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Apple Licenses Nokia Patents, Ending Lawsuits

Oletros said:
And you know this because
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Try actually reading the lawsuits. Simple case of Apple needing to license gsm patents that Nokia is legally obligated to license at fair price. Apple simply didn't want to pay more than HTC, Samsung, Motorola etc etc. The issue has been resolved in a pretty obvious manner. Sometimes it takes a lot of arm waving to get the right deal done.... Such as this case. End of the day it's really business as usual.
 
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I do wonder if Mr Elop and his pals at Microsoft helped sway things now Nokia are in bed with MS?

I take it if MS ever did buy Nokia (which has turned out to be wrong so far), would that put MS and Apple into collision course at all?

Good to see an end to this one.
 
teknishn said:
Try actually reading the lawsuits. Simple case of Apple needing to license gsm patents that Nokia is legally obligated to license at fair price. Apple simply didn't want to pay more than HTC, Samsung, Motorola etc etc. The issue has been resolved in a pretty obvious manner. Sometimes it takes a lot of arm waving to get the right deal done.... Such as this case. End of the day it's really business as usual.
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And Nokia said this was not true, so?

Who is telling the truth? Do you know?
 
ChazUK said:
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I do wonder if Mr Elop and his pals at Microsoft helped sway things now Nokia are in bed with MS?

I take it if MS ever did buy Nokia (which has turned out to be wrong so far), would that put MS and Apple into collision course at all?

Good to see an end to this one.
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My personal opinion is that Apple is all over MS/Nokia marriage. From a business, not religious, standpoint it's Android that is the big enemy. Any gain by MS/Nokia is likely to cost Android marketshare not Apple. From an IP standpoint, (everyone borrows a little from everyone), but MS does play by the big boys rules. It's google that likes to unconsciencely rip off any and all IP. No surprise that they refuse to indemnify any of their licensees.
 
FOSS is full of ot

This isn't a victory for NOKIA.

This is a win by Apple. Nokia had all but 2 Patents thrown out and the last two only up for review.

Apple won this one.
 
teknishn said:
Probably because all publicly traded companies financials are public. Are we in preschool?
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Okay then. How much are the other manufacturers paying Nokia for the patents in question? I suspect that kind of information is hard to get a hold of but I am prepared to be proven wrong.

Oletros said:
And Nokia said this was not true, so?

Who is telling the truth? Do you know?
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Probably both. Some reports indicated Nokia wanted a percentage instead of a flat rate. The same deal as other manufacturers but more costly for Apple since they only sell high end phones.
 
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Oletros said:
And Nokia said this was not true, so?

Who is telling the truth? Do you know?
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I'm not sure what the point is debating these details..... I mean with all due respect. We aren't talking any serious $$$ innovation being ripped off here we are talking about gsm standards kit. That Apple needed a license isn't in question..... Just like everyone else. As we stand now there is a deal in place that both sides are happy with. I wouldn't call this a win for anyone. I'd call it business as usual. Better yet I'd call it a win/win for both companies. Now they both can move on with their respective plans.

Oletros said:
Why?
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Its just my personal opinion. Not saying that is the case for certain. I'm not being biased or anything just calling it like I see it. Apple has their slice and it's growing... I don't think it'll ever be as massive as something as open as Android.... Ever. That's not Apples game. Android has exploded to a pretty huge saturation point. They are everywhere on every carrier x10. To me that means that anybody coming to play that is serious will erode into that and not Apples nich. Again, just my take. Ultimately, I see a healthy market of android #1, Apple #2, and MS, HP, And RIM combining for the last third of the pie.
 
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lilo777 said:
Do you really believe that this deal was signed on the terms offered by Apple before? And why do you need to quote what's generally a common knowledge on this forum?
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To be honest, it HAS to signed generally under those original terms, because that is all Nokia are ALLOWED to ask for (at least where the GSM-related patents are concerned).

If there's some non-standards related stuff, then sure those terms will most likely be different.

Besides which, despite it being "common knowledge", a lot of people on this forum seem to be disregarding the facts, is all.
 
twilson said:
To be honest, it HAS to signed generally under those original terms, because that is all Nokia are ALLOWED to ask for (at least where the GSM-related patents are concerned).
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Do you know what the original terms were?

We only know that Apple said one thing and Nokia another, wew don't know nor the original terms nor the settled terms.
 
twilson said:
To be honest, it HAS to signed generally under those original terms, because that is all Nokia are ALLOWED to ask for (at least where the GSM-related patents are concerned).

If there's some non-standards related stuff, then sure those terms will most likely be different.

Besides which, despite it being "common knowledge", a lot of people on this forum seem to be disregarding the facts, is all.
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So totally correct. Never ceases to amaze me that ppl ignore facts and play on fanboyism.

From a pure business standpoint Nokia played this great. They know they need to license the gsm kit, but they decide to F with Apple to open a dialogue on 'other' IP issues. I'm sure the deal left both sides comfortable in more than one way.
 
Hmm... I thought based on the ITC ruling Apple didn't even use any of the Nokia patents. Why is that in the end Apple would pay to Nokia about these patents? Could it be that there's not much going inside ITC than plain old "USA USA USA" chanting? Does EU have a same kind of pro EU ruling entity?
 
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lilo777 said:
NoNothing said:
I don't think anyone said that. Apple just wanted the same "fair and reasonable" rates others got. I don't think anybody assumed Apple was not going to pay for the use of the tech.
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I am glad we agree that Apple "borrowed" a lot of Nokia creations and not vice versa. It is indicative that cross-licensing agreement is not part of this deal. Apparently Nokia did not find anything they would need to patent from Apple.
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Who cares at this point.

How about Nokia patenting a friggin clue?

This company is nearly defunct. They're doomed unles WP7 saves them and at this point WP7 barely has any traction, no one really cares about it and carriers are actually pushing customers *away* from the platform. WP7 share has actually been shrinking. Both Nokia and WP7 need to somehow survive into 2012, and *then* consumers need to somehow find it in themselves to actually give a damn.

There's nothing to boast about here regarding Nokia, unless we're applauding stupidity and laziness.
 
peperoni said:
Hmm... I thought based on the ITC ruling Apple didn't even use any of the Nokia patents. Why is that in the end Apple would pay to Nokia about these patents? Could it be that there's not much going inside ITC than plain old "USA USA USA" chanting? Does EU have a same kind of pro EU ruling entity?
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I know right? I'm starting to think the ITC is on par with the UN. They'll start writing strongly worded letters.

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As a former, but still registered developer, I still see this all unfolding from the developers pov.

With Apple you have an absolute juggernaut on the ios side that covers Mac, iPod, iPhone, iPad. Single environment for all. Well established for all. Money pouring in on every front.

For Android you have the easiest to develop for, but you're stuck writing for least common denominator or 15 different screen resolutions and 5 different memory profiles. And let's not get started on completely separate tablet situ. In closing you also have to consider lack of profit with android venture, and other IP related issues. It'll be curious to see where Oracle sends this thing.

MS. You've got visual studio, .Net, silvercloud....now with windows 8 html5 and JavaScript. One phrase.... Sweet mother of Jerusalem. Talk about a hot mess of epic proportions.

HP. You have to love web OS. It's pretty damn nice. Problem.... I don't see how it can or will gain any traction.

RIM. Be strong, I hate to offend any, but the best I can give it is hot garbage.
 
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If it wasnt for NOKIA there would be no apple i love my IPHONE 4 thanks to Nokia this phone isd possible and every cell phone maker in the world except probably Motorola who has been around a long time owes Nokia its ok to be an Apple fan boy but right is right nokia doesnt need Apples patents Apple needs Nokias patents to continue to inovate for the upcoming Iphone 5.
 
"We are very pleased to have Apple join the growing number of Nokia licensees," said Nokia's chief executive Stephen Elop.

never thought I'd see this quote

😱
 
jav6454 said:
Its weird that Nokia did not license any Apple patents.... however that said I bet the whole deal would have ended in a M.A.D. situation.
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It could be that Apple didn't offer their IP up for licensing. They don't have to and can keep some things proprietary.

Think about... Could be genius. By acknowledging Nokias patents and them acknowledging Apples, but Apple not licensing, Nokia will have to make sure W7 will not use any Apple IP, or they will be open to a nasty lawsuit.

Malty said:
"We are very pleased to have Apple join the growing number of Nokia licensees," said Nokia's chief executive Stephen Elop.

never thought I'd see this quote

😱
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It's the only way they're going to make any money in the smart Phone space! 😛

cliveren13 said:
If it wasnt for NOKIA there would be no apple i love my IPHONE 4 thanks to Nokia this phone isd possible and every cell phone maker in the world except probably Motorola who has been around a long time owes Nokia its ok to be an Apple fan boy but right is right nokia doesnt need Apples patents Apple needs Nokias patents to continue to inovate for the upcoming Iphone 5.
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Just so you know... The patents in question have to do with GSM and wifi connections. It's something all smartphones need to patent and have nothing to do with the iPhone 5.
 
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