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Old Jan 22, 2013, 07:22 PM   #1
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Do you guys feel that apple is losing their magic?

I'm an apple fanboy love the products, my room is filled with apple stuff.
But I've been thinking for a while now, when the iPhone 4 and ipad was introduced I was happy, I'm sure there were tablets out there but nothing like the ipad, or a phone that didn't match the iPhone 4.
But after the 4S and ipad 2 came out I began to think what's happening with apple? Numbers speak for themselves, millions of idevices sold. But to me, in my opinion I feel like apple is just milking its products, the 4S had Siri and a dual core processor and also a bump in ram I believe but that's it?? iPhone 5, nice design but yet looks like an iPhone 4 but taller. No big changes, new processor,better ram... Seems like I have to skip a generation to see a change. Same goes for ipad 2,3,4 same design except the 3 and 4 are heavier and have a speaker grill on the bottom right. Yes retina display and all. It's also been a while since Ive said " my phone can do this, yours can't" I don't know if its just me or does anyone also feel like this?
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In a way yes.

The iPhone was great when it came out. Now the so-called 'updates' are it being a bit longer. At least that's what they pushed on a commercial I saw.

The iPad mini, is a let down IMO. Completely underspeced and over priced. Yea it's selling well, but you know much of them are buying because of the name. Plain and simple.

Mac Pro hasn't seen an update in a loooong time. Same with the iPod Classic. Which is probably going to be discontinued. It's all about iOS now.

If Apple keep locking down their computers like they have been, I will either build a hackintosh or switch back to Windows. I refused to be locked in and not able to expand/upgrade. I realize it was always limited, in particular with the iMac, but it's getting crazy now. You HAVE to buy RAM from Apple now since they solder it in.

I used to be a fanboy, but ever since I ventured into other areas (Android, yea I said it to those who might get offended), I realize that there other and sometimes better (for me at least) options out there.

Time will tell to see how Tim Cook will lead Apple.

That or Apple is still the same and some are noticing the other options.
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In a way yes.

The iPhone was great when it came out. Now the so-called 'updates' are it being a bit longer. At least that's what they pushed on a commercial I saw.

The iPad mini, is a let down IMO. Completely underspeced and over priced. Yea it's selling well, but you know much of them are buying because of the name. Plain and simple.

Mac Pro hasn't seen an update in a loooong time. Same with the iPod Classic. Which is probably going to be discontinued. It's all about iOS now.

If Apple keep locking down their computers like they have been, I will either build a hackintosh or switch back to Windows. I refused to be locked in and not able to expand/upgrade. I realize it was always limited, in particular with the iMac, but it's getting crazy now. You HAVE to buy RAM from Apple now since they solder it in.

I used to be a fanboy, but ever since I ventured into other areas (Android, yea I said it to those who might get offended), I realize that there other and sometimes better (for me at least) options out there.

Time will tell to see how Tim Cook will lead Apple.

That or Apple is still the same and some are noticing the other options.
I have boot camp but if i were to choose definitely stay with Mac OS.
But this year for the first time I kinda switched, I got a GS3 and man on man, the tech is amazing. I really hate apples marketing, slap the apple logo in any product=sold out
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I'm an apple fanboy love the products, my room is filled with apple stuff.
But I've been thinking for a while now, when the iPhone 4 and ipad was introduced I was happy, I'm sure there were tablets out there but nothing like the ipad, or a phone that didn't match the iPhone 4.
But after the 4S and ipad 2 came out I began to think what's happening with apple? Numbers speak for themselves, millions of idevices sold. But to me, in my opinion I feel like apple is just milking its products, the 4S had Siri and a dual core processor and also a bump in ram I believe but that's it?? iPhone 5, nice design but yet looks like an iPhone 4 but taller. No big changes, new processor,better ram... Seems like I have to skip a generation to see a change. Same goes for ipad 2,3,4 same design except the 3 and 4 are heavier and have a speaker grill on the bottom right. Yes retina display and all. It's also been a while since Ive said " my phone can do this, yours can't" I don't know if its just me or does anyone also feel like this?
Nope

I don't expect drastic generational changes. A design for an iPhone or iPad should last two generations IMO.

The Retina MBP are awesome in design. Magic.

The iPhone 5 is an engineering marvel. Anyone can make an oversized phone. Few can make a slim phone that still delivers the goods.

I don't care about bragging about my phone. it now comes down to the artist to impress. Don't use the hardware as a crutch
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Nope

I don't expect drastic generational changes. A design for an iPhone or iPad should last two generations IMO.

The Retina MBP are awesome in design. Magic.

The iPhone 5 is an engineering marvel. Anyone can make an oversized phone. Few can make a slim phone that still delivers the goods.

I don't care about bragging about my phone. it now comes down to the artist to impress. Don't use the hardware as a crutch
"Retina MacBook Pro are awesome in desing. Magic."
Huh? Looks like the 13 MacBook Pro just slimmer... With a retina display
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Nope

I don't expect drastic generational changes. A design for an iPhone or iPad should last two generations IMO.

The Retina MBP are awesome in design. Magic.

The iPhone 5 is an engineering marvel. Anyone can make an oversized phone. Few can make a slim phone that still delivers the goods.

I don't care about bragging about my phone. it now comes down to the artist to impress. Don't use the hardware as a crutch
What "goods" does the iPhone 5 deliver? It's taller but still the same 4S.
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What "goods" does the iPhone 5 deliver? It's taller but still the same 4S.
LTE
Improved Camera
A6 SoC
Improved Screen quality
New front facing camera
Lightning Connector
4-Inch screen
New external case (lighter, thinner)

Yep its just a taller 4s.
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LTE
Improved Camera
A6 SoC
Improved Screen quality
New front facing camera
Lightning Connector
4-Inch screen
New external case (lighter, thinner)

Yep its just a taller 4s.
Huh? Dude
LTE yes, a6 yes. Camera? No, same cam but uses sapphire cover to prevent scratches on lens. Lighting connector naw ill pay, if the speed improved yes, but same speed as 30 pin. Lighter,thinner. Yeah that's nice.
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Huh? Dude
LTE yes, a6 yes. Camera? No, same cam but uses sapphire cover to prevent scratches on lens. Lighting connector naw ill pay, if the speed improved yes, but same speed as 30 pin. Lighter,thinner. Yeah that's nice.
No the the camera has an improved lens (according to apple) not in megapixels but in colour saturation and so on.
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What "goods" does the iPhone 5 deliver? It's taller but still the same 4S.
Yup and the ocean is just a body of water. It's really pretty easy to oversimplify things if you don't have to actually create the item in question.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 05:05 PM   #15
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I don't think its they've lost their "magic" on the current lineup, but they need something new and innovative. The phone especially I feel is starting to get stale. I have a 5 and I like it just fine, but most of the features they added have been available on other phones for a bit. The computer lineup while a bit more expensive than their counterparts are comparable and I don't mind paying extra for a premium brand. Will be interesting to see where they are at in 2 years.
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They were never magic. They have incredibly on-point advertising, and the more you educate yourself about the products, the less effect that has on you.

Their products have tradeoffs and problems just like any other, they just do a better job at spinning them.
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I gave tons of sperm to a sperm bank to pay for my first iPhone. I wouldn't do that for the iP5. So yes, magic is lost.
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I gave tons of sperm to a sperm bank to pay for my first iPhone. I wouldn't do that for the iP5. So yes, magic is lost.
Why not? It's not like you're workin' for the money
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Listen!

The Stock Market, is run by a bunch of pantie waists. This down turn, is a result of switching to new screens, NOT lack of demand,(don't believe it?) Wait until iPad 5 is released with the new screen,quad core chip,amazing graphics,then the weak kneed analysts will jump on the band wagon. You need to be in this for the long run. I bought 1000 shares at $68.89, sold in September at $704, since it didn't split, I sold. So now I wait, now it hit 500, bought 1000 shares, out of my profits, as well as a Class A Country Coach class A Motorhome!
I'll cash out when it reaches $1000, by the end of 2014, or later, you can't get daily results, and react, you simply can't. To get into Apple I sold enough do nothing GE stock to get me $70K,( back then I bought 1 and GE gave me two)
I still have tons left out of a 30 year career as a welder! I am going with, and sticking with Apple, it has made me a rich man,and after the pussys bail on Apple, I will be laughing all the way to the bank Now my friends, if you have the funds, no matter how small, bet on Apple, you Will be rewarded!
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I've been a Mac girl since 2010 but I think Apple products are not what they used to be:

* The iPad Mini is nice but not exactly innovative. I think it was only released because other companies were bringing out 7" tablets. I read somewhere Steve Jobs would never have allowed it.

* Taking the optical drive out of the iMac was a big mistake. A desktop computer needs one. I'm sure even the all-in-one peecees that exist at the moment have optical drives. It just looks like a big Macbook Air now, but it doesn't need to be ultraportable because it's a desktop.

* The Retina Macbook Pro is not great at the moment. I've seen loads of threads on this forum about problems people have had with their rMBPs like defective screens and image retention (similar to what can happen with plasma TVs). I also don't like the way the laptop is glued down so if a part breaks the whole machine probably has to be replaced and you can't upgrade things like the RAM or hard drive. The lack of optical drive is also ridiculous for a pro computer.

* The Mountain Lion battery life problem was bad. I'm glad I didn't upgrade to ML because the reduced battery life would have been a pain.

* The iOS 6 fiasco over Apple Maps. Need I say any more? Also changing the connector for the iP5, meaning users had to buy more accessories as their older ones were no longer any good. And why does iOS look the same as it did in 2007?

* The lack of consideration for the professional market. Yes the Mac Pro is probably getting an update this year but Apple really need to consider the pros as well as the consumers. After all it was the professionals who supported the company during their dark years and were likely using Macs when everyone else was using Windows. The FCPX fiasco also showed that the professional software is not what it used to be. If the MP does get an update I hope they don't remove the optical drive or try to change the design too much. Removing the optical drive from it would be the final nail in the coffin for that computer.

Just my 2 cents...
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I've been coming to this site and reading these forums for as long as I've owned a Mac. In that time, I've often felt compelled to post, but never like I had to act. Tonight, for reasons unknown to me, that has changed. This is my first post, and may very well be my only post, so I might as well make it count.

We're all entitled to our opinions, here are some of mine. They will mostly be counterpoints to what others have said. You have been warned, I'm feeling ranty!

The iPad mini is a great product and the people are voting with their wallets. It was not a reactionary product as some seem to think. Apple has never done business that way and never will. In reality, it takes an extremely long time for a product to go from concept to design and then a customer's hands. Jony and Tim don't just wake up one morning and say, "Oh crap, they're selling a lot of these 7 inch tablets... Screw that Steve guy, let's make one anyways!" And as to what Steve actually said, "Seven inch tablets are dead on arrival because they run blown up smartphone software." He said nothing about the form factor itself and was nodding to where the overall tech and competition was at the time, and as usual a dash of classic Jobsian misdirection. Eventually the form factor gained momentum and Apple was ready to capitalize on that, because that's what they do, and they do it well. First to market has never been the Apple way. Let others take that step. Being the first to make it work however, is.

As for it being overpriced and under spec... I've been hearing that argument since PowerPC. It was old then and it's old now. Specs tell you one thing only, (and that's only us more technical folks, consumers don't give a rats bum) what a product COULD do. Apple prefers to tell you what something CAN do. That is why the screen is 1024x768, because it lets the product do many things, over 275,000 things, all with no extra work from any of the builders of those things. That's good for developers and good for consumers, and that my friends, is magic.

Taking the optical drive out of the iMac was not a big mistake. Speaking for myself, I haven't used the optical drive on any occasion in my last two MacBook Pros. Optical drives are noisy, slow, legacy and they take up a ton of space in the chassis. Why develop an entire product around something that the majority of people don't use? The logical course is to make a seldom used component an accessory, that way the minority can still have what they need, and the majority can have a better product.

And that concept flows into the dock connector. They used the thing for 10 years. Ten years! And in that time a huge accessory business flourished around it, which can and will flourish again with a new connector, making tons of money for many other folks who are not Apple. And this should set them up for another 10 years, even though wires for anything other than charging are already nearly redundant. Apple has been very clear that the dock connector had become the limiting factor on how they could build products. So when a technology truly inhibits you, you have to move past it, Apple has proven that time and time again. It will suck for a bit, when things don't work. There are always growing pains with change, as their always have been and always will be. It's a universal truth in life. Just ask anyone who's installed a Microsoft product on launch day. Maybe they should have included a 30 pin adapter in the iPhone 5 box, but I can assure you, if they shipped 30 million adapters with 30 million phones, the vast majority of them would sit in the box, unused. That's a bad thing for a lot of reasons. Most folk with an iPhone, present company excluded because we're geekier than the norm, will only ever plug it into a wall and want exactly that. When people frame this like it's some kind of grand conspiracy for Apple to sell adapters, I laugh out loud. What do you honestly think the overall revenue percentage is for the adapter division? Does Tim Cook get up everyday and check on the adapter sales? Does Peter Oppenheimer make angry phone calls asking where the adapter money is?

So, Retina MacBook Pros are just thinner and and apparently they're all broken anyways... Wow, I didn't know Apple missed the mark so badly on that one. Next time around, lets hope for some fatter, heavier notebooks. And as much as I would like to direct everyone to the 'Happy Apple Customer Who Has Never Had An Issue' forums, I can't. Instead let's take a gander at the company's customer satisfaction ratings, consistently and independently ranked number one since I can remember. All that despite being "over priced" and "under spec". Strangely enough, a funny thing happens when you're reading through technical support forums. You tend to read about people's problems. Well if some people are, that must mean that everyone is. After all, I was just reading the cancer treatment forums and now I'm certain that everyone has cancer.

As far as the Mountain Lion battery life problem is concerned, it sucked for some to be sure, but to my knowledge it's been fixed, even though I never suffered from the issue. Maybe I'm just old school, but I ALWAYS do a full clean install with a new major OS release. I know Apple doesn't come straight out and say that you should, but anyone who's been at this long enough will echo my sentiments on that. Our Mac's and OSX are very technologically complex entities and we each layer on our own set of complexities. Every now and again, you've got to start fresh and it's always worth it.

The iOS 6 maps "fiasco" was just that, a fiasco created by the media. Apple is under a microscope these days due to their success, as Microsoft once was, and as Google should be, but isn't. The media vultures are always circling, just waiting to pick the carcass of any misstep that the company makes, and they will make mistakes, because Apple is run by PEOPLE and people make mistakes sometimes. If you believed all the media hype surrounding it, the average layperson just assumed that Maps didn't even work, which is entirely false. Did it have it's problems? It certainly did. Was it anywhere near what it was reported and perceived to be, no it wasn't. Being the 'go-to' Apple guy in my circle, many people told me, "Hey, I heard the new maps is crap." To which I responded, "Well no, it isn't, it just doesn't do everything that some people want and is a little buggy. Usually the people who complain are particularly vocal about it and then then media scumbags grab it like a roll of toilet paper and cover your house in it." Tim publicly apologized, took the responsibility and used the gravity of his platform and the lustre of Apple's brand to recommend competitors alternatives. Still, people want blood. Remember when Firestone tires were actually killing folks for a bit? Their CEO publicly apologized, but certainly didn't recommend anyone go out and pick up some Goodyears. The Maps situation was handled with nobility, honour and respect for the customer, case closed.

Yes, iOS may not look much different than it did in 2007, nor does OSX since it's inception and I'm just fine with that. Look how well it worked out for Microsoft to radically change their layout with each major release. Change for the sake of change is a waste of time and energy. Apple has earned their reputation for quality because they revolutionize with their first iteration and slowly introduce change with precision, gradual increments and incredible consideration for retaining the user experience that their customers already love.

As far as the Pro User stuff is concerned, I'm a pro user in recovery, used to be what I did, now just isn't. I had been editing professionally in FCP since version 2ish and was editing on PC with Premiere before that, so I am fairly well informed on this, albeit a little outdated. All that being said, stating that a company has to bow down to a minority of users is complete nonsense. You talk like they're just sitting on an awesome Mac Pro and holding it back just to upset people. I'm not terribly savvy with these things anymore, but as far as I know, it's a wait on the next generation of Xeon's that integrate Thunderbolt and all that new jazz from Intel. Would I like to see a new Mac Pro, sure I would, would I buy one? No, I just don't need it, very few people do. The enterprise hardware roadmap has never moved as fast as consumer for good and very real reasons. The market is very small and getting smaller all the time. Yes it should be a priority, but it shouldn't be, and isn't priority one, for any company.

As far as FCPX is concerned, I'm not a fan, but I also admittedly haven't tried to shift my thinking to editing in that fashion and given it a fair shake. Avid always was the industry standard and still is, and Apple nailed the prosumer market square on the head in the past and that leaked to either side of the line, both pros and consumers. With the way the market is changing, the prosumer line continues to blur more and more, and the true pro market is as rigid as it ever was. Pro users are set in their ways like any other pro of any profession. Pro's hate change, it's part of the nature of being a professional. I don't blame them at all for feeling a bit left out, but they didn't leave you naked and beaten in the desert like some would cry.

As for anyone who wastes a moment of precious life on the phrase, "Steve wouldn't have let this happen!" Steve is gone now, and that saddened me more than I'm comfortable admitting to myself. But the gift he left behind isn't the Mac, or an iPhone, iPod or iPad. The gift he left behind is Apple itself, a company only he could have created. Everything under it guided by one vision, to make the best products in the world.

Steve left his successors with one guiding principal. Don't let Apple become another Disney, always asking what Walt would have done... Never ask yourselves what I would do, just do what's right.

Is Apple losing their magic? No my friends, there's much more to come. I promise.
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I've been a Mac girl since 2010 but I think Apple products are not what they used to be:

* The iPad Mini is nice but not exactly innovative. I think it was only released because other companies were bringing out 7" tablets. I read somewhere Steve Jobs would never have allowed it.

* Taking the optical drive out of the iMac was a big mistake. A desktop computer needs one. I'm sure even the all-in-one peecees that exist at the moment have optical drives. It just looks like a big Macbook Air now, but it doesn't need to be ultraportable because it's a desktop.

* The Retina Macbook Pro is not great at the moment. I've seen loads of threads on this forum about problems people have had with their rMBPs like defective screens and image retention (similar to what can happen with plasma TVs). I also don't like the way the laptop is glued down so if a part breaks the whole machine probably has to be replaced and you can't upgrade things like the RAM or hard drive. The lack of optical drive is also ridiculous for a pro computer.

* The Mountain Lion battery life problem was bad. I'm glad I didn't upgrade to ML because the reduced battery life would have been a pain.

* The iOS 6 fiasco over Apple Maps. Need I say any more? Also changing the connector for the iP5, meaning users had to buy more accessories as their older ones were no longer any good. And why does iOS look the same as it did in 2007?

* The lack of consideration for the professional market. Yes the Mac Pro is probably getting an update this year but Apple really need to consider the pros as well as the consumers. After all it was the professionals who supported the company during their dark years and were likely using Macs when everyone else was using Windows. The FCPX fiasco also showed that the professional software is not what it used to be. If the MP does get an update I hope they don't remove the optical drive or try to change the design too much. Removing the optical drive from it would be the final nail in the coffin for that computer.

Just my 2 cents...
Strongly agree!! +1
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* The iPad Mini is nice but not exactly innovative. I think it was only released because other companies were bringing out 7" tablets. I read somewhere Steve Jobs would never have allowed it.
Well played, you even got some people to agree with you. You sir deserve a prize.
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