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Old Feb 15, 2013, 03:18 PM   #1
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Apple Online Store Offering Refurbished Current-Generation 21" iMac, Shipping in 1-3 Days




Apple has added refurbished models of the current-generation 21.5" iMac to its Online Store in the past several days, offering a faster-shipping alternative to customers looking to get a desktop Mac.

New iMac models on the Apple Online Store list a lead time of several weeks to get delivered, while the refurbished models claim to ship in 1-3 days, with $200 and $230 discounts on the low- and high-end 21" models respectively.

Apple Retail Stores list mid-March as the earliest time to pick up new 21" iMacs ordered online, but Amazon.com claims to have both 21" models in stock [$1,299 and $1,494] and eligible for Amazon Prime shipping.

Ship times on the 21.5" iMac rose to 2-3 weeks back in January, and have not improved since then. Tim Cook mentioned on Apple's earnings call in January that the company would increase iMac supply this quarter, but may not get to supply/demand balance.

27" iMac models have yet to appear on the refurbished store, with the company reporting a 3-4 week lead time online and late March for in-store pickup. Amazon has the base 27" model in stock for $1,799.

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Old Feb 15, 2013, 03:21 PM   #2
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i.e. All returns from users that bought them and realised 5400rpm drives are, nowadays, total crap.
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Old Feb 15, 2013, 03:23 PM   #3
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Adopters are not impressed I see.
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Old Feb 16, 2013, 10:30 AM   #4
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Adopters are not impressed I see.
You don't know that. They could have returned them to exchange for an upgraded iMac.

Nor do we have numbers about flat returns, total sales of each model etc.
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Old Feb 17, 2013, 03:26 PM   #5
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Adopters are not impressed I see.
Not necessarily. The 21.5" was the one that was available for more of the holiday season, so there are more returns. It seems like the 27" is the one that people really want and is in short supply.

That said, with the price drops to the rMBP line it does appear that the Mac market has reached a saturation point (at least for now). That probably explains at least some of Apple's lower guidance for the current quarter. While the Mac is only Apple's third largest product line it is still very profitable.

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Agreed with everything you said. It's just a shame that it's a 2010 desktop at a 2013 price. Apple is really letting down their pros/prosumers right now... you know, those people who got Apple through their lean years.
I think the 15" rMBP is a good product. Also, they did promise a new Mac Pro this year.

That said, the whole PC market has shifted. Consider that even Microsoft is out promoting the Surface "Pro" with MacBook Air-like specifications, and has designed Windows 8 around tablets rather than the desktop.
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Old Feb 17, 2013, 03:47 PM   #6
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Wrong.

Returns from users who thought the thinness would make an impact on their lives.
I hate that anyone thinks it makes a difference. People have mentioned lessened materials, but then they place them in excessive packaging.

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Actually Apple's 5400 rpm drives run quite quickly. They're amongst the fastest in that category.
HDDs today are mostly Seagate or Western Digital. You don't have a large matrix of choices, so saying they're among the fastest is a bit disingenuous.

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Can ANYONE repair these? Once one part dies, the whole computer, possibly even the screen, is useless.

I paid about $1000 for my Mac Pro. If a part failed in it, sure I wouldn't be happy, but it would be easy to fix by myself or by taking it into a repair shop.
Mac Pros are solid for the most part. If a gpu dies, hopefully a newer one is available. If it's a logic board, you're out of a lot of money anyway.

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Nobody can fix welded parts.
The only thing welded is the the screen to the glass. I think display panels are sometimes refurbished, but they aren't repaired when you send them in for warranty purposes, and displays are mostly unrepairable. Most people will not try to replace a dead backlight. Nothing else is welded. Some things are glued in, which I really dislike, but repair service is still available for at least 5 years past discontinuation of that model according to their vintage policy. Some of the pricing is higher with the new stuff. For example the 15" rmbp battery service costs $200. The older one was around $150 or so. I think the user replaceable ones were $130 or so. They might have been less.
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Old Feb 15, 2013, 03:29 PM   #7
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i.e. All returns from users that bought them and realised 5400rpm drives are, nowadays, total crap.
Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big? I've always used a 5400rpm drive but maybe I've been missing out.
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Old Feb 15, 2013, 03:32 PM   #8
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Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big? I've always used a 5400rpm drive but maybe I've been missing out.
Depends on the drive, but for Apple not to be offering Fusion Drive from the get-go is a complete d*bag move whatever way you look at it.
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Old Feb 15, 2013, 03:32 PM   #9
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Old Feb 15, 2013, 05:33 PM   #10
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Awesome! Can't wait for my macbook air 2013
what make you think Apple will produce a quality mba?

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I just love ridiculous posts like this. Gotta love MR for thinking they are Apple's only customers. . Did it ever occur to anyone here that the majority of Apple's customers, maybe, just maybe, are normal everyday people that aren't geeks, they don't give a rats butt about a 5400rpm drive or the GPU, or the SSD vs. the Fusion drive or the fact that screen is molded together? PUULLEESE! Get over yourselves. Maybe these people decided to upgrade to the 27". Oh yeah, that's a thought? . I'll bet more people that don't frequent here telling of all their returns/exchanges are getting work done on their iMacs.
i'm a regular consumer...and I do care.
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Old Feb 15, 2013, 06:35 PM   #11
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i'm a regular consumer...and I do care.
Haha, so am I, but I consider the people (at least me) that frequent tech forums to not be of the "normal everyday" type in terms of computer-buying consumers. For example, I don't read nor post on car forums and when I make my next car purchase I won't be lurking forums. I never have had to and I've always chosen a good quality car by means of other types of research. Once you go on a forum you get locked into people crying and nitpicking over a scratch that they MAY have done on their own but didn't realize it. Then they tell the forums that the manufacturer sends out faulty merchandize all scratched up. Takes the fun out of buying anything these days. Go figure.
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Old Feb 17, 2013, 08:25 AM   #12
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I just laugh at all the people who just not pick and bitch and complain about specs. They think they need the latest and greatest, but in reality they don't do anything but check email, go on forums to complain and then maybe watch a few movies.

With that said, the new iMac is sexy. Very sexy indeed. I wanted one when I first looked at it. Then realized I need a newer laptop instead for the line of work I do. I'm a photographer and need to edit on location at a lot of my jobs. So lugging an iMac wouldn't be the best choice all of the time. Also, the ability to upgrade hard drives and ram aftermarket is a huge factor in not choosing to get the new iMac. I have always used iMacs in our studio and got the base models then upgraded ram and hdd's later.

Our current 2010 iMac just got upgraded to 32gigs of ram and dual ssd drives from OWC. Made the getting old and sluggish machine feel like a new machine. I think this will make it 2 more years of photo editing. I don't think we will ever buy another iMac if you can't upgrade it aftermarket anymore. Plus with our needs for a powerful laptop increases, I think we will just stick to that. We just picked up one of the last 17" MBP and maxed it out from OWC.

Hopefully in 3 years or so when we will need to upgrade our laptops and iMacs, apple will be back to making machines that are user upgradeable again. Or who knows what technology will be like then. We may be getting 120gigs of ram and 2TB ssd drives standard in our machines. Look how fast technology has changed in the last 3 years.

So happy bitching and complaining people. I'll just enjoy my 2010 iMac upgraded with ssd and my 17" 2012 MBP upgraded with ssd. It edits my HD video and 16megapixel raw files just fine.
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Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big? I've always used a 5400rpm drive but maybe I've been missing out.
I switched up from a 5400 to a 7200 and didn't notice anything. If anything, my MBP got slower
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I switched up from a 5400 to a 7200 and didn't notice anything. If anything, my MBP got slower
Likely that Apple's drivers detected that you had tampered with the machine. Remember that Apple closely integrates their hardware and software. If you start sticking in unapproved hardware willy-nilly, bad things happen. You are always much better off with what Apple gives you than some unreliable third-party hardware.

It always cracks me up when people complain about Apple's prices, buy some el-cheapo piece of crap instead, and then complain. You get what you pay for, people!
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Likely that Apple's drivers detected that you had tampered with the machine. Remember that Apple closely integrates their hardware and software. If you start sticking in unapproved hardware willy-nilly, bad things happen. You are always much better off with what Apple gives you than some unreliable third-party hardware.

It always cracks me up when people complain about Apple's prices, buy some el-cheapo piece of crap instead, and then complain. You get what you pay for, people!
So I suppose you pay Apple’s insane prices if you want a bigger hard drive?
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I switched up from a 5400 to a 7200 and didn't notice anything. If anything, my MBP got slower

when the 7200 drives first came out in the 90's there were tests done and they weren't much faster than the 5400 drives. not enough for a person to notice

the things that made a hard drive faster were a NCQ chip like enterprise hard drives have, lots of RAM for cache and faster interface like going from IDE to SATA

i've known people in the 90's who used to buy SCSI hard drives and their computers were a lot faster
one time i connected a CD-ROm drive to my soundblaster card because the old ones had IDE ports. the speed increase was HUGE because the card had a controller chip as well and the cheap consumer CD-ROM drives like the cheap hard drives used the host CPU for control of the device
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Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big? I've always used a 5400rpm drive but maybe I've been missing out.
There is quite a huge difference between a 5400 RPM 2.5'' laptop drive and a 3.5'' 7200RPM desktop drive. The performance difference, although not as substantial as a SSD. Stuff like Photo editing and video recording especially in HD, is often quite slow and choppy on these slower drives. I had a 5400 drive in my MacBook Pro, upgraded to a Western Digital Scorpio black, the performance difference was substantial.

I also think its quite poor that a computer starting at £1099, doesn't even come with a decent hard drive, its not 2005 anymore. This was one of the many reasons I didn't buy a new iMac and a day after the announcement I bought the previous gen. If I'd have bought the new one to get it with the stuff I wanted, Apple Care, Superdrive, and Firewire it would have cost me almost £1,328. I got the previous gen brand new from stormfront for £978 with Apple care thrown in. The money I saved went towards 32GB RAM for it.
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I also think its quite poor that a computer starting at £1099, doesn't even come with a decent hard drive, its not 2005 anymore.
Your also still using a mobile graphics card. Will always be tradeoffs with using all-in-one computers due to size/space/heat restrictions.

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If that were the case I'd be typing this on a 2012 Mac Mini right now. But I couldn't buy one b/c it only has Intel graphics. I've been using Macs since 1988. To me the "experience" is not having an interface that gets in the way of my work. But in order to have a good experience my machines need to be able to keep up with software demands. So it's silly to say specs don't matter as a blanket statement.
I think he is saying for the average user spec's are not the determining factor. For the much smaller percentage of us power users/Pro's its more important.
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Your also still using a mobile graphics card. Will always be tradeoffs with using all-in-one computers due to size/space/heat restrictions.

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I think he is saying for the average user spec's are not the determining factor. For the much smaller percentage of us power users/Pro's its more important.
the GPU doesn't bother me, its more than adequate for Aperture and video encoding thats all I really, do slow hard drive performance for me is a no, no
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Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big? I've always used a 5400rpm drive but maybe I've been missing out.
When I replaced the OEM 5400 RPM drives in my mini and MacBook Pro with WD 750GB Scorpio Black 7200 RPM drives I instantly noticed a difference. They feel more like desktop computers rather than laptop ones.
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Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big? I've always used a 5400rpm drive but maybe I've been missing out.
The jump from a 3.5" 7200 rpm drive to a 2.5" 5400 rpm drive is a noticeable one.
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Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big? I've always used a 5400rpm drive but maybe I've been missing out.
Hey - you're not missing out, one of my machines is still running a 5400rpm drive and it is just as fast / quieter / cooler than my 7200.

I think if you are a patient and efficient person, you don't notice the little seconds and minutes, you just always get all you need done - DONE...

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I wonder if the mac mini will be the last user upgradable / serviceable apple computer? Well... other than the mac pro server.
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Hey - you're not missing out, one of my machines is still running a 5400rpm drive and it is just as fast / quieter / cooler than my 7200.

I think if you are a patient and efficient person, you don't notice the little seconds and minutes, you just always get all you need done - DONE...

Thanks.

If you are a logical person, you will not spend money on new computer and processor which is limited by slow hard drive.


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Obviously the jump from 5400rpm to SSD is huge but is the jump from 5400 to 7200 that big?
It depends on what you're doing, but it can be noticeable.


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My neighbour threw out their 21.5" 2.9GHZ 16GB 1TB Fusion iMac box and i picked it up (from the dumpster) with a view to purchasing a refurb (resale value will be better in the future with a box even though the serial number won't match)
I think i'm a sad case LOL
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