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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:17 AM   #26
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New Bribery Allegation Roils Samsung

SEOUL, South Korea, Nov. 19 — Samsung, which has vigorously denied bribery charges in a snowballing corruption scandal, sustained another blow to its image on Monday when a former legal adviser to President Roh Moo-hyun said the company had once offered him a cash bribe.

The former aide, Lee Yong-chul, who also served as a presidential monitor against corruption, said that the money — 5 million won ($5,445) — was delivered to him in January 2004 as a holiday gift from a Samsung Electronics executive, but that he immediately returned it.

Before sending it back, Mr. Lee said, he took pictures of the cash package, which were released to the news media on Monday.

“I was outraged by Samsung’s brazenness, by its attempt to bribe a presidential aide in charge of fighting corruption,” Mr. Lee said in a written statement released at a news conference by a civic organization. He did not attend the event.

James Chung, a spokesman for Samsung Electronics, said, “We are trying to find out the facts around these allegations.”

Samsung Electronics is the mainstay of the 59-subsidiary Samsung conglomerate and a world leader in computer chips, flat-panel television screens and cellphones.

Mr. Lee’s accusation appeared to support recent assertions by a former chief lawyer at Samsung, Kim Yong-chul, that the conglomerate had run a vast network that bribed officials, prosecutors, tax collectors, journalists and scholars on behalf of Samsung’s chairman, Lee Kun-hee.

Prosecutors are investigating Mr. Kim’s accusations, and political parties have introduced legislation that would establish an independent counsel.

Opposition political parties say an independent prosecutor is needed because Mr. Kim identified the president’s new chief prosecutor, Lim Chai-jin, as one of many prosecutors to have received bribes from Samsung. Mr. Lim denied the assertion.

President Roh’s office dismissed the call for an independent counsel as an election-year political maneuver. The South Korean presidential election is scheduled on Dec. 19.

As the scandal expanded, the chairman, Lee Kun-hee, was absent Monday from a ceremony commemorating the 20th anniversary of the death of his father, Lee Byung-chul, Samsung’s founder. Company officials cited a “serious cold and illness from fatigue.”

Lee Yong-chul, the former presidential aide, now a partner at a law firm in Seoul, issued his statement and pictures through the National Movement to Unveil Illegal Activities by Samsung and Its Chairman, an organization that was started by civic groups after Mr. Kim’s allegations were made public.

Calls to Mr. Lee’s office were not returned on Monday.

“This is proof that Samsung’s bribery has reached not only prosecutors but the very core of political power, the Blue House,” the group said at the news conference, referring to the South Korean presidential office. President Roh’s office called that assertion “pure speculation.”

Mr. Lee said the bribe he received in 2004 was delivered after an executive at Samsung Electronics asked him whether his company could send him a holiday gift. Mr. Lee said he accepted, thinking that it would be a simple gift.

He said that when he returned the money with a protest, the Samsung executive apologized. The executive said he had simply allowed his company to send the gift in his name and had not known it contained cash, Mr. Lee related.

The executive could not be reached for comment. Samsung said the man left the company in June 2004 and now lived in the United States.

Lee Yong-chul said he decided to go public after reading about the lawyer Kim Yong-chul’s whistle-blowing. He said he believed Mr. Kim’s assertion that Samsung had run a systematic bribery effort.

Samsung has denied Mr. Kim’s allegations as “groundless.” A couple of Samsung executives Mr. Kim accused of delivering bribes have sued him.

In his statement, Lee Yong-chul said the cash was delivered to him while prosecutors were investigating assertions that Samsung and other conglomerates had provided large amounts of illegal campaign funds to presidential candidates during the 2002 election, which Mr. Roh won.

Several campaign officials for Mr. Roh and his opponent, Lee Hoi-chang, as well as Samsung executives, were convicted of playing major roles in raising slush funds in that campaign.


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Bribery, Massive Corruption at Samsung, Says Exposé by Former S. Korean Prosecutor

. . . In addition, a lawmaker said she had once been offered a golf bag full of cash from Samsung, and a former presidential aide said he had received and returned a cash gift from the company.

Lee Kun-hee, the chairman of Samsung, was convicted of hiding more than $42 million from tax collection, and received nothing more than a suspended sentence. The media decided not to mention the whistle-blowing book at all, despite it achieving remarkable sales for a non-fiction book in that country. (Not a single newspaper published a review, and the only discussion of the book mentioned its sales--but not its title or author. Yeah, you read that right. They left out the title.) Even worse, the media refused to print any op-eds or articles explaining, let alone backing, Kim Yong-chul's side, out of fear that Samsung would pull advertisements from their TV shows and newspapers.

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http://news.techeye.net/business/sou...ung-corruption

South Korea makes example of Samsung corruption

Samsung has been publicly forced to get its act together to stamp out corruption, with the South Korean government choosing to make an example of it.

According to a top industry consultant familiar with the company, Samsung's legal "philanderings" are no secret. While other companies are also at it, the South Korean government is keeping them safe as it looks to drive revenue and reputation to the country.

The comments come as news of shadiness inside Samsung spreads, after an inspection found that elements of the company were involved in corruption.

The findings led to CEO Oh Chang-Suk stepping down and Lee Kun-Hee, chairman of the company, claiming there would be some managerial changes.

However, he would not specify what the investigation had uncovered - only saying that it included taking bribes and enjoying hospitality from suppliers. He said the "worst type" of abuse was pressure on junior staff to commit corrupt acts.

"Corruption and fraud" at Samsung Techwin came about accidentally, and was a result of a "complacent attitude during the past decade", he told reporters

This isn't the first time Samsung has been alleged to have its hands in the till. In 2007 the company's former executives accused it of bribing police and politicians to stop probes into its management, while in 2009 the chairman, along with nine other senior executives, were indicted on tax dodging charges.

According to our analyst, speaking under condition of anonymity, these are well known facts.

"Let's be honest, Samsung's philanderings are not a secret, the company has been at it for years," he said.

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This is the sort of (criminal) organization Apple is dealing with.

Put nothing past them.
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:18 AM   #27
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Let the cooler, better, richer company win.

Give up.

Fifth grade logic FTW.
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:18 AM   #28
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.. BASIC?

no way! it takes a lot to "innovate" round edged rectangles you know.
I think you should leave the actual "legal decisions" to the judges. You (and everyone here including myself) are out of your(our) depth.

What you(we) think doesn't mean anything anyway. ƪ(‾ε‾“)ʃ
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:19 AM   #29
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Funny tho. Samsung is suing for an actual patent, Apple sued for a community design. It seems like you shouldnt throw stones in glass house unless your house is full of inside tech. Witch it isnt.[/QUOTE]

lol apple got served big time!!!!!!
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:19 AM   #30
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Samsung you can stop digging your grave now it is deep enough.
I would say how funny the reaction is when samsung starts to counter sue. When apple sues everyone here thinks its hilarious, but when the counter sue happens everyones up in arms.
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:19 AM   #31
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Funny tho. Samsung is suing for an actual patent, Apple sued for a community design. It seems like you shouldnt throw stones in glass house unless your house is full of inside tech. Witch it isnt.[/QUOTE]

lol
if apple loose - they got served: big time!!!!!!
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:20 AM   #32
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Put nothing past them.
And this has to do with patent infringement exactly how?
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ugghh.

They need to do a Mass patent dispute to look over all the patents involved rather than a few here and there and there and there.

absurd
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:23 AM   #34
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Here we go!!
Turning into a sport :P Quite interesting round this one is
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:23 AM   #35
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I think that very few, if anyone here, have enough insight in the details to determine if the use fall under fair, reasonable, and non-discriminatory.
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:23 AM   #36
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ugghh.

They need to do a Mass patent dispute to look over all the patents involved rather than a few here and there and there and there.

absurd
Better, put the CEO's of all the companies involved on lawsuit in a ring and let them fight
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:24 AM   #37
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no way! it takes a lot to "innovate" round edged rectangles you know.
Take a look at the pre iPad tablets... It must be harder than you think.
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:24 AM   #38
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I would prefer both companies got back to making good products, instead of this generally pointless sabre rattling.
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Yes, because this is all about the shape of their hardware - not the blatant knockoff in the software.
FYI, The Dutch court dismissed all the "design" disputes in the galaxy tablet case. the only and very specific complaint that was valid had to do with photo navigation. samsung was found guilty of violating that specific patent.

the german court works differently and upheld its initial ruling for the design.

ios is nothing but a simple grid of icons and more icons. they were available in my early 2000-ish windows mobile smart phones, Plam and other gadgets. Android also has grids of icons but it is way different than ios.

if you think grid of icons is a blatant copy in software, then I will refrain from arguing further because it will be a waste of time.
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Since Apple is claiming FRAND they are obviously infringing, but to what extent is for the court to decide.

Funny tho. Samsung is suing for an actual patent, Apple sued for a community design. It seems like you shouldnt throw stones in glass house unless your house is full of inside tech. Witch it isnt.
Apple might be infringing some patents since they are set as a standard which everybody must follow. There was only one way they could choose. This is the reason why FRAND rule exists.

Samsung has been infringing some patents because they just thought it looked nice and they didn't want to spend time to develop their own design. There were so many ways they could choose.
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And this has to do with patent infringement exactly how?
This has to do with the ongoing litigation re Samsung's ripping off Apple's designs (because that's business as usual at Samsung), then Apple's response to it (which has humiliated Samsung), and now this latest response from Samsung (where they suddenly *remembered* having these "other" wireless patents) because they are apparently done being "passive."

This is the way criminal organizations like Samsung operate. They get caught ripping off competitors, then once they're losing, they pull out straw-man patents - red-herrings - in an attempt to fight back.

Samsung is a tech-mafia.
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lol apple got served big time!!!!!!
Imagine the computer / design industry if Apple didn't exist. Hell we would probably still be using brick phones
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Apple should be offered/and pay FRAND for the patents that fall under FRAND.

Other patents (non-FRAND) should be negotiated or settled in court as usual.
The community design lawsuit should be settled in court.

What shouldn't be done, is mixing FRAND and non-FRAND as equal trade or negotiated as if they are the same, they should be handled separately.


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This has to do with the ongoing litigation re Samsung's ripping off Apple's designs (because that's business as usual at Samsung), then Apple's response to it (which has humiliated Samsung), and now this latest response from Samsung (where they suddenly *remembered* having these "other" wireless patents) because they are apparently done being "passive."

This is the way criminal organizations like Samsung operate. They get caught ripping off competitors, then once they're losing, they pull out straw-man patents - red-herrings - in an attempt to fight back.

Samsung is a tech-mafia.
Ah, so as I though, it has to do only in your Apple reality world
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Old Sep 23, 2011, 09:28 AM   #45
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Say what you want about the iPad's round corners, flat form factor, etc. not being a proprietary design. Well you know what? Even if it isn't, it's Apple that popularized the design and turned it into a viable new product segment. Then comes Samsung who basically takes the fruits of Apple's labor and tries to make it its own? I don't think so.

Furthermore, the fact that Samsung is saying it will immediately sue Apple over a product that it has no knowledge about tells me one thing - they are suing over such a basic patent that it would apply to any cellular phone, iPhone or otherwise. In this regard, Samsung has no case if it is also not pursuing protecting that patent with other infringing companies. If you don't actively protect your patents and trademarks, you lose them. I believe Apple can effectively argue in court that Samsung has made no effort to protect the patent in question with anyone else, and therefore the patent is invalid.

Also, what kind of idiots are they over there at Samsung? You don't huff and puff and threaten and openly talk about what you're going to do... you quietly do it. It is quite obvious that Samsung's threat has no teeth, which is why it had to huff and puff in public in order to try to sway public opinion - it has no chance in court.
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ugghh.

They need to do a Mass patent dispute to look over all the patents involved rather than a few here and there and there and there.

absurd
Um that would probably be hundreds of thousands of patents. Samsung would be suing to stop the sell of the iPhone 5...hundred and 62.
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FYI, The Dutch court dismissed all the "design" disputes in the galaxy tablet case. the only and very specific complaint that was valid had to do with photo navigation. samsung was found guilty of violating that specific patent.

the german court works differently and upheld its initial ruling for the design.

ios is nothing but a simple grid of icons and more icons. they were available in my early 2000-ish windows mobile smart phones, Plam and other gadgets. Android also has grids of icons but it is way different than ios.

if you think grid of icons is a blatant copy in software, then I will refrain from arguing further because it will be a waste of time.
The big case here is not patent related in any way. Your very basic, very misleading story about icons and iOS is already a waste of time.
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Ah, so as I though, it has to do only in your Apple reality world
The reality is that Samsung keeps getting injunctions placed against them and keeps having to hand over their goods to Apple. That is not normal. Something stinks at Samsung.

I don't see any injunctions against Apple products. I don't see any successful attempts by anyone.

THAT is reality.
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Is Samsung's strategy to have Apple move all their parts needs to other companies? They are suing the hand that feeds them billions.

How smart is that? If they can't win these lawsuits and lose the manufacturing, they are screwed.
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You're looking at it the wrong way...

It's not the rounded corners on the rectangle, it's the general look and feel of iOS that samsung is really copying. Look at the home screens on the galaxy phone. Put it beside an image of the iPhone 3G... and look. The icons are shaped the same, and even laid out the same way.

Samsung is trying to steal Apple's user interface and general look & Feel.
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