13" MacBook Air Vs. 13" Retina MacBook Pro

dc95 · Feb 16, 2013, 06:51 AM

Hi guys,

I'm new to the forum and have seen this question answered a lot, but I would really like a personal answer, so I'm going to ask it again

.

A couple days ago I ordered the 13" MacBook Air with the 8GB RAM upgrade and a standard 128GB SSD, but for only $150 more (with the education discount and recent price drop), I realized I could now have got the entry level 13" Retina MacBook Pro. I plan to use my new MacBook for simple college tasks (Pages, email, internet) and the one thing that would ruin my experience with it would be UI lag in fairly mundane tasks - a reported issue for the Retina, which is why I chose the Air in the end. But now I am starting to wonder if this Retina lag will be resolved in future software updates, and am wondering if I made the right choice in selecting the MacBook Air.

Would Retina MacBook Pro users be able to comment on their experiences with their product? I'm mainly curious as to how it would handle fairly simple tasks (lag is unacceptable for Apple

), and if it can handle mild CAD work at such a high resolution (I will be studying engineering at college).

I will check back here tomorrow morning, and perhaps head round to the Apple Store to change my order depending on the responses

.

Thanks in advance.

skaertus · Feb 16, 2013, 07:29 AM

Well, I don't have a retina MacBook Pro, but this is one of my concerns as well. I do have a 3rd generation iPad, and, although the retina display on it is great, it suffers from lagging. I wouldn't like a laptop with the same problem.

As far as I have read, there seems to be no lagging problems with this laptop. However, note that this may depend on the screen resolution you use. If you use retina settings (2560x1600, which is quad 1280x800), you should have no lagging issues. If you choose to use a different screen resolution, which provides more real estate, such as the 1680x1050 scaling, you may have some lagging problems, due to the fact that OS X will render the images at 3360x2100, putting a lot of stress on the integrated video card.

I have not found any comment on how the retina 13-inch MacBook Pro performs on CAD applications. I guess the 15-inch would be recommended for these tasks, but I really don't know. You could try searching for YouTube videos on that (I tried to, but I was unsuccessful in my search).

Of course the personal experience of someone who actually owns a 13-inch MacBook Pro is much more worth it than my opinion on it, but I hope it helps anyway.

dmk1974 · Feb 16, 2013, 07:58 AM

Hopefully I can let you know later today. Here's my thread. I have a 13" MBA and have a 13" rMBP that should be arriving today to compare.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1543593

dc95 · Feb 16, 2013, 08:32 AM

Thanks for the replies/advice so far guys. Definitely helpful.

In the past few minutes, my order status has swapped to "Preparing for Shipment" (talk about bad luck

), which means I can't cancel my MBA unless I do it by phone (which I can't, since it's a weekend), and after reading some more reviews (and some YouTube footage) it looks like the rMBP will be the better option.

Do you guys know how Apple's return policy works? Because it would be great if I could walk in to an Apple Retail Store (in Australia) with my unopened MBA (when it arrives) and swap it for a retina, but I have heard you have to ship it back to China instead (might take a while).

Either way, I'm still open to more feedback about which MacBook will be the better option, and I will head into an Apple Store tomorrow for another comparison of the MBA and rMBP, and see what my return options are.

entatlrg · Feb 16, 2013, 09:14 AM

I have both the Air and 13" rMBP ... I'm CEO of a design company, CAD software, Adobe Illustrator etc is running on all our computers at all times, plus I have many tabs open in my web browsers.

This lag issue is blown WAY out of proportion. My rMBP is excellent, love the screen, smaller footprint than my 13" Air and does heavy lifting tasks with no problem.

In our office I have a Mac Pro, and we have iMacs and a 15rMBP, I can use any computer I want. When doing a concept drawing in Illustrator or spec'ing out a design in AutoCAD I never see the need to use one of the more powerful commuters here because my 13" rMBP is lagging or can't keep up. Hence the reason I say the OCD over lag is overblown and rediculous.

The only way you'll know for sure is to try it out for yourself, you have 14 days for a full refund. If I'd of made my buying decision based on some of the negative posts here I'd never of bought our 15 or 13" rMBP and based on what I've experienced owning both not buying them would of been a huge mistake. I really like the retina display too, I'm on a notebook for long hours, a superior display is worth every dollar.

KPOM · Feb 16, 2013, 12:37 PM

I agree that the lag issue is blown completely out of proportion. I switched from a MacBook Air to a 13" rMBP in December, and am glad I did. The screen is miles ahead of the MacBook Air. With the new prices, it's almost a no-brainer when compared to the 13" MacBook Air, IMO. I still have a soft spot for the 11.6" MBA, and if that ever gets a Retina Display, I'm probably going to switch back. But not before.

skaertus · Feb 16, 2013, 09:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dc95

Hey everyone, just thought I would give you an update.

I went to the Apple Store today to try out the Retina 13" MBP again, and this time there was absolutely no lag (which I strangely experienced at another store's MacBook Pro display). I then put it side by side with the MacBook Air, and the Retina display just looks awesome

. Well worth the $150 extra and that tiny bit more bulk.

So without the performance issues I was concerned about, its needless to say that I will be cancelling my MacBook Air order on Monday and hopefully grabbing a new MacBook Pro with the Retina display on the same day.

Thanks for your advice everyone, and I'm still open to comments about which is the better notebook.

Good choice. That's what I would have done.

Violet1337 · Feb 16, 2013, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dc95

Hi guys,

I'm new to the forum and have seen this question answered a lot, but I would really like a personal answer, so I'm going to ask it again

.

A couple days ago I ordered the 13" MacBook Air with the 8GB RAM upgrade and a standard 128GB SSD, but for only $150 more (with the education discount and recent price drop), I realized I could now have got the entry level 13" Retina MacBook Pro. I plan to use my new MacBook for simple college tasks (Pages, email, internet) and the one thing that would ruin my experience with it would be UI lag in fairly mundane tasks - a reported issue for the Retina, which is why I chose the Air in the end. But now I am starting to wonder if this Retina lag will be resolved in future software updates, and am wondering if I made the right choice in selecting the MacBook Air.

Would Retina MacBook Pro users be able to comment on their experiences with their product? I'm mainly curious as to how it would handle fairly simple tasks (lag is unacceptable for Apple

), and if it can handle mild CAD work at such a high resolution (I will be studying engineering at college).

I will check back here tomorrow morning, and perhaps head round to the Apple Store to change my order depending on the responses

.

Thanks in advance.

I would keep the MacBook Air as I personally wouldn't need the retina display as I'm not a photographer, who would fully utilize the display. Plus, the portability of the Air is very convenient especially for your use as a travelling college student. Just my contribution (:

ilifecomputer · Feb 16, 2013, 11:18 PM

i had the same decision to make and wound up getting the air. in fact, i went 11 inch. i take my computer everywhere so having less weight across my shoulder feels so nice. granted i switched from a 15mbp. but anyways, the weight difference is very noticeable when traveling (for me). either way you will be happy.

dc95 · Feb 16, 2013, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ilifecomputer

i had the same decision to make and wound up getting the air. in fact, i went 11 inch. i take my computer everywhere so having less weight across my shoulder feels so nice. granted i switched from a 15mbp. but anyways, the weight difference is very noticeable when traveling (for me). either way you will be happy.

Yeah, I was thinking a bit about the bulk. I tried comparing the Air and Retina in-store, but since their plugged in it's pretty difficult. What I will do though is buy the Retina, compare it to my mate's Air, and if the weight is too much for taking around college, I will get my two-week refund and move back to the Air.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Violet1337

I would keep the MacBook Air as I personally wouldn't need the retina display as I'm not a photographer, who would fully utilize the display. Plus, the portability of the Air is very convenient especially for your use as a travelling college student. Just my contribution (:

Yeah, I don't really need the Retina resolution either, but this will be my first Mac, so I figured I might as well get a fairly high-end one

(I'm hoping it will last me 4 years.) I will definitely keep an eye on its portability, I can always switch to the Air in the first two weeks if I need to.

Trunks87 · Feb 17, 2013, 09:06 PM

I got a 13" 128GB 2012 model and am satisfied with it. At least I thought I was until the Retina price drop (a little extra weight don't bother me because I could then do 1 Thunderbolt HD + 1 HD display at once). Then I realized they're doing Haswell + a newer graphics chip down the road this year... So many options! I'll probably just wait for a newer Retina to come out and mull it over then. This mac I got isn't bad or anything but better graphics and a lower power draw from the CPU meaning potentially increased battery capacity is cool.

Miat · Feb 17, 2013, 10:52 PM

I am waiting for one or two revisions of the 13" MBPr, before I buy. Mainly want more SSD, 802.11ac WiFi, and Haswell with improved graphics. Improved battery life is always welcome too.

Eventually, once my trusty old 2007 iMac finally gives out, I will be running a MBPr as my only comp, using an external screen and clamshell mode most of the time.

Feb 16, 2013, 06:51 AM	#1
dc95 macrumors newbie Join Date: Feb 2013	13" MacBook Air Vs. 13" Retina MacBook Pro Hi guys, I'm new to the forum and have seen this question answered a lot, but I would really like a personal answer, so I'm going to ask it again . A couple days ago I ordered the 13" MacBook Air with the 8GB RAM upgrade and a standard 128GB SSD, but for only $150 more (with the education discount and recent price drop), I realized I could now have got the entry level 13" Retina MacBook Pro. I plan to use my new MacBook for simple college tasks (Pages, email, internet) and the one thing that would ruin my experience with it would be UI lag in fairly mundane tasks - a reported issue for the Retina, which is why I chose the Air in the end. But now I am starting to wonder if this Retina lag will be resolved in future software updates, and am wondering if I made the right choice in selecting the MacBook Air. Would Retina MacBook Pro users be able to comment on their experiences with their product? I'm mainly curious as to how it would handle fairly simple tasks (lag is unacceptable for Apple ), and if it can handle mild CAD work at such a high resolution (I will be studying engineering at college). I will check back here tomorrow morning, and perhaps head round to the Apple Store to change my order depending on the responses . Thanks in advance.
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Feb 16, 2013, 07:29 AM	#2
skaertus macrumors 65816 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Brazil	Well, I don't have a retina MacBook Pro, but this is one of my concerns as well. I do have a 3rd generation iPad, and, although the retina display on it is great, it suffers from lagging. I wouldn't like a laptop with the same problem. As far as I have read, there seems to be no lagging problems with this laptop. However, note that this may depend on the screen resolution you use. If you use retina settings (2560x1600, which is quad 1280x800), you should have no lagging issues. If you choose to use a different screen resolution, which provides more real estate, such as the 1680x1050 scaling, you may have some lagging problems, due to the fact that OS X will render the images at 3360x2100, putting a lot of stress on the integrated video card. I have not found any comment on how the retina 13-inch MacBook Pro performs on CAD applications. I guess the 15-inch would be recommended for these tasks, but I really don't know. You could try searching for YouTube videos on that (I tried to, but I was unsuccessful in my search). Of course the personal experience of someone who actually owns a 13-inch MacBook Pro is much more worth it than my opinion on it, but I hope it helps anyway. __________________ 13-inch MacBook 2.4 GHz (early 2008) \| 32 GB new iPad wi-fi + cellular \| 16 GB iPhone 4S \| 32 GB iPod Touch (1st gen) \| 16 GB iPod nano (6th gen)
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Feb 16, 2013, 07:58 AM	#3
dmk1974 macrumors 65816 Join Date: Sep 2008	Hopefully I can let you know later today. Here's my thread. I have a 13" MBA and have a 13" rMBP that should be arriving today to compare. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1543593 __________________ 2012 13" MacBook Air i5 1.8 MD231LL/A \| iPad Mini Wi-Fi 16GB Black \| iPhone 5 64GB Black \| Apple TV3
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Feb 16, 2013, 08:32 AM	#4
dc95 Thread Starter macrumors newbie Join Date: Feb 2013	Thanks for the replies/advice so far guys. Definitely helpful. In the past few minutes, my order status has swapped to "Preparing for Shipment" (talk about bad luck ), which means I can't cancel my MBA unless I do it by phone (which I can't, since it's a weekend), and after reading some more reviews (and some YouTube footage) it looks like the rMBP will be the better option. Do you guys know how Apple's return policy works? Because it would be great if I could walk in to an Apple Retail Store (in Australia) with my unopened MBA (when it arrives) and swap it for a retina, but I have heard you have to ship it back to China instead (might take a while). Either way, I'm still open to more feedback about which MacBook will be the better option, and I will head into an Apple Store tomorrow for another comparison of the MBA and rMBP, and see what my return options are.
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Feb 16, 2013, 09:14 AM	#5
entatlrg macrumors Demi-God Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Waterloo & Georgian Bay, Canada	I have both the Air and 13" rMBP ... I'm CEO of a design company, CAD software, Adobe Illustrator etc is running on all our computers at all times, plus I have many tabs open in my web browsers. This lag issue is blown WAY out of proportion. My rMBP is excellent, love the screen, smaller footprint than my 13" Air and does heavy lifting tasks with no problem. In our office I have a Mac Pro, and we have iMacs and a 15rMBP, I can use any computer I want. When doing a concept drawing in Illustrator or spec'ing out a design in AutoCAD I never see the need to use one of the more powerful commuters here because my 13" rMBP is lagging or can't keep up. Hence the reason I say the OCD over lag is overblown and rediculous. The only way you'll know for sure is to try it out for yourself, you have 14 days for a full refund. If I'd of made my buying decision based on some of the negative posts here I'd never of bought our 15 or 13" rMBP and based on what I've experienced owning both not buying them would of been a huge mistake. I really like the retina display too, I'm on a notebook for long hours, a superior display is worth every dollar.
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Feb 16, 2013, 12:37 PM	#6
KPOM macrumors 604 Join Date: Oct 2010	I agree that the lag issue is blown completely out of proportion. I switched from a MacBook Air to a 13" rMBP in December, and am glad I did. The screen is miles ahead of the MacBook Air. With the new prices, it's almost a no-brainer when compared to the 13" MacBook Air, IMO. I still have a soft spot for the 11.6" MBA, and if that ever gets a Retina Display, I'm probably going to switch back. But not before.
	1

Feb 16, 2013, 11:18 PM	#9
ilifecomputer macrumors regular Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA	i had the same decision to make and wound up getting the air. in fact, i went 11 inch. i take my computer everywhere so having less weight across my shoulder feels so nice. granted i switched from a 15mbp. but anyways, the weight difference is very noticeable when traveling (for me). either way you will be happy.
	2

Feb 17, 2013, 09:06 PM	#11
Trunks87 macrumors newbie Join Date: Jul 2012	I got a 13" 128GB 2012 model and am satisfied with it. At least I thought I was until the Retina price drop (a little extra weight don't bother me because I could then do 1 Thunderbolt HD + 1 HD display at once). Then I realized they're doing Haswell + a newer graphics chip down the road this year... So many options! I'll probably just wait for a newer Retina to come out and mull it over then. This mac I got isn't bad or anything but better graphics and a lower power draw from the CPU meaning potentially increased battery capacity is cool.
	2

Feb 17, 2013, 10:52 PM	#12
Miat macrumors member Join Date: Jul 2012	I am waiting for one or two revisions of the 13" MBPr, before I buy. Mainly want more SSD, 802.11ac WiFi, and Haswell with improved graphics. Improved battery life is always welcome too. Eventually, once my trusty old 2007 iMac finally gives out, I will be running a MBPr as my only comp, using an external screen and clamshell mode most of the time.
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