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Old Feb 7, 2013, 11:46 AM   #1
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Steve Wozniak Believes Apple Has Fallen 'Somewhat Behind' in Smartphones




Apple co-founder Steve Wozniak said in an interview yesterday that Apple has fallen somewhat behind in the smartphone field, allowing competitors like Samsung to catch up.

The comment was made as Wozniak spoke about the importance of brand (translated from the original German report by wiwo.de) at the Business Week Best Brand Awards.
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I am proud that we have such loyal fans. But this loyalty is not given, the need to have the best products is always there. Currently we are in my opinion somewhat behind with features in the smartphone business. Others have caught up. Samsung is a big competitor. But precisely because they are currently making great products.
The comments were, however, made in the context of his great pride in Apple and its products. Wozniak also explained why he stands in line at Apple stores to buy new products on launch days despite remaining an employee of the company to this day.
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The launch of a new Apple product is for me like a big, major concert which you absolutely must attend personally. It's history. Sure, I could order online or call the store manager so that they smuggled me in the back door. But that would be nothing. No, I will have the experience like any normal customer. But one thing is certain. If Apple made lousy products, I would not be in line.
Wozniak has never been shy in speaking about Apple, and while he has only very limited contact with the company today, he still draws significant attention at his appearances at events at Apple product launches. While he remains a fan of Apple and the iPhone, he has long been open to alternatives and has noted several times that he carries a number of iPhones and Android devices with him.

(Thanks, Chris! Photo from woz.org.)

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I agree as well...A friend of mine was showing off her new phone...Lumia I think, compared to my IP5 it just looks more modern and up to date...It's not going to make me jump ship, but if Woz thinks Apple are behind, then maybe things will get done....Not much point in making the comment if they don't.
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 11:56 AM   #5
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I think they have done in terms of software. Just so many small, nice features that Android phones (and Samsung phones) have. I remember when it was the other way around...
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Whats the deal with everyone taking everything Woz says as gospel? He was instrumental in creating the original Apple computers but what has he done recently? Not much other than speaking engagements. Since the original Apples, he has done very little other.
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Could not agree more...
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Old Feb 7, 2013, 11:59 AM   #8
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Whats the deal with everyone taking everything Woz says as gospel? He was instrumental in creating the original Apple computers but what has he done recently? Not much other than speaking engagements. Since the original Apples, he has done very little other.
It's not that I take it as gospel - it's just that in this case, he is sadly correct.
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Whats the deal with everyone taking everything Woz says as gospel? He was instrumental in creating the original Apple computers but what has he done recently? Not much other than speaking engagements. Since the original Apples, he has done very little other.
Do you have personal connections with him that you know what he is and isnt working on? Woz has never been the one to get into the spotlight and talk about upcoming projects. He may certainly be designing or helping design products (circuitry etc. ). Who knows but dont make some blanket statement that he does nothing except speaking engagements. There are many of us who dont think his word is gospel but rather he's expressing a thought many of us harbour.

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gotta like Woz,

loves Apple for the products but if they are not the best he calls them on it.
Stay on you're toes apple, make the best product and i will buy it, don't expect me to buy it because it says apple on it.
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Certainly the competition has caught up to Apple and offered some viable alternatives. Whether or not they are better depends on your priorities.

However, when Woz speaks my first reaction is to chuckle. The guy is all over the place. This is the same guy who said he would buy Facebook stock at IPO regardless of the opening price.

It is interesting to listen to Woz, but if Apple had been under his leadership all these years it would be out of business by now. He has never quite "gotten" what the consumer wants and is willing to buy. He obsesses more about geeky technical details than anything else.
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Do you have personal connections with him that you know what he is and isnt working on? Woz has never been the one to get into the spotlight and talk about upcoming projects. He may certainly be designing or helping design products (circuitry etc. ). Who knows but dont make some blanket statement that he does nothing except speaking engagements. There are many of us who dont think his word is gospel but rather he's expressing a thought many of us harbour.
From what I know from people that work at Apple and work in the electronics and computer industry, he doesn't do much other other speaking engagements at this point. Friend was a member of his Segway polo league and also said he doesn't do much these days other than some consulting occasionally.
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Whats the deal with everyone taking everything Woz says as gospel? He was instrumental in creating the original Apple computers but what has he done recently? Not much other than speaking engagements. Since the original Apples, he has done very little other.
Because he helped create Apple.

My real issue on him dumping on Apple is that he clearly doesn't agree with Apple's stance that this isn't a zero sum game and its okay for other companies to be successful. Because he doesn't get this detail he sees everything as a loss for Apple and that helps to spurn his notion that Apple has to design to compete, provide every possible choice for every possible user and so on.

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So in general, I would like to know what Woz would like added into iOS. He always makes these sweeping comments about Apple but never gives any solutions. He's no better than your typical forum poster/troller.
So perhaps we should say to him what we tend to say to the trolls. Put up or shut up. He thinks he knows how smart phones should be designed, then he should do it. Lets see how well the Woz phone does

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Do you have personal connections with him that you know what he is and isnt working on? Woz has never been the one to get into the spotlight and talk about upcoming projects. .
He might not talk about upcoming products (perhaps because he doesnt have sny) but he's happy to do talks, articles etc based on being 'the guy from Apple' so claiming eh doesn't get into the spotlight is a bit off

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gotta like Woz,

loves Apple for the products but if they are not the best he calls them on it.
'The best' being defined as ' how I think they should be done', rather like many forum posters

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Apple needs to do three thing to maintain leadership
You assume that Apple wants to maintain leadership, particularly if it means having to do things differently. With devices or computers.

And your bullet points are just the same 'they need to do it the way I think they should do it or utter fail' of the typical poster. You have nothing more than 'I think it's a good idea' or 'everyone else is doing it' to prove its a good idea, much less the right one for Apple.

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My Nexus 4 begs to differ with everything you said. Android 4.2 makes iOS look ridiculously bad. I have no desire to go back, which is why I sold my iPhone 5, and not a day goes by that I actually miss it.
Your opinion, you are welcome to it and goody for you that it has worked out for you.

Many folks, myself included, have used such devices and thought they were utter garbage.
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Whats the deal with everyone taking everything Woz says as gospel? He was instrumental in creating the original Apple computers but what has he done recently? Not much other than speaking engagements. Since the original Apples, he has done very little other.
He's the chief scientist at Fusion-IO. They make the SSDs that run Facebook, your bank's website, the iTunes App and Music stores - just about anything that's intensive these days.

In other words, he's doing a lot.

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As usual the misunderstanding continues: you don't have to wait for an Android update to get core apps updated. When Chrome is updated, you get it. Plus you get all the features--nothing is intentionally crippled (I am talking to you iOS maps and siri regarding the iPhone 4).

When Safari was updated in iOS 6 you only got it with iOS 6. Oh, and of course that left out the "ancient" iPad 1 (only 2.5 years old). At least on my macs I can update Safari without an entire OS X update.

The Android update situation as it is today is not as bad as many Apple fans would like to believe.




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Right, that's why my AT&T HTC One X is still on ICS... When JB 4.1 came out 8 1/2 months ago.

If you think Android updates are working well, get out of here.

Android has more features, but show me any 2.5 year old android device that is still being updated... Let alone will run well.
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He's the chief scientist at Fusion-IO. They make the SSDs that run Facebook, your bank's website, the iTunes App and Music stores - just about anything that's intensive these days.

In other words, he's doing a lot.
In the million times I've heard the "Chief Scientist" bit, I've never once heard it described what exactly Wozniak does for Fusion-IO, and I'm not aware he has any particular expertise in what they do. So I concluded it's another sinecure, like his position with Apple. I see now I'm not the only one who's been wondering about this:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09..._io/page2.html

http://www.arnnet.com.au/article/437...oes_fusion-io/

He's at best an occasional spokesman who gets them press thanks to his Apple notoriety. That's what "Chief Scientist" means in this context.
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Right, that's why my AT&T HTC One X is still on ICS... When JB 4.1 came out 8 1/2 months ago.

If you think Android updates are working well, get out of here.

Android has more features, but show me any 2.5 year old android device that is still being updated... Let alone will run well.
Completely missed the point.

But for starters, I stated the iPad 1, 2.5 years old, didn't get iOS 6. The iPhone 4, a little newer than the iPad 1, got a crippled iOS 6. So if your point was "yea but it is the same on Android" then, uh, ok. Except Android is getting better whereas iOS is more stagnant.

And 2.5 year old Android devices get updated to the latest core apps that newer devices get. Can't say that about Safari or iOS core apps: you get the apps updated with the OS (absurd, IMO). Gee let's wait a year for the new Safari. Yay.



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Unless iOS7 is something super revolutionary, I think Apple will sell the same sort of number of phones, or at least the number they sell each new generation, won't increase like it has the last few times, if that makes sense?
I love iOS, but something new has to happen, just to distinguish itself
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Unless iOS7 is something super revolutionary, I think Apple will sell the same sort of number of phones, or at least the number they sell each new generation, won't increase like it has the last few times, if that makes sense?
I love iOS, but something new has to happen, just to distinguish itself
This is exactly what i've been thinking. I think they will for sure gain new customers but i also think that they will lose people that have had iPhones for a long time and in recent years getting bored with iOS.

Not to say iOS should be entertaining, but there are some definite features that are missing that would be great to have and are currently on other OS's.

I for one am one of those people who will be leaving if iOS 7 doesn't blow me away with something great.
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This is exactly what i've been thinking. I think they will for sure gain new customers but i also think that they will lose people that have had iPhones for a long time and in recent years getting bored with iOS.

Not to say iOS should be entertaining, but there are some definite features that are missing that would be great to have and are currently on other OS's.

I for one am one of those people who will be leaving if iOS 7 doesn't blow me away with something great.
People have been saying this for the last 3 years. None of us individuals matter. iOS 7 doesn't have to be revolutionary. The biggest growth market is China and other smaller but emerging markets.

If you're bored with iOS 6 now you may as jump. There is nothing coming that is going to amaze you if you're not already pushing the limits of what the OS can do.
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This is exactly what i've been thinking. I think they will for sure gain new customers but i also think that they will lose people that have had iPhones for a long time and in recent years getting bored with iOS.

Not to say iOS should be entertaining, but there are some definite features that are missing that would be great to have and are currently on other OS's.

I for one am one of those people who will be leaving if iOS 7 doesn't blow me away with something great.
Exactly what I wanted to write but couldn't because I'm a terrible writer.
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Totally. While the IP5 is a great phone (design and to be honest its ease of use is great). There are a bunch of folks who want some of the more modern features.

Its about time to see another innovative leap from Apple in the phone market. They have the solid foundation and have rested upon this for a little too long (indeed allowing the competition to overtake in terms of features).

All we can do is hope that someone has similar insights as did Steve and can push the R&D guys forward in directions that can restore some of the Wow factor.

its quite the testament that despite the on paper better specs and feature sets of competitors products, the iPhone still remains very popular and indeed still has a nice easy to use OS. I give support to people of all ages and abilities and find that the majority of more mature folks find it a lot easier to use iOS than android (or recently the windows phone).

I would hate to see that slip away because of stagnation of design and innovation.
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You people are delusional to think Apple hasn't fallen behind as they were NEVER on par with other phones here in Japan to begin with. Woz was being political in order not to step on any toes, but the fact of the matter is, if you look at the features offered on almost any phone here in Japan, they have ALWAYS been far superior to the iPhone.

So then why do I and so many other Japanese use the iPhone? Ease of use and software integration. One thing the Japanese suck at is GUI design. Their hardware may be awesome, but software is how people interact with any device and that's where Japanese suck. When rumors of the very first iPhone began to surface, everyone thought it would be a failure here in Japan. Since I worked at a large tech company at the time and saw first hand how Japanese design their software interface, I knew the iPhone would take Japan by storm. People just want something simple and elegant and that is the iPhone's greatest strength. It is certainly not chocked full of features. Meaning no disrespect to Apple, but "thinner and lighter" although ver sexy, is NOT a useful feature. I can use my Japanese phone to ride the train, buy stuff at a convenient store or a snack machine, it connects hands-free to the audio system in my car and displays all of my contacts on my car navigation display, it has a 12 megapixel camera and so on. Those are REAL features.

So has the iPhone fallen slightly behind? In my opinion, it never caught up.
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Unless iOS7 is something super revolutionary, I think Apple will sell the same sort of number of phones, or at least the number they sell each new generation, won't increase like it has the last few times, if that makes sense?
I love iOS, but something new has to happen, just to distinguish itself
Well, we know why they even NEED to distinguish themselves from competing Android phones. If Google, Samsung et al had innovated and done something truly different - for good or for ill - they wouldn't resemble iOS so much on the face to the casual shopper.

We know Google and gang aren't going to do that GUI innovation, so we're reliant upon Apple to do it.

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For some reason, I can tell I wouldn't like this guy.
Which guy? Woz?

Are you like really new to following Apple news?

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Oh yeah, they indeed have fallen behind. Software even more than the hardware, iOS is just lacking innovation for years now. Android on the other hand has made some real astonishing progress, especially with Jelly Bean. iOS simply has become so boring.

I'm right now on the edge of replacing my 3GS and I never hesitated for one second that my next phone is gonna be powered by Android.
So, the problem that iOS has is that it doesn't get you throbbing in the southern region? And that if YOU'RE bored from it, everyone else must be like you?

Jeez, whatever.
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I agree as well...A friend of mine was showing off her new phone...Lumia I think, compared to my IP5 it just looks more modern and up to date...It's not going to make me jump ship, but if Woz thinks Apple are behind, then maybe things will get done....Not much point in making the comment if they don't.
Lmao that phone sucks

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Lmao that phone sucks[COLOR="#808080"]
Mhm, offline car navigation for 110+ countries. Apple has that? All phones have strong points and weak points.
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