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Apple Adds New Samsung Products to Infringement Lawsuit, Strengthens Assertions
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The entire purpose of a smart phone is to receive not only calls, but texts, e-mails, notifications from applications, etc. The notification system is an integral part of a smartphone. It's not like Apple copied some obscure feature hardly anyone ever uses. The notification system is nearly as giant as the OS itself.
Here's a picture of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 from Samsung's own site:
Please tell me how, in any way, shape or form, that resembles iOS on the iPad? It doesn't.
Those pics are NOT of the samsung home screen. The actual home screen does not look like the iphone other than having a dock at the bottom.
That pic shows what appears when you tap the applications button to show your apps... So just walking into a store and looking at the home screens will NOT look like an iPhone.
RIM has a grid layout on its Playbook organized by media, games, utilities, etc. It even has the same WiFi icon as used in Mac OS X, with a bar at the top in the same location.
Furthermore, as has been pointed out, Apple is using a cherry-picked screenshot of the samsung galaxy S ui as a justification for a lawsuit.
It doesn't look anywhere close to like that. Unless you add app icons to the desktop.
With the way that Android lets you customize your home screens, you can make it look like a grid of icons like iOS, or you can make it look completely different. Full control is yours. Apple is just cherry picking screenshots.
The only part of my Android phone that resembles anything in iOS is the notification system, which I had first
The only part of my Android phone that resembles anything in iOS is the notification system, which I had first
This is the absurd couching of the argument people make when they come here to "debate" the issue of Apple's creativity.
1. They claim people who support Apple in this case must believe Apple created everything that went into their products.
2. They then turn it into individual battles about who designed what element first.
Unfortunately too many people get roped into accepting this is what the argument is about. The truth is that Apple deserves a lot of credit for assembling ideas (some of their own and some general industry principles) into new products. The argument most of us make who believe Apple deserves credit for this, is that they stick their necks out when they do this because they do not just do a small run and see if it catches on. They decide this is the new product and get behind it. The iphone and ipad were great successes and while they were not the first of their kind, they did establish the expectations of the consumer.
So if you want to get rammed into some tit for tat about who brought feature X out first be my guest. I don't bother because I can see the set up right away. I am not going to claim Apple invented every feature of their products. But I am going to argue that the smart phone and tablet markets are what they are because of Apple. If someone doesn't agree then so be it. What can I or anyone say to make someone give Apple credit?
And I'm certainly not going to waste time with people who drop "apple fanboy" in their first post on a thread. It is funny that these people demand a response to their couched argument after starting with an insult. LOL
You know when you are getting under some people's skin when certain things happen. One poster said he put you on the ignore list. LOL. One of the people I described above.
1. They claim people who support Apple in this case must believe Apple created everything that went into their products.
2. They then turn it into individual battles about who designed what element first.
Unfortunately too many people get roped into accepting this is what the argument is about. The truth is that Apple deserves a lot of credit for assembling ideas (some of their own and some general industry principles) into new products. The argument most of us make who believe Apple deserves credit for this, is that they stick their necks out when they do this because they do not just do a small run and see if it catches on. They decide this is the new product and get behind it. The iphone and ipad were great successes and while they were not the first of their kind, they did establish the expectations of the consumer.
So if you want to get rammed into some tit for tat about who brought feature X out first be my guest. I don't bother because I can see the set up right away. I am not going to claim Apple invented every feature of their products. But I am going to argue that the smart phone and tablet markets are what they are because of Apple. If someone doesn't agree then so be it. What can I or anyone say to make someone give Apple credit?
And I'm certainly not going to waste time with people who drop "apple fanboy" in their first post on a thread. It is funny that these people demand a response to their couched argument after starting with an insult. LOL
You know when you are getting under some people's skin when certain things happen. One poster said he put you on the ignore list. LOL. One of the people I described above.
I don't think fairness or karma have anything to do with it.
In 2007 they didn't have a substantial case. Now they do. Now it's time for them to claim the megabucks! And I'm sure the success of the past few years, coupled with all these imitations, have done wonders for Apple egos. After all, imitation is the highest form of flattery, is it not?
Strong words coming from someone who's thrown around the fanboy insult before:
Grow up.
Seems like you're now dancing around the issue instead of addressing the issue. The issue is whether or not the Touch interface looks like iOS. Apple is disseminating a cherry picked screenshot that makes it look kinda similar to iOS and saying that it WILL cause consumer confusion, which is a weak argument as people are rational enough to look at packaging, the big giant Samsung stamped across the top, or the fact the phones don't look as similar as people like you state.
The backs don't look anything like any model of the iPhone, the sides don't look anything like the iPhone and the front looks only marginally, and any consumer confusion that might occur would be instantly cleared up by the giant Samsung stamped at the top.
Then there's the onscreen UI. Again, a cherry picked screenshot of the UI by Apple.
All Apple is doing is ******** on their parts manufacturer that's putting out a competing phone for presumably less than the cost of the iPhone and cherry picking screenshots of the phone as examples that they've copied Apple.
And their evidence: grid layout and the color of the phone button, never mind that Apple was not the first to color the phone button green and is common across almost all brands of phones.
I'm with Apple on this one. The phones and tablets of Apple and Samsung look so similar that many people are very likely to mistake one for another. Or in another words, Samsung is clearly copying Apple to create similar or almost the same products to monetize the wave of popularity of iPhones and iPads.
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So I don't comment very often but boy do I read. Let me just add my two cents as this is getting pretty funny.
I'd like to point out that everyone copies everyone, to a certain degree. Apple took older ideas and tried to change the phone to be more like a computer. That's old. They added touch and did a phenomenal job designing. This isn't news, and is shown by their sales.
Google wanted the same thing but a more broad spectrum, allowing each hardware company to customize the core OS to their respectable devices. This in theory is amazing. But in my opinion can create fragmentation, whatever.
What Samsung did was copy the entire look and feel of the iPhone. I mean c'mon you guys are seeming to forget that Apple brought Samsung's marketing to the table. The ad looks like Apple's.
Apple did not copy Android's look and feel with iOS5. They are pushing an evolutionary improvement. Yes the notifications may be just like the Android but it's also similar to WebOS' notification system. They are actually leveling the playing field. To me Android users should say dang, about time and shutup. It happens. Instead let's focus on why iOS5 will still be a selling point BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE LIKE HOW APPLE OPERATES. I don't buy Apple phones cuz they sometimes work for me. They are powerful devices and I like how they look. Over Android.
Android fanboys just leave. Why are you posting worthless crap? I read your forums but feel no need to bash every new "inspirational" phone model that comes out 2 months AFTER I just read the review for the now out dated model.
So I don't comment very often but boy do I read. Let me just add my two cents as this is getting pretty funny.
I'd like to point out that everyone copies everyone, to a certain degree. Apple took older ideas and tried to change the phone to be more like a computer. That's old. They added touch and did a phenomenal job designing. This isn't news, and is shown by their sales.
Google wanted the same thing but a more broad spectrum, allowing each hardware company to customize the core OS to their respectable devices. This in theory is amazing. But in my opinion can create fragmentation, whatever.
What Samsung did was copy the entire look and feel of the iPhone. I mean c'mon you guys are seeming to forget that Apple brought Samsung's marketing to the table. The ad looks like Apple's.
Apple did not copy Android's look and feel with iOS5. They are pushing an evolutionary improvement. Yes the notifications may be just like the Android but it's also similar to WebOS' notification system. They are actually leveling the playing field. To me Android users should say dang, about time and shutup. It happens. Instead let's focus on why iOS5 will still be a selling point BECAUSE SOME PEOPLE LIKE HOW APPLE OPERATES. I don't buy Apple phones cuz they sometimes work for me. They are powerful devices and I like how they look. Over Android.
Android fanboys just leave. Why are you posting worthless crap? I read your forums but feel no need to bash every new "inspirational" phone model that comes out 2 months AFTER I just read the review for the now out dated model.
That fake iPhone reminds me of these fake ass Jords. They may look similar but c'mon.
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It's apparent that Samsung was deliberately trying to make an iPhone knockoff.
LA Gears were freaking amazing.
As stated before the screen Apple is showing is not how the phone looks out of the box. Out of the box the phone has multiple widgets on the home screen. Thats the difference an Android phone can be anything it wants. The iPhone will always just be the iPhone.
Here's a picture of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 from Samsung's own site:
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Please tell me how, in any way, shape or form, that resembles iOS on the iPad? It doesn't.
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I have a white 16GB 10.1 tab sitting next to me. Having used iOS since the first gen iPod Touch, up to and including iPad 2, I can say that Android 3.1 doesn't at all "feel" like iOS. Great, sure, the screen has icons arranged in various pages. And Windows has a desktop, with icons, just like OS X.
The 10.1 does indeed "feel", physically, like an iPad. It even looks like it, complete with the one-inch black border. (BTW, the border does not have the Samsung name stamped on it as shown in that picture.) Maybe Samsung should've made the border white or green or purple or otherwise non-black to differentiate themselves from competitors. Seriously, what other form factor would a tablet have so as to not look like a competitor? Triangular? Spherical? Ugh.
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I have a white 16GB 10.1 tab sitting next to me. Having used iOS since the first gen iPod Touch, up to and including iPad 2, I can say that Android 3.1 doesn't at all "feel" like iOS. Great, sure, the screen has icons arranged in various pages. And Windows has a desktop, with icons, just like OS X.
The 10.1 does indeed "feel", physically, like an iPad. It even looks like it, complete with the one-inch black border. (BTW, the border does not have the Samsung name stamped on it as shown in that picture.) Maybe Samsung should've made the border white or green or purple or otherwise non-black. Seriously, what other form factor would a tablet have so as to not look like a competitor? Triangular? Spherical? Ugh.
Apple would still have sued if it were white.
The problem isn't that Samsung is mimicking the look of the iphone.... that has been done to death already by many other manufacturers.
The problem is that Samsung is mimicking the look of the iPhone *AND*
1. They have the distribution network in place to out-sell Apple
2. Their devices offer more features
3. Their devices are usually cheaper than Apple's.
A lost iphone sale isn't just $200-$300... it is another customer who doesn't get locked in to the Apple ecosystem.
Apple knows that they flat out cannot compete in the feature department. The Android OEMs just have too much combined capacity and brain-power. Apple's only hope is what has always helped them move products... marketing and differentiation their product from the rest of the bunch.
Samsung's similar looking devices are taking away that edge. They are coming at Apple HARD, and Apple knows that they are at a competitive disadvantage to a huge conglomerate like Samsung that can almost build complete phones entirely using Samsung-manufactured components (screens, memory, processors, almost everything).
At the end of the day, I don't think that Apple is looking to put a stop to Samsung. Big companies that sue each other over patent issues usually work out deals. I think that Apple is looking for some kind of leverage to use against Samsung where they currently have none.
Maybe they want a sweetheart deal on components or licenses for Super AMOLED+ displays.... who knows. Personally, I'd like to see Apple lose this suit. Maybe if the heat gets turned on they will start innovating again instead of calling other manufacturers copycats 4 months before they steal those same manufacturers' features.
The problem is that Samsung is mimicking the look of the iPhone *AND*
1. They have the distribution network in place to out-sell Apple
2. Their devices offer more features
3. Their devices are usually cheaper than Apple's.
A lost iphone sale isn't just $200-$300... it is another customer who doesn't get locked in to the Apple ecosystem.
Apple knows that they flat out cannot compete in the feature department. The Android OEMs just have too much combined capacity and brain-power. Apple's only hope is what has always helped them move products... marketing and differentiation their product from the rest of the bunch.
Samsung's similar looking devices are taking away that edge. They are coming at Apple HARD, and Apple knows that they are at a competitive disadvantage to a huge conglomerate like Samsung that can almost build complete phones entirely using Samsung-manufactured components (screens, memory, processors, almost everything).
At the end of the day, I don't think that Apple is looking to put a stop to Samsung. Big companies that sue each other over patent issues usually work out deals. I think that Apple is looking for some kind of leverage to use against Samsung where they currently have none.
Maybe they want a sweetheart deal on components or licenses for Super AMOLED+ displays.... who knows. Personally, I'd like to see Apple lose this suit. Maybe if the heat gets turned on they will start innovating again instead of calling other manufacturers copycats 4 months before they steal those same manufacturers' features.
