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Still Waiting for Mac Pro Updates, Suitable Intel Processors Due in Q4
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I don't think that it is.
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I don't think that it is.
daisy chaining 6 or 7 monitors with a single cable sounds like a good idea to me. its not only for HDDs remember
I'm actually a bit surprised at how much people complain about Mac Pros being refreshed infrequently.
The Mac Pro is Apple's machine with the LONGEST useful life of them all! I'm still using my 2006 Mac Pro, and it STILL feels fast even today! Anyone with the 2010 Mac Pro should still be cruising with a blisteringly fast system and not need to upgrade anytime soon.
Meanwhile, my former 2006 Macbook Pro (I sold it) was quite slow and very limited, especially by its maximum RAM capacity.
Mac Pros are investments, meant to be used for several years. Unless you're absurdly rich and must always have the latest gear, this should be common sense.
I'll probably be buying a new Mac Pro at the next refresh (five years into the ownership of my current one). How many other computers can you get five productive years out of before they start feeling slow? I'm a bit annoyed that I'll be forced to move to OS X Lion, but I'm sure they'll get some of its issues resolved by then.
The Mac Pro is Apple's machine with the LONGEST useful life of them all! I'm still using my 2006 Mac Pro, and it STILL feels fast even today! Anyone with the 2010 Mac Pro should still be cruising with a blisteringly fast system and not need to upgrade anytime soon.
Meanwhile, my former 2006 Macbook Pro (I sold it) was quite slow and very limited, especially by its maximum RAM capacity.
Mac Pros are investments, meant to be used for several years. Unless you're absurdly rich and must always have the latest gear, this should be common sense.
I'll probably be buying a new Mac Pro at the next refresh (five years into the ownership of my current one). How many other computers can you get five productive years out of before they start feeling slow? I'm a bit annoyed that I'll be forced to move to OS X Lion, but I'm sure they'll get some of its issues resolved by then.
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Originally Posted by GregAndonian
''With FCP? Thats just one program that they kind of screwed up on. They will get it right. Other than that they haven't messed with the Pro users''.
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Yeah ''getting it right'' sort of says.. What the hell I will only get half my edit right and my clients really will be just fine as they will only pay me half the fee.
If you use a pro machine you do because generally you need the power, to be able to add in other hardware and because your lively hood depends on it, oh and you paid the price for it so why shouldn't it be the best? The quote saying they have only screwed up FCP but it will be ok in the end shows the guy isn't a pro and he only plays with it. Also Apple have a good track record of dropping software we pros use such as Shake ( theres one they screwed up) and FCP server (another they screwed up) and they have dropped the server range. So they havent messed about at all with the pros have they? FCP X or the kiddies editing software as we call it may well in the end go as its not being supported seriously, only at a media level to stop the Apple kicking PR machine dead in its tracks, if they were serious they would have put all that was wrong with it correct before launch, do you honestly think Apple are not control freaks and know what they are doing? It wasn't designed for the pro market in the first place hence why all the pro needed stuff was omitted.
We held firm when Apple Computer where almost dead in the water but as in all most all businesses who havent much money in reserve like $60 Billion or whatever it is now cannot do two things at once such as a pro devision and consumer devision. The writing is truly on the wall but as in most cases you either put up or shut up and move along. OSX is so yesterday long live IOS and consumer profits.
Originally Posted by GregAndonian
''With FCP? Thats just one program that they kind of screwed up on. They will get it right. Other than that they haven't messed with the Pro users''.
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Yeah ''getting it right'' sort of says.. What the hell I will only get half my edit right and my clients really will be just fine as they will only pay me half the fee.
If you use a pro machine you do because generally you need the power, to be able to add in other hardware and because your lively hood depends on it, oh and you paid the price for it so why shouldn't it be the best? The quote saying they have only screwed up FCP but it will be ok in the end shows the guy isn't a pro and he only plays with it. Also Apple have a good track record of dropping software we pros use such as Shake ( theres one they screwed up) and FCP server (another they screwed up) and they have dropped the server range. So they havent messed about at all with the pros have they? FCP X or the kiddies editing software as we call it may well in the end go as its not being supported seriously, only at a media level to stop the Apple kicking PR machine dead in its tracks, if they were serious they would have put all that was wrong with it correct before launch, do you honestly think Apple are not control freaks and know what they are doing? It wasn't designed for the pro market in the first place hence why all the pro needed stuff was omitted.
We held firm when Apple Computer where almost dead in the water but as in all most all businesses who havent much money in reserve like $60 Billion or whatever it is now cannot do two things at once such as a pro devision and consumer devision. The writing is truly on the wall but as in most cases you either put up or shut up and move along. OSX is so yesterday long live IOS and consumer profits.
Unfortunately, this isn't the attitude in the MacRumors Alternate Reality Bubble.
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That chart gives a VERY clear confirmation about Apple's direction into the "mobile device post pc area". The curve better pan out soon or there will be no room left for Mac pro in the Apple line up.
That chart gives a VERY clear confirmation about Apple's direction into the "mobile device post pc area". The curve better pan out soon or there will be no room left for Mac pro in the Apple line up.
Slim the chasis up a bit, and allow it to support ANY AMD cards from the HD 6xxx and up (with exception to the 6990 for obvious reasons). It's complete rubbish that a Mac Pro can't use standard COTS PCI E cards.
I'd kind of like to see Apple drop the Xeons and just put in regular desktop CPUs in. And drop the price a few hundred while they're at it.
I don't want them to drop the Xenon's, but they do need to add another model to the Mac Pro lineup that uses i7 instead of Xenon. Then drop the price by at least $700. Some of us want the expansion of a traditional desktop, but have no need for top of the line Xenon processors. I'm not shelling out $2000 for a 27" iMac that is essentially a laptop that only fits 1 HDD and has no PCI-E expansion ports. It's just not gonna happen.
When will they learn?
I need to update my MacPro1.1 and don't see the point in investing $3k in the current MacPro without thunderbolt.
Why can't they just release more frequent updates instead of always waiting for the latest Intel chip every time?
I care more about the graphics card and i/o for audio/video than the cpu.
And while I'm venting, it'll be nice if they offered a smaller SSD that wasn't a +$1000 upgrade
Why can't they just release more frequent updates instead of always waiting for the latest Intel chip every time?
I care more about the graphics card and i/o for audio/video than the cpu.
And while I'm venting, it'll be nice if they offered a smaller SSD that wasn't a +$1000 upgrade
can't wait to have fun with the customizations on the apple store website
no way i'll be able to afford one lol
no way i'll be able to afford one lol
There will always be a high end Mac workstation. The margins are huge, and it lets them showcase OS X on a computer that competes with every other PC maker's high end monster Xeon box.
Apple has shown an increasing capacity for cutting loose its old customer base in favor of new armies of iConsumers. I have ceased to be surprised at Apple's cold profit-motive strategy.
I waited years with money in hand for the mythical new midrange desktop Mac. It's not going to happen.
No, Thunderbolt is for things that you'd tick into PCIe slots if you had them. The Mac Pro has PCIe slots. Want 6 monitors? Stick in two more graphics cards.
C.f. the rest of the range where the only model with any sort of expansion card capability is the 17" MacBookPro.
Anyway, most of the cool TB stuff is still "coming soon" whereas PCIe cards are available now...
We'll see a new Mac Pro within 1.5 months. The biggest clue was when Apple introduced the new Thunderbolt Cinema Display with a ship time of 2 months.
No way Apple sells that beautiful monitor without a Mac Pro to go along with it. It will be here soon enough.
No way Apple sells that beautiful monitor without a Mac Pro to go along with it. It will be here soon enough.
Of course not. Because they're money losers - and have been for a while now. The industry at large can barely get desktops to move as it is and you want Apple to introduce another one??
Let me rephrase your comment:
No, Thunderbolt is for things that you'd tick into PCIe slots if you had enough of them.
Many of us find out over time that we don't have enough PCIe slots - so adding external PCIe slots via TBolt would be a wonderful way to extend the life of an otherwise fine machine.
Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge
Apple should use the Mac Pro as the BTO platform for the professionals to build either Bulldozer or Sandy Bridge solutions.
September 26th brings Bulldozer version 1 to market. January brings Bulldozer 2 to market.
Apple should use the Mac Pro as the BTO platform for the professionals to build either Bulldozer or Sandy Bridge solutions.
September 26th brings Bulldozer version 1 to market. January brings Bulldozer 2 to market.
Tell me about it.
27-inch widescreen, 16:9 aspect ratio and 2560x1440 resolution.
Where else are you going to find that res in a 27-inch? Probably Dell and not much else.
Look around and you'll see that 99% of the 27-inch displays out there (and there aren't many) sport only a 1920x1080 res. Which is, funnily enough, what the majority of smaller 24-inch displays offer. Talk about wasting that extra 3 or so inches of 27 inches of space (in terms of desktop use.)
Sweet display indeed.
For higher-end video production it will be nice to buy a single ThB I/O device that can be used by all machines with ThB instead of buying buying product X that only works with laptops and product Y that only works with desktops.
Lethal
Mini will probably hang around
I mildly disagree. I think the Mac mini still deserves a place in the Apple lineup. It was originally aimed at the Windows switcher crowd as a drop-in replacement for their old Wintel box. Dump the beige box, plug in your existing monitor, kbd, mouse, and boom: you're a Mac user. For much less than even a base-model iMac.
But if you don't have a computer yet, or you're looking to add another Mac to your household or office or something, the Mac mini isn't necessarily such a good deal. Especially if you spring for the Cinema Display, which is $999 for either the new Thunderbolt or older Mini Display Port model.
The white plastic MacBook served its purpose. The first one served as the transition from the iBook marketing name to MacBook and was part of the first wave of Intel-based Macs back in 2006. And it was the last plastic computer Apple made (not counting the iPhone 3GS, which outlived the plastic MacBook.) Steve Jobs announced the MacBook Air as "the future of laptops," and evidently he meant it.
I mildly disagree. I think the Mac mini still deserves a place in the Apple lineup. It was originally aimed at the Windows switcher crowd as a drop-in replacement for their old Wintel box. Dump the beige box, plug in your existing monitor, kbd, mouse, and boom: you're a Mac user. For much less than even a base-model iMac.
But if you don't have a computer yet, or you're looking to add another Mac to your household or office or something, the Mac mini isn't necessarily such a good deal. Especially if you spring for the Cinema Display, which is $999 for either the new Thunderbolt or older Mini Display Port model.
The white plastic MacBook served its purpose. The first one served as the transition from the iBook marketing name to MacBook and was part of the first wave of Intel-based Macs back in 2006. And it was the last plastic computer Apple made (not counting the iPhone 3GS, which outlived the plastic MacBook.) Steve Jobs announced the MacBook Air as "the future of laptops," and evidently he meant it.
I don't even get how someone can actually complain that Apple does not update their Mac Pro lines "frequent enough", in a thread which has a headline about Intel's roadmap. Apple does not choose when to update their Mac Pro's, they are 100% dependent on Intel for that.
An early Mac Pro refresh will only bring thunderbolt, and maybe a new video card option and that's it. But for most of us, Mac Pro's are about CPU, chipset and memory speed. And those three crucial components are up to Intel and Intel only.
An early Mac Pro refresh will only bring thunderbolt, and maybe a new video card option and that's it. But for most of us, Mac Pro's are about CPU, chipset and memory speed. And those three crucial components are up to Intel and Intel only.