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Old Feb 18, 2013, 02:04 AM   #1
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I won't abandon my MBA again for a while

So today, I decided to make a jump from a mid-2011 13" MBA to a late-2012 13" rMBP.

Initially, I was sold on my decision. The screen looks incredible. The machine looks fantastic. It's very quiet.

But as the day went on, the more I realized that I had made a mistake. And mostly, for two reasons:

1) The lag on the rMBP. Yes, it's there. I wanted to believe everyone that it was overblown, but it's there. I normally have to have something along the line of 7-8 windows or applications open (unorganized multitasker), and this machine slowed down on my several times, even at the default resolution. My 2011 MBA lags every now and then as well, considering the workload, but I expect that from a less powerful machine that's 1.5 years older. Not the brand new MBP with Retina.

2) I didn't really anticipate this: it's uncomfortable to type. I took the MBA for granted. The thin bezel made typing incredibly comfortable, but the rMBP's front bezel is raised, sharp, and not very pleasant around the wrists.

So, the plan tomorrow is to take the rMBP back to the Apple Store. The screen is fantastic, but it's not enough of a trade-off, in my opinion.

I won't abandon you again, MBA.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 02:21 AM   #2
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Now that u mention it, my old box-shaped laptop, I popped it up on its hints for comfort, but never gave it a thought, then the MBA, I didn't have to pop it up anymore.

When getting the MBA I had mis-givings about the wedge shape, NOBODY made a wedge shaped laptop before the Air and I was afraid of its weird shape on my hands, but NO, it's absolutely comfortable! Don't you love it when you buy a product and feel that, yeah, SOMEBODY put some thought into it. Brilliant.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 02:22 AM   #3
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Now that u mention it, my old box-shaped laptop, I popped it up on its hints for comfort, but never gave it a thought, then the MBA, I didn't have to pop it up anymore.

When getting the MBA I had mis-givings about the wedge shape, NOBODY made a wedge shaped laptop before the Air and I was afraid of its weird shape on my hands, but NO, it's absolutely comfortable! Don't you love it when you buy a product and feel that, yeah, SOMEBODY put some thought into it. Brilliant.
As long as the MBP models maintain the current design, then I can't go back. The perfection of the MBA design has ruined them for me.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 05:21 AM   #4
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The problem is probably that the 13" rMBP still uses the same GPU as the Air, while having 4 times the pixels to push. I'm intrigued by the rMBP too, but in all hosety, it's currently too weak to drive that display. Maybe in a year or two the GPU will have caught up, but for now I agree - MBA is awesome
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 03:53 PM   #5
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I was taking a look at the specs between the two units. It now makes sense, considering both the MBA and rMBP have the same integrated video card. That's mind boggling to me.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 04:06 PM   #6
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I was taking a look at the specs between the two units. It now makes sense, considering both the MBA and rMBP have the same integrated video card. That's mind boggling to me.
Exactly, that's why it is nonsense for me a retina with HD4000. Maybe new Haswell video cards will change the situation in late 2013, but right now I find rMBP 13" laggy when used at scaled resolutions (more than 1280x800).
Btw, there are people who don't even notice it....
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 04:40 PM   #7
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I guess that's why Apple makes both lines. I switched from an 11" MacBook Air to a 13" rMBP and, even though I'd been using MacBook Airs since February 2008, I'm happy with the switch and won't go back to a MacBook Air until it gets a Retina Display (which I'm hoping is this year).
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 05:07 PM   #8
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I guess that's why Apple makes both lines. I switched from an 11" MacBook Air to a 13" rMBP and, even though I'd been using MacBook Airs since February 2008, I'm happy with the switch and won't go back to a MacBook Air until it gets a Retina Display (which I'm hoping is this year).
I agree with that statement! As soon as an AIR is released with a Retina display my current rMBP will be getting sold.

As for lag like some others have mentioned, I see a few hangups here and there, nothing crazy, but yea there is some slight lag from time to time that honestly shouldn't be present on such an expensive machine.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 07:26 PM   #9
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I agree with that statement! As soon as an AIR is released with a Retina display my current rMBP will be getting sold.
I agree with this 100%. Combine the most desirable feature of the rMBP with the form factor of the MBA = perfection.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 05:35 PM   #10
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Exactly, that's why it is nonsense for me a retina with HD4000. Maybe new Haswell video cards will change the situation in late 2013, but right now I find rMBP 13" laggy when used at scaled resolutions (more than 1280x800).
Btw, there are people who don't even notice it....
If it wasn't for companies like Apple pushing the envelope, Intel would probably still be putting out garbage like the GMA 950. Supposedly it was Apple who pushed Intel to improve the integrated graphics (hence the reason it stuck with the Core 2 Duo for so long on the Air and 13" Pro), and also to focus on reducing the TDP.

As you point out, lots of people don't even notice the lag. HD 4000 isn't spectacular, but it's "good enough" so that Apple didn't see the need to wait any longer to release the rMBP.
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Old Feb 18, 2013, 06:00 PM   #11
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If it wasn't for companies like Apple pushing the envelope, Intel would probably still be putting out garbage like the GMA 950. Supposedly it was Apple who pushed Intel to improve the integrated graphics (hence the reason it stuck with the Core 2 Duo for so long on the Air and 13" Pro), and also to focus on reducing the TDP.

As you point out, lots of people don't even notice the lag. HD 4000 isn't spectacular, but it's "good enough" so that Apple didn't see the need to wait any longer to release the rMBP.
I agree with you, Apple is pushing Intel to update their performances, and I still understand there are people who are happy with a "good enough" experience from their products. We are all different, and it's absolutely normal to have different opinions on their stuff.

Anyway, SJ's Apple has never been a "good enough" company. Others were: HP, Microsoft, Samsung, Acer etc. but not Apple.

Should Apple have forgotten its roots, its impulse to -no compromise- quality, that would means it's only a matter of time before it becomes a Samsung or so.
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I agree with you, Apple is pushing Intel to update their performances, and I still understand there are people who are happy with a "good enough" experience from their products. We are all different, and it's absolutely normal to have different opinions on their stuff.

Anyway, SJ's Apple has never been a "good enough" company. Others were: HP, Microsoft, Samsung, Acer etc. but not Apple.

Should Apple have forgotten its roots, its impulse to -no compromise- quality, that would means it's only a matter of time before it becomes a Samsung or so.
This would be the same Steve Jobs who shipped the original MacBook Air with the Intel GMA, 4200rpm HDD, and Merom Core 2 Duo that put out so much heat it frequently shut down a processor core. It also had a flimsy hinge that Apple didn't quite get right until October 2010. Evidently he thought it was "good enough" to put out.

The 2012/early 2013 rMBP is a far more refined product than the 2008 MacBook Air.
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