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Apple Claims Key Android Framework 'Inspired' by Andy Rubin's Work at Apple

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Oletros said:
Yes, ALL of Android derives from what Rubin saw about the 263 patent at Apple.
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Apple isn't claiming to have invented android or rubin got all his inspiration from this patent. What the are doing is pointing out that HTC lied about Rubin and legally that weakens all of their arguments because if they lied about something as small as that, why wouldn't they lie about big stuff?
 
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Steve's Barber said:
So now Apple invented the Android OS? :eek: I bet Al Gore had something to do with this.
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Al Gore really did you even watch what he actually said? Kids :rolleyes:

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Steve's Barber said:
Exactly.

For god's sake... there are only so many ways a thumb and finger can interact with a 3.5" screen.
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Yes but Android could have made it so a tongue would be the correct way to interact with Android. :p

I have a mental picture of it...
 
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Apple isn't claiming to have invented android or rubin got all his inspiration from this patent. What the are doing is pointing out that HTC lied about Rubin and legally that weakens all of their arguments because if they lied about something as small as that, why wouldn't they lie about big stuff?
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Maybe we should ask Apple the same question, seeing how they managed to fake (whatever) a picture or two (or 27) in the Apple vs. Samsung case. Then, of course, everyone saw this as irrelevant...

Funny these things.
 
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shompa

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*LTD* said:
I find it interesting that Google is being pursued legally in one way or another by a number of parties (MS, Oracle, etc) - in some cases successfully, yet they haven't really pursued anyone else in turn or made any assertions against other entities.
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Googles company culture is to test the boundaries of the law.
Look at youtube: 90% of the content is pirated. Somehow Google gets away with it just claiming "we did not upload the content. If you want your content removed contact goggle"

Google search engine is the world largest warez tracker. Somehow Google gets away with it. If I did the same thing, I would end up in jail, just like Piratebay.

Google App store have loads of illegal apps. The biggest problem is App developers gets their apps copied and uploaded to Google App store and sold by a 3 party. Google does not care. They just want the advertising money from data mining in Android OS.

There are more Android phones then iOS phones. iOS/Google users have about 170 apps installed. Somehow Google App store have under 10% market share. The reason is the all pirated copies. There are even Android app stores on the web with every single app for free/pirated. Google turns a blind eye for this, because piracy is a great selling point. Exactly the same tactic that MSFT did to get a large windows install base.

Google used GNU code and modified it without permission. Especially that they removed the author of the code. Google lost the trial and had to pay 5 million dollar.

Earlier this year Google was fined 500 million for illegal drug ads.

And the list goes on and on and on and on.

Google is a great company. They have the best search engine. Google Apps/Mail are great products. Goolge has done a great thing for the whole industry by publishing how they build their data centers. No other company is as good as Google in this regard.

Goolge just went to far with Android. (And Android is a great product).
Google didn't invent Android. They bought it. They saw iPhone prototypes and cloned it. This is just facts.

Google is not an innovative company. Everything they do, someone else has done before. Name one product service that someone haven't done before.

People should support innovative companies.
And if you are American: support American companies instead of Samsung and other companies. Apple at least pays 22% tax and creates loads of jobs for Americans. Samsung does not.

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divinox said:
Maybe we should ask Apple the same question, seeing how they managed to fake (whatever) a picture or two (or 27) in the Apple vs. Samsung case. Then, of course, everyone saw this as irrelevant...

Funny these things.
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Apple didn't fake the picture.
Samsung prototypes had that shape.

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AppleScruff1 said:
See, Google copied Apple. Again. Steve invented Linux too.
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1) The only reason why Linux exist is because software patents didn't exist in 1960. Linux is a Unix clone.

2) Apple did the right thing and used BSD UNIX, not Linux. There is a licensing difference.
 
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SiMBa37 said:
Any one else tired of Andy Rubin's perpetual smirk in all of his pics? Its like he knows some inside secret that he's not willing to share.
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He doesn't need to share it. I think we can guess what's going on inside his head.
 
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shompa said:
Not this again.

Googles notification system is inspired by Cydia notification system for unlocked iOS devices.


But use facts.
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If Android notifications are inspired on Cydia ones how they were before on Android devices than on Cydia phones?

But use facts
 
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shompa said:
Googles company culture is to test the boundaries of the law.
Look at youtube: 90% of the content is pirated. Somehow Google gets away with it just claiming "we did not upload the content. If you want your content removed contact goggle"

Google search engine is the world largest warez tracker. Somehow Google gets away with it. If I did the same thing, I would end up in jail, just like Piratebay.

Google App store have loads of illegal apps. The biggest problem is App developers gets their apps copied and uploaded to Google App store and sold by a 3 party. Google does not care. They just want the advertising money from data mining in Android OS.

There are more Android phones then iOS phones. iOS/Google users have about 170 apps installed. Somehow Google App store have under 10% market share. The reason is the all pirated copies. There are even Android app stores on the web with every single app for free/pirated. Google turns a blind eye for this, because piracy is a great selling point. Exactly the same tactic that MSFT did to get a large windows install base.

Google used GNU code and modified it without permission. Especially that they removed the author of the code. Google lost the trial and had to pay 5 million dollar.

Earlier this year Google was fined 500 million for illegal drug ads.

And the list goes on and on and on and on.

Google is a great company. They have the best search engine. Google Apps/Mail are great products. Goolge has done a great thing for the whole industry by publishing how they build their data centers. No other company is as good as Google in this regard.

Goolge just went to far with Android. (And Android is a great product).
Google didn't invent Android. They bought it. They saw iPhone prototypes and cloned it. This is just facts.

Google is not an innovative company. Everything they do, someone else has done before. Name one product service that someone haven't done before.

People should support innovative companies.
And if you are American: support American companies instead of Samsung and other companies. Apple at least pays 22% tax and creates loads of jobs for Americans. Samsung does not.

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Apple didn't fake the picture.
Samsung prototypes had that shape.

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1) The only reason why Linux exist is because software patents didn't exist in 1960. Linux is a Unix clone.

2) Apple did the right thing and used BSD UNIX, not Linux. There is a licensing difference.
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Very, very well said.
 
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shompa

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Steve's Barber said:
Exactly.

For god's sake... there are only so many ways a thumb and finger can interact with a 3.5" screen.
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So why didn't Google invent the touch interface?
They could have used a Stylus?

There would not be any problem if Googles Android prototypes had a touch interface. But they didn't. They where RIM clones.
First after iPhone release, Google started to clone the iPhone.

Google could have invented something own. Like WebOS.
Instead Google opted to buy a product that now is the worlds most expensive "free" operating system.

Every single Android device: 5-15 dollar licensing fee to MSFT. Billions to MSFT in pure profit each year.

Google desperately bought Motorola for over 12 billion just to try to find some patents to swap with Apple.
 
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shompa said:
So why didn't Google invent the touch interface?
They could have used a Stylus?
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The same way Apple didn't invented the touch interface

shompa said:
There would not be any problem if Googles Android prototypes had a touch interface. But they didn't. They where RIM clones.
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False, there were also prototypes of all touch phones.


shompa said:
Every single Android device: 5-15 dollar licensing fee to MSFT. Billions to MSFT in pure profit each year.
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False, only HTC and a pair of other vendors pays Microsoft

shompa said:
Google desperately bought Motorola for over 12 billion just to try to find some patents to swap with Apple.
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False, does Apple has sued Google?

Get the facts?
 
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shompa

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Oletros said:
If Android notifications are inspired on Cydia ones how they were before on Android devices than on Cydia phones?

But use facts
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How old is Android messaging center?

I can find Cydia apps since 2009. Before Google phone was launched.

Just give me proof and I will stand corrected and change opinion.
 
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shompa said:
Apple didn't fake the picture.
Samsung prototypes had that shape.
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False, that weren't Samsung prototypes.

And the other list, includin the false GNU infinging case is so long and absurd that I can't put down one by one.

Please, can you inform a little before writing such things? No one is right
 
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shompa said:
How old is Android messaging center?

I can find Cydia apps since 2009. Before Google phone was launched.

Just give me proof and I will stand corrected and change opinion.
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Apple hired developers of WebOS's notification center and a notification center available on Cydia, and yet people still want to go with the story that Apple copied Android. :confused: I guess that makes for the best FUD.
 
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shompa

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Oletros said:
The same way Apple didn't invented the touch interface



False, there were also prototypes of all touch phones.




False, only HTC and a pair of other vendors pays Microsoft



False, does Apple has sued Google?

Get the facts?
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1) Somehow Apple have loads of touch interface patents. Touch/Multitouch, swipe and so on.
2) Where? All Google prototypes before iPhone I have seen is RIM copies. To be fair: Apple started its tablet project early 2002 that lead to the iPhone. This is years before Google even bought Android. Don't also forget the Newton. Even if Google had a touch interface prototype weeks before the iPhone launch, it is still years after Apple.
3) So far 6 Android vendors pays MSFT, and more will follow. Do you think these companies just want to hand over money to MSFT? They KNOW that Android violates patent and pays for protection. There is nothing that indicates that not every single Android device will be forced to pay licensing fees.
4)Apple has not sued Google since they don't manufacture phones. This is why it is great that Google bought Motorola mobile. Now Apple can sue Google. If Google believed in Android they should of course have supported HTC and other companies in their patent struggles. Google didn't. Instead Google went out Patent Hunting to try to find a patent that they can swap with Apple. Only reason why they do this is because they KNOW that they are violating the law. Why would they otherwise have spent over 12 billions on patents?

Google should of course used the 12 billion and invented their own system.

MSFT managed to create probably the best phone OS in 7.5.
WebOS had parts that was far better then iOS.
Why could not Google do the same? They bought Android. Sat in Apples board and saw iPhone prototypes and started to copy it. That is backstabbing.
 
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Kane08 said:
Apple isn't claiming to have invented android or rubin got all his inspiration from this patent. What the are doing is pointing out that HTC lied about Rubin and legally that weakens all of their arguments because if they lied about something as small as that, why wouldn't they lie about big stuff?
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Exactly. There is nothing more to Apple's statements than that.
 
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shompa said:
1) Somehow Apple have loads of touch interface patents. Touch/Multitouch, swipe and so on.
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Ah, is bad that Google had bought Android but is right that Apple bought Fingertouch and all of their touch patents

And no, Apple doesn't have a patent on multitouch

shompa said:
2) Where? All Google prototypes before iPhone I have seen is RIM copies. To be fair: Apple started its tablet project early 2002 that lead to the iPhone. This is years before Google even bought Android. Don't also forget the Newton. Even if Google had a touch interface prototype weeks before the iPhone launch, it is still years after Apple.
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Search, but search better than G1 launch date.

shompa said:
3) So far 6 Android vendors pays MSFT, and more will follow. Do you think these companies just want to hand over money to MSFT? They KNOW that Android violates patent and pays for protection. There is nothing that indicates that not every single Android device will be forced to pay licensing fees.
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So, is false that every single Android phone is paying Microsoft as you said, isn't

shompa said:
4)Apple has not sued Google since they don't manufacture phones. This is why it is great that Google bought Motorola mobile. Now Apple can sue Google. If Google believed in Android they should of course have supported HTC and other companies in their patent struggles. Google didn't. Instead Google went out Patent Hunting to try to find a patent that they can swap with Apple. Only reason why they do this is because they KNOW that they are violating the law. Why would they otherwise have spent over 12 billions on patents?
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So Apple is violating the law because they have bought Nortel patents?

And why has to swap with Apple?

So, they didn't supported HTC et al. and bought Motorola which has patents that can be used againts the ones atacking OTHER Android vendors. Yapo, good reasoning.
 
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