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Old Jan 22, 2013, 05:50 AM   #1
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BluRay Ripping, MakeMKV and Handbrake

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I have recently decided to rip all my BluRays to my HDDs for use with my media player. I have purchased an external Samsung SE-506AB and downloaded Make MKV and Handbrake.

When ripping the BluRay in MakeMKV the file size is ranging from 35GB to 45GB.

Now for me I want to maintain good quality, however to keep the files at the above size is just not an option. I am aiming for around 20GB to 25GB per movie.

I have had a look at Handbrake and to be honest I am totally BAFFLED!!!!

I really have no idea what I should be changing/selecting to achieve the above. Can someone point me in the right direction????

Also is 20GB to 25GB going to maintain good quality??

Thanks in advance for any help guys.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 05:57 AM   #2
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Hi guys

I have recently decided to rip all my BluRays to my HDDs for use with my media player. I have purchased an external Samsung SE-506AB and downloaded Make MKV and Handbrake.

When ripping the BluRay in MakeMKV the file size is ranging from 35GB to 45GB.

Now for me I want to maintain good quality, however to keep the files at the above size is just not an option. I am aiming for around 20GB to 25GB per movie.

I have had a look at Handbrake and to be honest I am totally BAFFLED!!!!

I really have no idea what I should be changing/selecting to achieve the above. Can someone point me in the right direction????

Also is 20GB to 25GB going to maintain good quality??

Thanks in advance for any help guys.
I use the same set up as you and for Handbrake I use the ATV3 preset. I get good quality video and audio with file sizes around 5GB.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 06:23 AM   #3
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I use the same set up as you and for Handbrake I use the ATV3 preset. I get good quality video and audio with file sizes around 5GB.
Thanks for the reply.

How does the quality compare to a BlueRay??

I'm a bit picky about image quality and as daft as it sounds I know I'll find myself looking for issues hence the reason I have targeted the larger file sizes of up to 25GB to be acceptable for myself.
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Thanks for the reply.

How does the quality compare to a BlueRay??

I'm a bit picky about image quality and as daft as it sounds I know I'll find myself looking for issues hence the reason I have targeted the larger file sizes of up to 25GB to be acceptable for myself.
What are you using to play back your files? If you are using an Apple TV you will lose probably 4GB+ just by converting the Audio to AC3 (since the ATV doesn't support DTS).

In terms of video quality, I have a hard time noticing any quality lost between a 30GB blu ray and a 12-15GB encoded file. It is all dependent on your TV, your method of playing the files, and your eyes.

I would just recommend selecting the ATV3 preset (if you are using the ATV) or the High Profile preset and adjust the CQ slider until you find the quality you are looking for.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 07:27 AM   #5
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What are you using to play back your files? If you are using an Apple TV you will lose probably 4GB+ just by converting the Audio to AC3 (since the ATV doesn't support DTS).

In terms of video quality, I have a hard time noticing any quality lost between a 30GB blu ray and a 12-15GB encoded file. It is all dependent on your TV, your method of playing the files, and your eyes.

I would just recommend selecting the ATV3 preset (if you are using the ATV) or the High Profile preset and adjust the CQ slider until you find the quality you are looking for.
Hi Pyromonkey83

The content is being played back on a WDTV Live. The TV is a 50" Panasonic plasma.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 07:35 AM   #6
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Hi Pyromonkey83

The content is being played back on a WDTV Live. The TV is a 50" Panasonic plasma.
You will be fine using the ATV presets. I use this on all my rips and have found the PQ outstanding. I have a 50" Elite and a 46' Samsung LED looks amazing on both, black levels much better on the ELITE
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Hi Pyromonkey83

The content is being played back on a WDTV Live. The TV is a 50" Panasonic plasma.
Never used a WDTV live before but it looks like you will be "limited" to the h.264 High@4.1 profile which means you can stream pretty much any blu-ray and it does support DTS. If you are looking for an encode that uses DTS audio, you will need to shrink the video bitrate by about 50%.

I would say try to throw an MKV into Handbrake, then make sure you are converting to MKV (Not MP4). For Video, change the CQ slider to around 17 or so. In audio, select DTS Pass-Thru (You can also have it downmix another audio track if you plan on playing it on other devices). Select Subtitles if you want them, and then start your conversion. I would imagine this will get you to the video quality and file size you are looking for (and still may be overkill).
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what are you using to play back your files? If you are using an apple tv you will lose probably 4gb+ just by converting the audio to ac3 (since the atv doesn't support dts).

In terms of video quality, i have a hard time noticing any quality lost between a 30gb blu ray and a 12-15gb encoded file. It is all dependent on your tv, your method of playing the files, and your eyes.

I would just recommend selecting the atv3 preset (if you are using the atv) or the high profile preset and adjust the cq slider until you find the quality you are looking for.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 08:24 AM   #9
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Thanks for the reply.

How does the quality compare to a BlueRay??

I'm a bit picky about image quality and as daft as it sounds I know I'll find myself looking for issues hence the reason I have targeted the larger file sizes of up to 25GB to be acceptable for myself.
I honestly cannot tell the difference unless I look really closely - perhaps if I did a side by side I might. But then again I am usually interested in watching the movie rather that trying to catch out for artifacts

I would say that for Video and Audio I'd give it 8-9 out of ten
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 09:44 PM   #10
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Hi guys

I have recently decided to rip all my BluRays to my HDDs for use with my media player. I have purchased an external Samsung SE-506AB and downloaded Make MKV and Handbrake.

When ripping the BluRay in MakeMKV the file size is ranging from 35GB to 45GB.

Now for me I want to maintain good quality, however to keep the files at the above size is just not an option. I am aiming for around 20GB to 25GB per movie.

I have had a look at Handbrake and to be honest I am totally BAFFLED!!!!

I really have no idea what I should be changing/selecting to achieve the above. Can someone point me in the right direction????

Also is 20GB to 25GB going to maintain good quality??

Thanks in advance for any help guys.
If you dont mind paying for some software theres 2 i found recently that will offer different copy methods such as "main movie" that only copies the actual movie i personally haven't used it yet but i did try and buy their blu ray creator software and so far im very impressed

http://www.dvdfab.com/blu-ray-copy-for-mac.htm

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If you dont mind paying for some software theres 2 i found recently that will offer different copy methods such as "main movie" that only copies the actual movie i personally haven't used it yet but i did try and buy their blu ray creator software and so far im very impressed

http://www.dvdfab.com/blu-ray-copy-for-mac.htm
This is the second sorry for not including..

http://www.leawo.com/blu-ray-copy-mac/
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 10:38 PM   #11
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lol. dvdfab, ya just can't make this stuff up.
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 04:41 AM   #12
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Hi guys

I have recently decided to rip all my BluRays to my HDDs for use with my media player. I have purchased an external Samsung SE-506AB and downloaded Make MKV and Handbrake.

When ripping the BluRay in MakeMKV the file size is ranging from 35GB to 45GB.

Now for me I want to maintain good quality, however to keep the files at the above size is just not an option. I am aiming for around 20GB to 25GB per movie.

I have had a look at Handbrake and to be honest I am totally BAFFLED!!!!

I really have no idea what I should be changing/selecting to achieve the above. Can someone point me in the right direction????

Also is 20GB to 25GB going to maintain good quality??

Thanks in advance for any help guys.
Hackers79, this is strange. The average size of my BluRay files after ripping using MakeMKV is 22.53GB and this is from a collection of 105 BluRay's so far of various lengths (1h 30m - 3h). This is even with keeping the lossless audio (DTS-HD MA/Dolby TrueHD) in them. When you are ripping them, are you checking all of the available audio selections/subtitles?
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 06:28 AM   #13
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Hackers79, this is strange. The average size of my BluRay files after ripping using MakeMKV is 22.53GB and this is from a collection of 105 BluRay's so far of various lengths (1h 30m - 3h). This is even with keeping the lossless audio (DTS-HD MA/Dolby TrueHD) in them. When you are ripping them, are you checking all of the available audio selections/subtitles?
Hi Robsta2142

No, I am only selecting the main title and the lossless audio. I did The Dark Knight last night and the file size of that MKV is 37.5GB.

This is really odd then if your's are that different??
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Old Jan 24, 2013, 10:29 AM   #14
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No, I am only selecting the main title and the lossless audio. I did The Dark Knight last night and the file size of that MKV is 37.5GB.

This is really odd then if your's are that different??
The file size will depend on the length of movie and how "complicated" it is. Action movies generate very large file sizes, particularly those that are nearly 3 hours long. A 100 min rom-com, on the other hand, is going to come in at 15 gigs.

There's no fixed file size for a movie.
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If you want 1080p, just use the AppleTV 3 preset. Produces great results, files are 5-8 GB in my experience. (I've spent the past couple days ripping my Blu-rays using that same set of tools.)

As for how large the MKV file is - as others have said, it varies wildly from movie to movie, and based on what you choose to rip. Some of my movies have the movie itself only take up 20 GB, and the special features another 10+ GB. I don't rip the special features, so that saves a lot of space.

If you're going for true "videophile" level quality, just use the MKV file. Any transcoding will reduce quality, so if you're for "quality above all else", then don't transcode.

If you're going to transcode to save space, you might as well use the "pretty darned good quality" setting that the AppleTV 3 preset provides. It saves a large amount of space, while preserving plenty of quality.

I used to dual-encode, one at 1080p, one at 480p, and use Subler to combine them into one "HD-SD" pair in iTunes, but now all of my devices can play 1080p, so I've stopped doing that. Now it's pure "AppleTV 3" preset for everything.

I play my movies on:
1. 47" HDTV in the living room, fed by a Windows Media Center PC over HDMI. 1080p "AppleTV 3" rips look great through Windows Media Center on this TV.
2. 21" Computer monitor in the bedroom, fed by an AppleTV 3 over HDMI. This monitor has crappy built-in speakers, but the picture is good enough, and we have better speakers when we want them. Obviously the AppleTV 3 preset works perfectly on it.
3. 20" iMac in the home office, the 1680x1050 resolution obviously doesn't make full use of a 1080p signal, but the picture is good enough I can't tell the difference between the Handbrake-created .m4v and the large MKV file.
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There's a lot of good advice in this thread so I'll offer just a few comments that haven't been said...

OP, aiming for a target file size is not really a great way to think about preserving video quality. In video compression, it's not so much the size of the file but the quality of the compressor. For example, I shoot a lot of AVCHD 1080p with a camcorder. A AVHHD video clip might be 1GB. However, I can convert it to prores and it might become 10GB. Is the picture quality 10X better in the latter? No, it's just the same.

You are correct in thinking about quality over minimizing file size however. And with this in mind, I would suggest using the HB "high profile" setting which is a little slower than the TV3 preset because it is doing a few extra things to retain quality at an even smaller file size. TV3 will play "high profile" files just fine.

I'm a bit of a max quality chaser myself, so I choose "high profile" and slide the CQ to 19 (from the default of 20). It's probably visual overkill (I'm not sure I can see the difference of 20 vs. 19) but the net file size difference is not enough to make me worry about the possible waste. End result, MKV files sizes of 25-35GB might be shrunk to 5-15GB. It's hard to see any difference from original to this version (for my eyes).

If maintaining the exact same quality as the BD is important, you have to keep the video portion of the file size "as is" and only downconverting the audio to DD. Then a 35GB MKV might be shrunk to only 32-33GB in the TV file. This would use tools like Subler and MKV tools instead of Handbrake.

In my experience though, Handbrake, High Profile, CQ=19 is an excellent default choice for the vast majority of conversions. File sizes are shrunk to about 25% of the original (but varies widely film to film) and quality seems to be just about the same.
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No, I am only selecting the main title and the lossless audio. I did The Dark Knight last night and the file size of that MKV is 37.5GB.

This is really odd then if your's are that different??
The Dark Knight you say?

Well unless I'm mistaken that movie is a lot longer than the 90 minute (1 1/2 hour) movie the other poster was commenting on... The Dark Knight is over 2 and 1/2 hours I think. ( 1 hour longer ) that should explain the larger file size you saw.

I remember because I just rewatched TDK and I commented about two hours in... 'Man this is a long movie'

Edit after rereading the post he did say the average file size after ripping 105 movies from 1.5 to 3 hours ...but I'd be willing to bet that a very large majority of those 105 were under 2 hours.

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The Dark Knight you say?

Well unless I'm mistaken that movie is a lot longer than the 90 minute (1 1/2 hour) movie the other poster was commenting on... The Dark Knight is over 2 and 1/2 hours I think. ( 1 hour longer ) that should explain the larger file size you saw.

I remember because I just rewatched TDK and I commented about two hours in... 'Man this is a long movie'

Edit after rereading the post he did say the average file size after ripping 105 movies from 1.5 to 3 hours ...but I'd be willing to bet that a very large majority of those 105 were under 2 hours.
The average film length was 1h 59m and 20 seconds lol. But yeah seriously the OP should just go ahead and rip all of his blu-rays and not do anything to them. They will average out at a file size that he wants and assuming his media player can decode the lossless audio and relevant video codecs he shouldn't have to do anything to them. If in the very rare instance all of his films happen to average at 3 hours long and 35GB size he can always transcode them afterwards to the desired size. No time wasted then.
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Can anyone recommend a slim blu-ray USB drive that has good ripping speed? I picked up a Samsung SE506BB that is supposed to read at up to 6X but in ripping several BD discs the fastest speed I have gotten out of it is 2.2X. My old monster tank of an LG drive can regularly rip at over 3X so the speed drop when going to the slimmer drive is painful.
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How are people getting most files at 5GB with the ATV3 Preset? I ripped the Town using that Preset which came in at 13GB...am I doing something wrong?

Also, is 30 min about the average time for MKV to copy a BD over? I have a 14X LG, and MKV is hitting 7.5x at its very highest with 4.5-5x being the average.
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How are people getting most files at 5GB with the ATV3 Preset? I ripped the Town using that Preset which came in at 13GB...am I doing something wrong?

Also, is 30 min about the average time for MKV to copy a BD over? I have a 14X LG, and MKV is hitting 7.5x at its very highest with 4.5-5x being the average.
Most of my BR's are around 10GB. I think 5GB is a very optimistic estimate for a BR. Most of my regular dvd's are around 1GB.

Your MakeMKV ripping time is not unusual.
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Most of my BR's are around 10GB. I think 5GB is a very optimistic estimate for a BR. Most of my regular dvd's are around 1GB.

Your MakeMKV ripping time is not unusual.
Ah, well that makes me feel better. My first rip was on Saturday, so this is all pretty new...today, Handbrake went from taking 2hrs to encode a movie (using ATV3 presets) to 56hrs...I can't figure out why/if it's normal/if I've done something horribly wrong.

I have the 2012 i5 IMac and handbrake is taking up 97% of my cpu resources according to iStat...I knew it would be high, but wasn't expecting it to be that high.
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Ah, well that makes me feel better. My first rip was on Saturday, so this is all pretty new...today, Handbrake went from taking 2hrs to encode a movie (using ATV3 presets) to 56hrs...I can't figure out why/if it's normal/if I've done something horribly wrong.

I have the 2012 i5 IMac and handbrake is taking up 97% of my cpu resources according to iStat...I knew it would be high, but wasn't expecting it to be that high.
First off, I think something is wrong if it's taking 56 hours. I have a 2009 duo core (so we're talking old) MBP. I transcoded the Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring EE, combining both BR's from the set into single mkv and it took a little over 24 hours to transcode to mp4 using Handbrake. You are using MakeMKV to generate the mkv that HB transcodes, right?

As for CPU usage, HB is designed to use as much CPU as is available. So 97% is pretty normal (and I assume you are talking 97% of total available CPU as you have multiple cores and it will use all of them). However, it plays very nice, so if you start running other programs, it will gladly give up the CPU they need to run properly (although sometimes just a tad slower).
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How are people getting most files at 5GB with the ATV3 Preset? I ripped the Town using that Preset which came in at 13GB...am I doing something wrong?

Also, is 30 min about the average time for MKV to copy a BD over? I have a 14X LG, and MKV is hitting 7.5x at its very highest with 4.5-5x being the average.
Make sure you have " large file size" un-ticked, but now that I'm ripping my Blu Ray stuff, I'm not using Handbrake much...MKV and another app I can't mention here seem to give me more control over the output. An example of a few recent rips are 3D wildlife and natural history stuff....they are not long about 47 mins. Each or around that...I get top quality ATV and IPad rips with file sizes of around 750MB.
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Make sure you have " large file size" un-ticked ...
Er, why ? It has no affect on the final file size. But does create a 64 bit mp4 which means it *can* be over 4GB. If you untick it and the mp4 is going to be over 4GB it will break the file upon muxing.

Leave it ticked.

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