact cameras are supposed to be an all-in-one solution, take-anywhere general purpose cameras. And here you have a 2 1/2" thick camera, which is as thick as my Rebel T2i mind you, with no optical zoom capability, no interchangeable lens, etc.

Here's my rule of thumb. If it's thicker than a Leica, it's not compact. Never mind the lens on Leicas, as pretty damn thin ones exist, like the Super Triplet Perar 28mm f/4 which is practically a body cap.

And the RX1 is almost twice as thick as a Leica. It's hardly a compact camera.

For the same price you could get a D600 or 5D Mark II with a much, much better lens than the one found on the RX1.
Not to mention better image quality and autofocus.
Or any of the NEX cameras with a good lens works too.

It makes good images, but really, why would anyone want this camera when there's just so many better options out there?
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Old Dec 24, 2012, 08:08 AM   #3
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There are currently 23 user reviews on amazon.com. I've not read them, but no doubt a few will be from the pro-Sony crowd, a few from the anti-Sony crowd and the rest from people that have actually used/owned the camera!

I like the concept and spec of the camera, but there is no way I'll pay that much for it. I think it is great a manufacturer has created such a camera, as I think there is a demand for it from at least part of the photographic community (it is certainly not a camera for everyone). I for one would love a smaller bodied, high quality, full frame camera like the Sony to carry around instead of a big SLR and lenses - especially if the price was halved and the lens was a 28-80mm f2.8-f4 zoom, but I fear I'm dreaming Who knows, technology has a very strong habit of providing more for less cost over time...
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Old Dec 25, 2012, 05:03 PM   #4
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What if you get dust on the sensor? What if you scratch the lens?

I bought a Sony RX100 - and it was delivered with dust on the sensor so I sent it back. The experience reminded me of the foolishness of paying this sort of money for an all in one camera with no possibility of user maintenance.

There are lots of other great cameras out there.
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Old Dec 25, 2012, 09:39 PM   #5
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A full-frame compact is by far one of the most ludicrous camera concepts. It produces good photos, but completely goes against the idea of a compact camera for the masses.
It's not meant to be a compact camera for the masses, it is aimed at a niche. It's Sony's take on the Fuji X100 with a full frame sensor instead of a crop sensor. Back in the film days, there have been plenty of similar cameras, e. g. Rolleiflex' twin-view dslrs with fixed lenses, Yashica T-series cameras or Nikon's 35 Ti. The RX-1 is definitely a niche camera, but the concept is not unheard of.
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For the same price you could get a D600 or 5D Mark II with a much, much better lens than the one found on the RX1.
Not to mention better image quality and autofocus.
From all the reviews I've seen, it seems to be a capable camera: the optics is top-notch and also the sensor delivers on image quality. I don't think you can get a »much, much better lens«, simply because the RX-1's lens is apparently no slouch. You're right about the AF, though, but this is an area where dslrs still hold a clear advantage compared to non-dslr cameras (save perhaps for the Nikon V-series, but that's another discussion). But for tasks where speed is not that much of an issue or size is more important, I don't think that matters as much. I also don't think money is an issue here, if it were, you'd probably get another camera (and probably not a full frame dslr either).

All being said, the RX-1 does not appeal to me, because personally, I don't like to compose photos on a rear lcd of a camera. However, I can see that this camera appeals to a certain crowd and Sony seems to have successfully executed the concept it had in mind (high-end compact with full frame sensor and great optics). But I get the impression from your post that just because that concept does not appeal to you, you think it's not a good camera.
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Old Dec 25, 2012, 10:11 PM   #6
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It's not meant to be a compact camera for the masses, it is aimed at a niche. It's Sony's take on the Fuji X100 with a full frame sensor instead of a crop sensor. Back in the film days, there have been plenty of similar cameras, e. g. Rolleiflex' twin-view dslrs with fixed lenses, Yashica T-series cameras or Nikon's 35 Ti. The RX-1 is definitely a niche camera, but the concept is not unheard of.

From all the reviews I've seen, it seems to be a capable camera: the optics is top-notch and also the sensor delivers on image quality. I don't think you can get a »much, much better lens«, simply because the RX-1's lens is apparently no slouch. You're right about the AF, though, but this is an area where dslrs still hold a clear advantage compared to non-dslr cameras (save perhaps for the Nikon V-series, but that's another discussion). But for tasks where speed is not that much of an issue or size is more important, I don't think that matters as much. I also don't think money is an issue here, if it were, you'd probably get another camera (and probably not a full frame dslr either).
Actually, it's not even in the same niche market as the X100. That would more be the RX100, with its rather large but not full frame sensor.
The RX1, I'd say, is a product which doesn't belong to any niche. Sort of like the original MacBook Air. It's a capable camera which uses the same sensor as the D600, with a decent 35mm f/2 lens, but it's too ridiculously priced. And if money is not an issue why not just go for a Leica M8 or other more versatile cameras?
I don't know, the RX1 never made sense to me. As a product it's too impractical. As a technological feat, great you can put a full frame in a compact! But then the fact that the same full frame sensor could be in entry-level DSLRs instead struck me, and I couldn't understand why they'd rather have it in a compact than a DSLR, especially when the latter is more geared towards professionals and enthusiasts.
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Old Dec 26, 2012, 02:20 AM   #7
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Actually, it's not even in the same niche market as the X100. That would more be the RX100, with its rather large but not full frame sensor.
The X100 is nothing like the RX100, the two cameras have not been built around same concept: fast prime lens coupled to a large sensor, appealing to people who are/were interested in rangefinder-style cameras. The X100 has a 1.5x crop sensor while the RX100 has a compact-sized sensor (1 inch) and the RX100 has a zoom lens.

The RX1, several earlier Leicas (e. g. the X1 and X2), Sigma's DP-series and the Fuji X100 all follow this playbook.

Personally, I am really tempted by the X100-style concept and I don't want my camera to handle like a point and shoot. I don't see it as a replacement for my dslr, it augments it. I own a Sigma DP1 alongside my dslr (a Nikon D7000 with a few lenses), and I shoot very differently with it.
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It's a capable camera which uses the same sensor as the D600, with a decent 35mm f/2 lens, but it's too ridiculously priced.
Again, according to the reviews I've seen, the lens-sensor combo of the RX1 delivers what it promises.
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But then the fact that the same full frame sensor could be in entry-level DSLRs instead struck me, and I couldn't understand why they'd rather have it in a compact than a DSLR, especially when the latter is more geared towards professionals and enthusiasts.
Dslrs are not a replacement for smaller, mirrorless cameras (like the RX1, I'm not talking about ~$200 compact cameras here) -- and vice versa. It's not that one is geared towards professionals and the other is geared towards enthusiasts. I find smaller cameras more inconspicuous. Also, because less people think you're a »professional«, so they let things slide more often even if they notice you're taking a picture.

Eventually, I'd like to replace the DP1 with a X100/X200 (I can't afford the X-Pro 1 )
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Old Dec 26, 2012, 04:13 AM   #8
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The X100 is nothing like the RX100, the two cameras have not been built around same concept: fast prime lens coupled to a large sensor, appealing to people who are/were interested in rangefinder-style cameras. The X100 has a 1.5x crop sensor while the RX100 has a compact-sized sensor (1 inch) and the RX100 has a zoom lens.

The RX1, several earlier Leicas (e. g. the X1 and X2), Sigma's DP-series and the Fuji X100 all follow this playbook.
I was referring to the non-full frame sensor coupled with a fixed fast lens in a compact package, all while being affordable enough for the consumer.

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Again, according to the reviews I've seen, the lens-sensor combo of the RX1 delivers what it promises.
Yet again, for a ridiculous price.
I'm not disputing the fact that it's able to make superb images, in fact the RX1 is more than capable of doing so. It's just that at the price, it's too impractical.

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Dslrs are not a replacement for smaller, mirrorless cameras (like the RX1, I'm not talking about ~$200 compact cameras here) -- and vice versa. It's not that one is geared towards professionals and the other is geared towards enthusiasts. I find smaller cameras more inconspicuous. Also, because less people think you're a »professional«, so they let things slide more often even if they notice you're taking a picture.
This is far from small. Its total thickness is thicker than some DSLRs, which is why I'm drawing the comparison between it and DSLRs. Also because more people would benefit from a full-frame, entry-level sub-$1000 DSLR than a posh $2800 point-and-shoot, not to mention more profitable.
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And here you have a 2 1/2" thick camera, which is as thick as my Rebel T2i mind you, with no optical zoom capability, no interchangeable etc.
Zooms are for photographers who cannot compose a shot... Primes are for people who can.

I for one love the concept.. When I shot film, I would only ever go out with one lens.. Either a 50mm or 24mm.
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 09:26 PM   #10
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Zooms are for photographers who cannot compose a shot... Primes are for people who can.
Then again you can't shoot tight portraits with a wide angle and a landscape with a super telephoto.
Well, at least not without making the photos look somewhat bad, in most cases.
I'm all for primes forcing one to compose better, but sometimes multiple focal lengths are necessary, and a zoom lens is the most convenient way to do so.
Unless a camera comes out with a lens similar to the tri-elmar, which would be very interesting to see.
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Old Jan 2, 2013, 10:18 PM   #11
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Then again you can't shoot tight portraits with a wide angle and a landscape with a super telephoto
Prodo

Thanks a lot for all your time going to check the X-Pro1 or X-E1 by this weekend

Also X2 is out now did not like how one looks at images on the LCD they truly need to update the LCD

Will keep you posted if any more options come in but truly thanks considering you are not so find of the RX1 for your stated reasons and still helping me

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Old Jan 3, 2013, 11:54 AM   #12
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Without going off topic while I was trying the Leica X2 I also saw some of their D-lux camera and no offense to any owners but what in the world is that?

It did not feel like a Leica at all, or is it just leicas way of staying in volumes game? How does Leica even manage to sell them?
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Old Jan 3, 2013, 02:21 PM   #13
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RX1 provides a crop option which effectively gives you a longer focal length. The lens on the RX1 is nothing to pass over its a solid ziess 355 f2 with excellent coating. The sample images i've seen look amazing and bokeh is smooth. The X1Pro is another camera to look at but if like the 35mm focal length the Sony might be the way to go. The only concern i have with the rx1 is what happens if you accidentily scratch the lens. GG camera is now useless. And also the fight between zoom and primes is pointless. Some photography requires you to use zooms and some photography is better off with primes.
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Old Jan 6, 2013, 01:45 PM   #14
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RX1 provides a crop option which effectively gives you a longer focal length. The lens on the RX1 is nothing to pass over its a solid ziess 355 f2 with excellent coating. The sample images i've seen look amazing and bokeh is smooth. The X1Pro is another camera to look at but if like the 35mm focal length the Sony might be the way to go. The only concern i have with the rx1 is what happens if you accidentily scratch the lens. GG camera is now useless. And also the fight between zoom and primes is pointless. Some photography requires you to use zooms and some photography is better off with primes.

"camera is now useless"

Really?

http://www.lensrentals.com/blog/2008...ment-scratches
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Old Jan 26, 2013, 02:44 AM   #15
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Iso 12,800 crop from jpg high contrast bw



Iso 25600 same otherwise







Clearly portraits can't be done. It's super limited and should never be bought.
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Clearly portraits can't be done. It's super limited and should never be bought.
Ha! Well played.
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Old Feb 2, 2013, 05:10 PM   #17
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Wel, all that said, mine was returned.

The focal length was great for me, the missing vf was a bummer but not a deal breaker, the manual focus was well implemented except no waking without magnification, but the real deal killer for me was the slow af. For what I was hoping to shoot, it just needs to be faster.

I may end up getting one later if Sony can improve the af, but for now the nex does fine and the rx100 is a true pocket camera.

The rx1 is a lovely camera, it's just rev 1 and has rev 1 weirdness to it. If they can mate hybrid af to the nex, it really should have been in the rx1


I'm hopeful the x100s af is as good as it looks, because that's problem solved for me. If so.

If one is taking well planned shots its a great camera. For low light candid event shots, it's not.

The main reason however I returned mine was Sony support. I had to send in my rx100 for dust on the sensor (3 months old) and it convinced me very quickly I did not need to spend 3k on that level of support. It wasn't a disaster but it wasn't confidence inspiring.
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Old Feb 20, 2013, 05:16 AM   #18
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Many of these replies seem a bit bizarre

Perhaps some reading of reviews is required as well as hands on

the RX1 is simply the finest quality 35mm FF available in a tiny package. not to mention the silent shutter.

The handling is extremely good and the build is excellent. The lens is sharp sharp sharp from f2. The colours and micro-contrast are beautiful and distinctive Zeiss. The focus is plenty fast for 99% of my photography. Obviously you don't buy this camera for sports (although manual focus still works best for me for action).

Sure its expensive compared to a DSLR and lens, or a APS-C CSC, but none of these are the same thing.

Its a beautiful, unique, tiny camera with unsurpassed IQ. If you don't need the size, can't afford it or like the handling of another type of camera better thats absolutely fine, no issue. but by 99% of the accounts on the web this is a superb device
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