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Old Aug 18, 2011, 06:48 AM   #26
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It's somewhat disgusting the way planning comities / local governments pander to Apple.

Reminds me of the recent Cupertino city council meeting. The 'officials' were practically gushing over Steve Jobs and showing off their iPad's - it was cringeworthy.

At least pretend you're a professional...
I guess you're from a large city because you don't seem to have an understanding of how local government works.

If they're like the small governments I'm familiar with, these people all have day-jobs. This means that they go to work, have a quick dinner, and then do THIS job from 7 PM - 10 PM. They definitely don't get paid an amount that makes this something to do 'for the money.'

So, given that, any extra discussion on subjects can be the difference between getting home at 10 PM vs. Midnight. (Which does happen sometimes.)

So IF you're in that situation and IF you've thought about the Pro's-and-cons of this store AND you know how everyone else will vote (and you will know) then what incentive do you have to talk about it more? Remember, they probably HAVE talked about it with each other. The public meeting is the time to hash out your differences. If no one disagrees what should they talk about to fill up the time? Should they make up an argument? Would that make you happy? Fictional theater?

The only reason to drag it out is to waste time. Wasting time pointlessly is more "professional" to you? What profession are YOU in?

Remember, anyone with an issue is free to raise it. If they don't have any it's dumb to just talk about nothing for no reason.

If you're used to big-city politics where your city council is a full-time job then ou might hold them to a different standard. But when they only work 10 hours a week it's dumb to want them to spend any of that time on things that they've already decided on ahead of time.

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Old Aug 18, 2011, 06:56 AM   #27
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Glass roof with a room full of Glossy Displays.

Is this some idea of a sick joke?
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:10 AM   #28
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If they considered it, the roof should to be deeply shaded, becose I think a plain transparent wouldn't give the better light to show apple products; by now, LED screens are not so brilliant as the architect think.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:24 AM   #29
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Let's see... an abandoned Borders store that is not bringing in any tax revenue or a new Apple store that will bring in tax revenue... hmmmm... what should we do?
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:28 AM   #30
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It's somewhat disgusting the way planning comities / local governments pander to Apple.

Reminds me of the recent Cupertino city council meeting. The 'officials' were practically gushing over Steve Jobs and showing off their iPad's - it was cringeworthy.

At least pretend you're a professional...
You do realize how much money they bring in to the city?
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:29 AM   #31
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Wouldn't it be hot inside?? Think greenhouse effect... I mean they will obviously use ACs...but still I don't think that's a good design....coming from Apple I expect more...

What's more...on a sunny day...I wouldn't want to feel like I'm "shopping" for products OUTSIDE...feels very cheap...feels like buying something from an illegal street merchant..
Have you ever BEEN to the 3rd St. Promenade? Shopping (and life) is different when it's sunny and 72 year-round Shopping, dining, and living outside is what we do. Trust me, far from "cheap", it is heaven.

(But don't come to Cali - we have too many people and tourists here already
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:36 AM   #32
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It's a shame, really. That was the location of the last remaining bookstore in the West Los Angeles area. And it was a damn fine bookstore too... 3 stories worth of everything you could ever imagine. There is only one other bookstore left in the ENTIRE Los Angeles region... at The Grove.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:41 AM   #33
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As much as I love Apple products, I wholeheartedly agree with you. What's the purpose of holding a public meeting at all, if the board members aren't going to at least publicly discuss pros and cons of the project?
its a nice looking store that will improve the area, what's to discuss?
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:45 AM   #34
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Look at the picture. The other roofs are flat and must have hidden drains. The water doesn't overflow down their sides.

So I think he's talking about how the Apple store's curved roof doesn't even appear to have gutters. Of course, that's almost certainly artistic license in that drawing. I highly suspect it does have hidden drains along the edges.

PS. Good thing it's not white painted glass. It'd be delayed for years while they work out the light leak and reflection issues
I agree it will be interesting to see how they deal with rain as it cant pour over the front.

Also countering the suns rays may prove difficult and/or costly.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:49 AM   #35
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Wouldn't it be hot inside?? Think greenhouse effect... I mean they will obviously use ACs...but still I don't think that's a good design....coming from Apple I expect more...

What's more...on a sunny day...I wouldn't want to feel like I'm "shopping" for products OUTSIDE...feels very cheap...feels like buying something from an illegal street merchant..
And how would you see the products? Stupid LCDs reflect all light.

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Does this mean that all new Macs will come with anti-reflection glass displays. Just think about all that sunlight and the reflections.

Can you actually read an iPad or iPhone in the sun.
He beat me to it.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:50 AM   #36
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Beautiful building, great tax generating business. A go-to retailer that draws consumers from miles. What's to discuss?
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what happens during an Earthquake with all that glass? Will the building be on rollers? Will the glass shatter, fall and strike all the customers dead inside? This is LA after all...
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:58 AM   #38
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Is anyone else tired of news about Apple Stores? Yeah, I know skip the story, you don't have to comment, etc., but it just seems like there have been tons of Apple Store stories clogging up the front page recently. And they are all the same.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 07:58 AM   #39
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Mo money mo problems.. so bring the problems

is what apple is saying.

Love the look of the store
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:00 AM   #40
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Will the workers have to apply sunscreen every hour or every time after going swimming?


But seriously....

People bitching about the glare on the LCDs.... The sun is high in the sky, the variety of displays are at or below eye level... Reflection of the sun will not occur at that angle. The worst thing that can happen is if they don't tint the glass roof, the LCDs may be over powered in brightness.

And yes... I too was curious about rain drainage, but agree that it is probably the architect's creative licensing not showing water drainage systems in this rendering.

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Is anyone else tired of news about Apple Stores? Yeah, I know skip the story, you don't have to comment, etc., but it just seems like there have been tons of Apple Store stories clogging up the front page recently. And they are all the same.
At least it is a change from iPhone/iPad/iPod stories...

I wish we could get some juicy gossip on some MAC related news.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:04 AM   #41
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It's great

But does it come in an anti-glare version?

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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:05 AM   #42
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what happens during an Earthquake with all that glass? Will the building be on rollers? Will the glass shatter, fall and strike all the customers dead inside? This is LA after all...


I imagine this will be posted throughout the store...
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:08 AM   #43
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How many birds are gonna fly into this thing? Not to mention **** all over it.
I agree...looks beautiful in a mockup but the reality of every large-window building I've seen is littered with bird poop and even dead birds. It's going to either be daily cleanings or it's going to look bad in between cleanings.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:16 AM   #44
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I agree...looks beautiful in a mockup but the reality of every large-window building I've seen is littered with bird poop and even dead birds. It's going to either be daily cleanings or it's going to look bad in between cleanings.
The glass roof of the atrium in the Covent Garden store in London is always clean. Apple can afford to clean it everyday. They can also afford to spend millions on a temporary store in Manhattan while the SoHo one is refurbed.

They don't cut corners. It will look spectacular and remain so, I'm sure.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:18 AM   #45
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re former borders location

r.i.p. borders - 3rd street prom.
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she was a good book store
no better honor than to have a curved glass aapl store on your resting place
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:19 AM   #46
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I am not surprised, some of the Apple stores are almost tourist attractions.
Almost???
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:19 AM   #47
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Apple has already stated they know how to produce curved glass, so my guess would be curved glass pieces jutting out from slots in the concrete side walls on an angle such that the glass is higher at the front of the building than the back, with drainage holes along the rear wall.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:23 AM   #48
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Looks Beautiful.

There could be a possibility they use Smart Glass. Turn it off when there's too much sun, bird poop, etc.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:23 AM   #49
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As much as I love Apple products, I wholeheartedly agree with you. What's the purpose of holding a public meeting at all, if the board members aren't going to at least publicly discuss pros and cons of the project?
What would you have them say? If anyone from the public wanted to comment, they could have. If any council member wanted to comment, they could have.

These are not forum posters, they do not fell compelled to invent questions where none exist.
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Old Aug 18, 2011, 08:23 AM   #50
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I think everyone wants an Apple store.
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