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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:23 AM   #26
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By the way, the MR Buyers Guide still shows "Don't Buy - Updates Soon!" for the Macbook
Doesn't the classic ipod say that too?
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:30 AM   #27
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Am I the only one who hates Apple are their forcing ways. Removing Optical drives when MANY still use DVDs. I use my laptop for DVD playback all the time, buying a DVD feels much nicer than using iTunes.
I am sure you not the only one, but you are the minority. Consumers as a whole are abandoning the physical media, and buying content digitally. I am very glad Apple is leading the push to abandon old media, rather than continuing the old ways.

Even if you still buy DVDs - it's a very easy process to rip them into your iTunes library with an external drive at home. Then when you're on the road, you have a convenience of having your content available at a click of a mouse, as opposed to shuffling around optical disks. You know, the 21st century type stuff..
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:32 AM   #28
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Am I the only one who hates Apple are their forcing ways. Removing Optical drives when MANY still use DVDs. I use my laptop for DVD playback all the time, buying a DVD feels much nicer than using iTunes.
I hate when people say Apple is forcing something on them. If people are still using CDs, either use older Apple hardware that has them built in, or buy an external drive.

Apple is not coming to your house and taking your CD-drive away.

They are free to do as they please with the new product releases.

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Same for CD installs, what happens when you don't have Internet. Rip-off selling it for a stupid price.
Buy the USB stick for $70, or burn a Lion DVD after downloading Lion once.

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Windows 8 has higher hopes in my books now, for one it'll very likely be CD and USB installed (For tablets needing USB) and it does not force anything upon you.
Okay.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:33 AM   #29
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I am sure you not the only one, but you are the minority. Consumers as a whole are abandoning the physical media, and buying content digitally. I am very glad Apple is leading the push to abandon old media, rather than continuing the old ways.

Even if you still buy DVDs - it's a very easy process to rip them into your iTunes library with an external drive at home. Then when you're on the road, you have a convenience of having your content available at a click of a mouse, as opposed to shuffling around optical disks. You know, the 21st century type stuff..
How easy to rip DVDs into iTunes? I thought it was quite complicated due to all the built-in menus and extras in the DVDs I have like Doctor Who boxsets and you know.

Though it's nice having it all on a hard drive.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:37 AM   #30
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I get the SuperDrive omission from a strategic standpoint, but it sucks for people who wanted to use it as a media center computer. I think there is money to be made in developing a DVD or bluray peripheral that sits underneath the mini with the same form factor.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:38 AM   #31
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The Mac mini would be such a beast with a 6970. Why bother to add the 6630? That's like three years old.
It was released this year.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:38 AM   #32
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How easy to rip DVDs into iTunes? I thought it was quite complicated due to all the built-in menus and extras in the DVDs I have like Doctor Who boxsets and you know.

Though it's nice having it all on a hard drive.
Take the DVD you own, and put it in. Then use Mac The Ripper to decode it. Then use Handbrake to re-code it to iTunes friendly format. Then throw the new file you made into your itunes library and sync with your devices. Then stow away the DVD in storage.

You will have that Dr. Who on your computer (iTunes, Front Row), and on all your iDevices.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:41 AM   #33
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stoked they killed off the MB, that thing was pretty dated. Now the whole hardware line follows the looks of others. The MB had become the red headed step child
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:41 AM   #34
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Sometimes I think they don't want to sell macs. No DVD, low resolution on the macbook pro 13", only 64GB on the cheapest macbook air, and what with their promise for supporting games? What will Valve think of the Intel graphics? They can buy and do ANYTHING now with their amount of cash. They can have so much more marketshare if they would just release a new macbook with a good graphics card, dvd, and a nice price. What is possible with the tablets, should be possible with the macbook. Windows marketshare would drop in a second.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:48 AM   #35
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Sometimes I think they don't want to sell macs. No DVD, low resolution on the macbook pro 13", only 64GB on the cheapest macbook air, and what with their promise for supporting games? What will Valve think of the Intel graphics? They can buy and do ANYTHING now with their amount of cash. They can have so much more marketshare if they would just release a new macbook with a good graphics card, dvd, and a nice price. What is possible with the tablets, should be possible with the macbook. Windows marketshare would drop in a second.
You really do not know Apple if you think they care about having big chunks of marketshare by selling Mac's with lower profit margins. I'm pretty sure Apple is doing fine with the strategy they have in place now.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:48 AM   #36
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Question about the new Display. The Thunderbolt port will control audio, screen brightness, etc, without the need for the USB cable?

It also has only 1 thunderbolt port, how do you daisy chain multiple monitors? Is one of the ends of the cable from the actual monitor a Thunderbolt port?
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:49 AM   #37
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Sometimes I think they don't want to sell macs. No DVD, low resolution on the macbook pro 13", only 64GB on the cheapest macbook air, and what with their promise for supporting games? What will Valve think of the Intel graphics? They can buy and do ANYTHING now with their amount of cash. They can have so much more marketshare if they would just release a new macbook with a good graphics card, dvd, and a nice price. What is possible with the tablets, should be possible with the macbook. Windows marketshare would drop in a second.
Well, that is partly the case. 1/3 of their market is the iPhone and iPad. Laptops and desktops will vanish from the market. Just like desktops. They use to be in, everyone had one. Then when the laptop came out, everyone switched over and desktops became not popular. They are so cheap now because they are vanishing from the market. Now tablets, idevices, and mobile phones are the new market. They will make the laptop vanish. They are like the computer, phone, everything in your pocket. In a few years, Laptops will be "out". Its all going to be tablets and mobile smart phones.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:49 AM   #38
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Looks like a fairly solid round of updates that reinforces the fact that Apple aren't held back by sentimentality for old products or technologies.
Yes. This is how you move the industry forward.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:56 AM   #39
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I get the SuperDrive omission from a strategic standpoint, but it sucks for people who wanted to use it as a media center computer. I think there is money to be made in developing a DVD or bluray peripheral that sits underneath the mini with the same form factor.
They have an external Super Drive option in the online store for $79. It is an external drive though and probably won't match the mini visually (who knows) and I am sure cheaper options from OWC and others will show up very soon. It sure won't stop me from upgrading my home entertainment system...
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 11:57 AM   #40
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<The thumb drive option will be priced at $69?

$40 for a 4GB thumb drive?
It's not an ordinary thumb drive. It will have an apple logo on it.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:00 PM   #41
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They have an external Super Drive option in the online store for $79. It is an external drive though and probably won't match the mini visually (who knows) and I am sure cheaper options from OWC and others will show up very soon. It sure won't stop me from upgrading my home entertainment system...
Yeah it's the same one as the drive available for the Air. Fine in a pinch, not good as a permanent fixture like in a media center. Ah well. If only Netflix streaming content didn't suck then I wouldn't need a DVD drive at all
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:01 PM   #42
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It's not an ordinary thumb drive. It will have an apple logo on it.
And it's Apple's way of suggesting that you use the App Store.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:04 PM   #43
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In my opinion, it may be a bit soon to loose the opitcal drive on the mini. I still use my super drive alot on my Mac. However, the trade off appears to be the price point.

I personally don't see the Macbook Air taking taking place of the old Macbook.
I wonder if a new low end laptop is in the works.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:06 PM   #44
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MBA 13":

Like: Backlit Keyboard, Bluetooth 4.0
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:09 PM   #45
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$30 - Apple Specialist loading Lion onto the drive (~1 hr)


more like 3 yuan for someone to do it in China for 30 seconds.

How about a bring your own thumb drive--go into the Apple store, pay $30, and leave with it on a thumb drive?

Of course, this may be because the $69 thumb drive is effectively the family pack.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:10 PM   #46
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Question about the new Display. The Thunderbolt port will control audio, screen brightness, etc, without the need for the USB cable?

It also has only 1 thunderbolt port, how do you daisy chain multiple monitors? Is one of the ends of the cable from the actual monitor a Thunderbolt port?
The monitor has a thunderbolt port for daisy chaining from there.
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:16 PM   #47
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Old Jul 20, 2011, 12:17 PM   #48
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Am I the only one who hates Apple are their forcing ways. Removing Optical drives when MANY still use DVDs. I use my laptop for DVD playback all the time
Who's stopping you to do that? Just get an external DVD burner if that's so important for you and you need a MBA or Mac Mini.

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, buying a DVD feels much nicer than using iTunes.
Ehm, think about the environmental impact that really has. All the plastic that is used to create the case and the DVD, it's just a waste of resources. Seriosly, are you willing to pollute the planet more than necessary just because it "feels nicer"?

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Same for CD installs, what happens when you don't have Internet.
When you don't have internet for what? Reinstalling OS X Lion? If you've got a brain you can always follow a guide and make a partion with Lion and install from that... One can also ask himself why it's so necessary to reinstall OS X when you've got no internet, if you need to use OS X and install from a CD just install SL then? Also there are plenty of hotspots unless you live in the middle of a forest.

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Rip-off selling it for a stupid price.
No one is forcing you to buy it. You praised Windows 8 which will be waay more expensive than Lion, that's a stupid price. I think the price for Lion is fair.

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Windows 8 has higher hopes in my books now, for one it'll very likely be CD and USB installed (For tablets needing USB) and it does not force anything upon you.
So are you reinstalling your computer once a week here or what's the big deal? Well you're right that it's really necessary with Windows since you have to reinstall it once a week if you want a fast system since everything slows down after about one week, although that's not the case with OS X so I don't see the importance of it. And as I said you can always make a recovery partition.
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Take the DVD you own, and put it in. Then use Mac The Ripper to decode it. Then use Handbrake to re-code it to iTunes friendly format. Then throw the new file you made into your itunes library and sync with your devices. Then stow away the DVD in storage.

You will have that Dr. Who on your computer (iTunes, Front Row), and on all your iDevices.
MacTheRipper is a PowerPC application which means its unusable under Lion.
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So you're paying an extra $40 for 4-8GB USB flash drive?
Actually that's cheap when you take Apple Tax into consideration.
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