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Old Jun 24, 2011, 03:22 PM   #176
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He should have done something like this 2 years ago. Amazing how the start of a reelection campaign gets him to do ****.
I agree, off he went on his healthcare plan that half of the country didnt even want. He screwed up but its a sad state of affairs to see these politicians all pandering to their special interest 1 1/2 years before the next election. Whats 500 million? Our broken govt hell bent on fighting each others party instead of fixing whats wrong.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 03:27 PM   #177
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I agree, off he went on his healthcare plan that half of the country didnt even want. He screwed up but its a sad state of affairs to see these politicians all pandering to their special interest 1 1/2 years before the next election. Whats 500 million? Our broken govt hell bent on fighting each others party instead of fixing whats wrong.
He ran on healthcare so I'm OK with it. I just think he needed to deal with the economy and jobs before that. It took the wind out of every other issue while it was being debated and likely made this economic recovery slower.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 03:30 PM   #178
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He should have done something like this 2 years ago. Amazing how the start of a reelection campaign gets him to do ****.
No kidding. He should have done a lot of things 2 years ago that he promised to do and suddenly, he's talking about them again. Oh yeah, gay marriage, forgot about that.....
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 03:39 PM   #179
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He ran on healthcare so I'm OK with it. I just think he needed to deal with the economy and jobs before that. It took the wind out of every other issue while it was being debated and likely made this economic recovery slower.
It's not that he hasn't tried tackling the economy, it's that he didn't do enough. The stimulus was too small and too reliant on tax cuts.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 03:45 PM   #180
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It's not that he hasn't tried tackling the economy, it's that he didn't do enough. The stimulus was too small and too reliant on tax cuts.
I'm well aware of that. Yet he didn't bring it up. He needs a serious lesson in use of the bully pulpit. He never had the balls to bring up a second round of stimulus.

I won't vote for any of the Republicans now in the race but don't think I'll hold my nose and vote Obama either in 2012.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 03:50 PM   #181
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I'm well aware of that. Yet he didn't bring it up. He needs a serious lesson in use of the bully pulpit. He never had the balls to bring up a second round of stimulus.

I won't vote for any of the Republicans now in the race but don't think I'll hold my nose and vote Obama either in 2012.
What are my choices? Not thrilled with Obama, can;t stand the Republicans in the race now. What the hell do I do?
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 03:57 PM   #182
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What are my choices? Not thrilled with Obama, can;t stand the Republicans in the race now. What the hell do I do?
Things are only gonna get worse with a Republican in power, so why risk it?
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 04:14 PM   #183
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He never had the balls to bring up a second round of stimulus.
Sadly, I cannot remember my last second round of stimulus.

God, this place is full o' da serious, to zero effect.

But don't misunderstand me. I love the sound of heads on walls.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 04:18 PM   #184
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I won't vote for any of the Republicans now in the race but don't think I'll hold my nose and vote Obama either in 2012.
If enough people do that, the Republicans will win. Is that what you want?
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 04:25 PM   #185
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If enough people do that, the Republicans will win. Is that what you want?
Yes.

If they muddy the waters enough, and enough people vote "meh", they have won.

They have more troops on the ground, in so far as a solid vote-Republican block.

Those people will not change. It's the muted majority that have to speak-up.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 04:28 PM   #186
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Yes.

If they muddy the waters enough, and enough people vote "meh", they have won.

They have more troops on the ground, in so far as a solid vote-Republican block.

Those people will not change. It's the muted majority that have to speak-up.
I know that that's what Republicans want. I was asking rdowns if that's what he wants. I don't recall him being Republican.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 04:29 PM   #187
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If enough people do that, the Republicans will win. Is that what you want?
I live in a very blue state, NY. My non-vote for him won't matter.

I voted more Rep. than Dem. before they went all bat ***** insane.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 04:37 PM   #188
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I live in a very blue state, NY. My non-vote for him won't matter.

I voted more Rep. than Dem. before they went all bat ***** insane.
Every vote matters, what did they teach you at school? Ever seen Swing State?
But seriously, how many people are there who won't vote? If things go the way they went during the midterm elections, the odds of a Republican winning are not all that bad.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 04:54 PM   #189
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I live in a very blue state, NY. My non-vote for him won't matter.

I voted more Rep. than Dem. before they went all bat ***** insane.
Fair enough I suppose. If you weren't in a primarily blue state, or if somehow your state could go either way (hypothetical, I know), what would you do (WWRDD?)?

However, if Bachman wins, I'm blaming you.
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Voting in a Democracy is an obligation that should be taken seriously.

Enforce the lazy bastards to at least make an effort to participate, like Australia.

If you want to be passive, move to a Communist country. No need to ever vote.
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Fair enough I suppose. If you weren't in a primarily blue state, or if somehow your state could go either way (hypothetical, I know), what would you do (WWRDD?)?

However, if Bachman wins, I'm blaming you.

In either instance, I'd vote for Obama. Twice.
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Why do we have to share this country with so many idiots?
Because the jails and mental hospitals aren't large enough to hold all the democrats?? Ba-dam-ching! I'll be here all night, remember to tip your waitresses and bartenders!
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I live in a very blue state, NY. My non-vote for him won't matter.

I voted more Rep. than Dem. before they went all bat ***** insane.
Just like me before the republicans got really bought off to the point of ignoring the people.
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I live in a very blue state, NY. My non-vote for him won't matter.

I voted more Rep. than Dem. before they went all bat ***** insane.
Do you know how many gay and progressive people I have heard say things like that lately? Quite a lot! Every person should vote. Anyone that doesn't vote as far as I am concerned, have no grounds to complain about anything since they chose to do nothing when they had a chance. Just like a wedding, a vote is a "speak now or forever hold your peace" kind of thing.

So don't sit this one out. Or any election for that matter. Always remember the people in other countries who would love to be in your place and be able to vote. Hell, remember the people of this country that gave their LIVES so that we all could live in a country where we could vote! I think throwing a vote away dishonors all the people who have fought for that and are still fighting in some places today for that privilege.
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Old Jun 24, 2011, 11:40 PM   #195
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America, I have some very important advice for you:

Democracy is NOT voting once every four ****ing years

Until you wake up and take the power back, continue bitching about being ****ed left right and center every day in every way, while simultaneously complaining about how boring politics is.

Politics is your life, your community, your country. Step it the hell up.

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Old Jun 25, 2011, 12:03 AM   #196
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I won't vote for any of the Republicans now in the race but don't think I'll hold my nose and vote Obama either in 2012.
that's what I'm thinking, I'll probably switch my registration to republican to vote in the primary for whoever is the least scary republican and then in the general election vote for a third party candidate that is to the left of Obama.
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Old Jun 25, 2011, 01:13 AM   #198
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America, I have some very important advice for you:

Democracy is NOT voting once every four ****ing years

Until you wake up and take the power back, continue bitching about being ****ed left right and center every day in every way, while simultaneously complaining about how boring politics is.

Politics is your life, your community, your country. Step it the hell up.

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To the above quotes, which I heartily agree with, I have to add a piece of advice from Pappy:

"You may not often find someone to vote for... but you'll always find someone to vote against."
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I've been watching the Republicans on the campaign trail and what strikes me so far is that conservatives in America have gone through a strange transformation.
It used to be that conservatism was a hard-headed set of ideas rooted in reality.
Unlike the abstract theories of Marxism and socialism, it started not from an imagined society, but from the world as it actually exists.
"This is the way things work," conservatives would patiently explain to wooly headed liberal professors. "Whatever you may want it to look like, this is what it really looks like."
But consider the debates over the economy these days. The Republican prescription is cut taxes - slash government spending, then things will always bounce back.
Now, I would like to see lower tax rates in the context of simplification and reform, but what is the actual evidence that massive tax cuts are the single best path to revive the U.S. economy? Taxes as a percentage of GDP are at their lowest levels since 1950. The U.S. is among the lowest taxed of the big industrial economies.
So the case that America is grinding to a halt because of high taxation is not based on facts, either past or present. It is simply a theoretical assertion.
The rich countries after all are in the best shape right now with strong growth and low unemployment are ones like Germany, Denmark and Canada - none characterized by low taxes.
Meanwhile, many Republican businessmen have told me that the Obama administration is the most hostile to business in 50 years.
Really?
More than that of Richard Nixon, for example, who presided over tax rates that reached 70 percent, regulations that spanned whole industries like airlines and telecommunication and who actually instituted price and wage controls?
In fact, right now any discussion of any government involvement in the economy - even to build vital infrastructure - is impossible because it is a cardinal tenet of the new conservatism that such involvement is always and forever bad.
That's the theory.
Meanwhile, in practice across the globe the world's fastest growing economy, China, has managed to use government involvement to create growth and jobs for three decades.
From Singapore to South Korea to Germany, evidence abounds that some strategic actions by governments can act as catalysts for free market growth.
But conservatives now resemble the old Marxists who refuse to look at actual experience. "I know it works in practice," the old saw goes, "but does it work in theory?"
Republicans often praise businessmen. Well, one of the first steps any business now takes when confronting a problem is to ask, "How are other companies around the world handling this? Is there a best practice we can learn from?" But in any area, from infrastructure to health care to education, to ask these questions is heresy on the right.
It's a shame. I think we need smart, market-friendly conservative reforms that streamline government, cut costs in health care and empower individuals, but they need to be rooted in reality, drawn from best practices around the world and based on practical measures of what seems to work.
What we have instead are policies that are simply recitations of some free market theory taken out of some book based on no actually existing national economy.
It turns out conservatives have become the wooly headed professors after all.
For more on this, you can read my column in this week's
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn....iref=allsearch
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Do you know how many gay and progressive people I have heard say things like that lately? Quite a lot! Every person should vote. Anyone that doesn't vote as far as I am concerned, have no grounds to complain about anything since they chose to do nothing when they had a chance. Just like a wedding, a vote is a "speak now or forever hold your peace" kind of thing.

So don't sit this one out. Or any election for that matter. Always remember the people in other countries who would love to be in your place and be able to vote. Hell, remember the people of this country that gave their LIVES so that we all could live in a country where we could vote! I think throwing a vote away dishonors all the people who have fought for that and are still fighting in some places today for that privilege.
Please step off your high horse. Where did I say I wouldn't vote?

I have never missed voting. What I said was I might not vote for Obama.
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