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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:30 PM   #1
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Best Buy Offering Refurbished Airport Extreme Base Station for $89.99




Best Buy is offering Apple's June 2011 Airport Extreme Base Station -- the current model that Apple sells new for $179 -- for $89.99 as its deal of the day.

Apple sells the same device refurbished for $139.
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The sleek, easy-to-use AirPort Extreme Base Station with simultaneous dual-band support is the perfect wireless access point for home, school or small business. It offers fast, 802.11n Wi-Fi access for Mac computers, PCs and Wi-Fi devices such as iPhone, iPod touch and Apple TV.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:34 PM   #2
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hmmmm..I think Apple's getting rid of all it's 802.11n Peripherals.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:36 PM   #3
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Pretty good price if you have anything less than an N router at the moment. Waiting for some solid ac routers to be pushed. I am not really needing to replace my Airport Extreme, but it could possibly sway me towards it if it stays at the same price points.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 10:21 PM   #4
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hmmmm..I think Apple's getting rid of all it's 802.11n Peripherals.
Pointless since the vast majority of Macs, iPods, iPads and iPhones don't even support 802.11ac. Not to mention, Airport Stations support 802.11a/b/g/n and soon draft ac.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 06:20 AM   #5
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hmmmm..I think Apple's getting rid of all it's 802.11n Peripherals.
interesting.

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Pointless since the vast majority of Macs, iPods, iPads and iPhones don't even support 802.11ac. Not to mention, Airport Stations support 802.11a/b/g/n and soon draft ac.
you're not thinking 4th dimensionally.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:37 PM   #6
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That's nice I think I will buy one really need it.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:57 PM   #7
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Is this worth it?

I currently have the standard 2WIRE router supplied by ATT Uverse that is 802.11 b/g. I pay for the 12 Mbps internet speed, because that's the max that they can provide to my apartment complex. When I'm on WiFi I usually get 3-4 Mbps. We have about 6 Apple devices and an xbox if that matters.

Do you think this router will really make a $100 difference going to 802.11n? Thanks gents.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 05:58 PM   #8
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Is this worth it?

I currently have the standard 2WIRE router supplied by ATT Uverse that is 802.11 b/g. I pay for the 12 Mbps internet speed, because that's the max that they can provide to my apartment complex. When I'm on WiFi I usually get 3-4 Mbps. We have about 6 Apple devices and an xbox if that matters.

Do you think this router will really make a $100 difference going to 802.11n? Thanks gents.
This one for $89 ? A big difference.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:01 PM   #9
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Is this worth it?

I currently have the standard 2WIRE router supplied by ATT Uverse that is 802.11 b/g. I pay for the 12 Mbps internet speed, because that's the max that they can provide to my apartment complex. When I'm on WiFi I usually get 3-4 Mbps. We have about 6 Apple devices and an xbox if that matters.

Do you think this router will really make a $100 difference going to 802.11n? Thanks gents.
I have turned off the wifi on my 2WIRE router on the first day. The drop from 12Mbps to 3 or 4 is way too much to put up with. Get a good router, even if you go with something other than this one. But at this price, it is quite competitive with other high quality routers. Besides, router management or setup is a bit easier if you are already an Apple centric household.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:04 PM   #10
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Is this worth it?

I currently have the standard 2WIRE router supplied by ATT Uverse that is 802.11 b/g. I pay for the 12 Mbps internet speed, because that's the max that they can provide to my apartment complex. When I'm on WiFi I usually get 3-4 Mbps. We have about 6 Apple devices and an xbox if that matters.

Do you think this router will really make a $100 difference going to 802.11n? Thanks gents.
I got the Airport Extreme 5th Gen for 100 Euro refurbished and I am very happy with it. Airport utility makes network managing a breeze. I can open Ports from my iPhone, something that's handy when I'm hosting Teamspeak and Minecraft servers and the like.
Works best I think if you have a heavy enough Apple ecosystem at home. I do and its perfect.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:26 PM   #11
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Thanks all. I get about 8-10 Mbps if I run speedtest.net, but then when I'm downloading something in iTunes it's about 3-4 Mbps. Again my connection is 12 Mbps max.

So if I get this, what is a ballpark estimate for my WiFi speeds?

Also, can I plug a 1TB external drive into the USB port and use that for Time Machine? That would be handy.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:31 PM   #12
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Is this worth it?

I currently have the standard 2WIRE router supplied by ATT Uverse that is 802.11 b/g. I pay for the 12 Mbps internet speed, because that's the max that they can provide to my apartment complex. When I'm on WiFi I usually get 3-4 Mbps. We have about 6 Apple devices and an xbox if that matters.

Do you think this router will really make a $100 difference going to 802.11n? Thanks gents.
I'm trying to get my head around what you said above. When you say you "get" 3-4Mbps, is that your connect speed (which ideally should be 54Mbps on 802.11g) or your transfer speed? A connect speed of 54Mbps should yield about 22Mbps in actual download speed, assuming there's only one wireless device. That "real" 22Mbps would be shared among all your wireless devices. Of course, internet speed would be limited to 12Mbps because that's your service's speed.

n goes to 150Mbps connect speed, based on two streams on one channel. You can also double the channel width to get 300Mbps (actually nowadays you can get three streams, so it's up to 450Mbps). Now, upgrading to 802.11n includes more than just speed benefits. First, n allows for more robust communications (it's too arcane to get into but that's the net of it). And, second, n can operate at 5Ghz, which is less crowded, and isn't used by bluetooth, and many other devices.

The bottom line is that n will help with communications within your network, but it seems like your internet connection won't be any better - unless your other devices are really choking the wireless bandwidth, which is unlikely unless you're constantly streaming video or moving files around.
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Old Jan 29, 2013, 07:15 PM   #13
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I'm trying to get my head around what you said above. When you say you "get" 3-4Mbps, is that your connect speed (which ideally should be 54Mbps on 802.11g) or your transfer speed?
I "get" between 3-4 Mbps when downloading actual videos etc from iTunes. Speedtest will show about 7-8 Mbps usually. I am paying for 12 Mbps, because that is the fastest possible connection that Uverse can provide to me.

So I'm questioning, since my ceiling is 12 Mbps, if 802.11n is worth $89.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 12:36 AM   #14
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I "get" between 3-4 Mbps when downloading actual videos etc from iTunes. Speedtest will show about 7-8 Mbps usually. I am paying for 12 Mbps, because that is the fastest possible connection that Uverse can provide to me.

So I'm questioning, since my ceiling is 12 Mbps, if 802.11n is worth $89.
The theoretical max speed of 802.11n (450 Mbps) won't be realized on the average person's broadband connection -- which, in your case tops out around 12 Mbps. Where it has a noticeable difference over 802.11a/b/g is wireless throughput over the LAN.

Also, in my experience, the Airport Extremes do a great job providing a strong signal. I have two of them wirelessly bridged together and my home is blanketed in 802.11n Wi-Fi.

If you have Macs or iOS devices, the Airport routers plus the Airport Utility for Mac and iOS make router administration a breeze.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 10:54 AM   #15
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Is this worth it?

I currently have the standard 2WIRE router supplied by ATT Uverse that is 802.11 b/g. I pay for the 12 Mbps internet speed, because that's the max that they can provide to my apartment complex. When I'm on WiFi I usually get 3-4 Mbps. We have about 6 Apple devices and an xbox if that matters.

Do you think this router will really make a $100 difference going to 802.11n? Thanks gents.
I have the same 2wire router. For a wireless g its actually a good performing router. I originally replaced it with an ASUS wireless N router which was WORSE than the 2wire router! Then I upgraded to the apple router and the performance was noticeably quicker. If you are just browsing you will not notice the difference. You will notice the difference if you use airplay to mirror your ipad game to your apple tv! The 2wire cannot hack it. The apple router has no problems.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 12:05 PM   #16
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I picked up the latest 2TB Apple Airport Extreme Time Capsule from Bestbuy for less than half MSRP of $299 after using a Rewards Certificate.

The fine print states that you can ONLY return it to BB should something go wrong with it. Apple won't touch it with a 10 foot pole. So you better test it thoroughly after you get it.

Mine arrived in about a week after I ordered it. It looked new with only the power cable and nothing else. Upon plugging it in, I found someone else's Time Machine backup. A quick press of the RESET button fixed it and I was in business. It's been over a month and it's working like a charm.

I have Verizon FIOS and get better signal in distant rooms in the house more so than my old D-Link 655. Plus the wireless printing was a nice bonus.

So it's luck of the draw when it comes to BB Apple Refurbs. For what I paid, I was willing to take a chance since I could have gotten all my money back if it broke in the first 45 days, as I am a Silver Rewards Member. Good luck.
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Old Jan 30, 2013, 12:50 PM   #17
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I'm only posting this because this entire thread is about getting an apple router on the cheap.

I bought this medialink router on amazon ($50!) because of the good reviews and the ridiculous price. It doesn't offer a usb port, so that is a knock on it, but other than that, it has been going strong for a few months now. I was skeptical with the price, but I thought $50 was worth the gamble. Strong signal in my entire house. The only hiccups I have are charter internet modem-related.

http://www.amazon.com/Medialink-Wireless-Broadband-802-11n-Internal/dp/B0044YU60M/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1359571702&sr=1-1&keywords=wireless+router
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11ac here we come.

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Old Jan 29, 2013, 06:33 PM   #19
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11ac here we come.
11ac sucks, it's barely twice as fast.

802.11ad is where it's at. 14 times faster.
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11ac sucks, it's barely twice as fast.

802.11ad is where it's at. 14 times faster.
Agreed, so why are the Apple noises around ac? I was able to buy an ac router last month in the real world. BTW 4x faster. Short range.
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11ac sucks, it's barely twice as fast.

802.11ad is where it's at. 14 times faster.
What devices have this standard.
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I try to explain to people, if you're paying extra money for faster internet but have a crappy router. Their wifi is still going to be slow. Some people don't understand the concept of a bottleneck.

My sister has an HDTV and a Blu-ray player. Connection is composite cable... Thinks she is getting HD.

There are some places you can skimp out on quality. If you actually care about internet speeds, your router is not something to skimp out on.
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I try to explain to people, if you're paying extra money for faster internet but have a crappy router. Their wifi is still going to be slow. Some people don't understand the concept of a bottleneck.

My sister has an HDTV and a Blu-ray player. Connection is composite cable... Thinks she is getting HD.

There are some places you can skimp out on quality. If you actually care about internet speeds, your router is not something to skimp out on.
Out of curiosity, did you mean Component? I'm pretty sure I've never seen a Blu-Ray player with Composite video connections. Component, on the other hand can manage up to 720p.
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11ac sucks, it's barely twice as fast.
No, and you know that.

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802.11ad is where it's at. 14 times faster.
This standard is designed for synchronization and backup applications, and similar applications. It has only a very limited range. However, it is true that future WLANs (with a sufficient range) need new frequencies and better modulation. 5 GHz 802.11ac is probably the answer.

802.11ac supports up to ≈ 7 GBit/s:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_80...configurations
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11ac sucks, it's barely twice as fast.

802.11ad is where it's at. 14 times faster.
At 60GHz, your signal can barely reach the other end of a room. It is not designed to distribute internet access around a house from one central location.

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