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I sympathize with the seller's position, and the detractors. Why? I understand that the seller is likely to be genuine in the claims being made, and as far as I'm concerned, when these posters were first printed nobody would have realized their potential value in the following years. That said, the detractors come from a position of not personally knowing the seller, nor are they able to pass judgment on the integrity of a person online on a forum, who lives far away in another country, especially given the amount of people who will pose as somebody they are not, for the purpose of committing fraudulent acts. Let's face it, the internet with all it's promise in it's infancy over 15 years ago, has become a breeding ground for those wishing to defraud others for financial gain and even "just for fun". It's a shame that such a wonderful resource is fast becoming a tool for such miscreants. ![]() However, in this instance, the seller was quite willing for a buyer in the local area to inspect the items and make up their own mind. With respect to the items, I've had a few posters block mounted and laminated, and yes, it's not a cheap process but it does a reasonable job of protecting the poster, but in my experience, posters are often trimmed slightly in the process which may explain the odd size. ![]() If I had the money, I may have considered buying these myself, since I cherish what the TD poster represents and appreciate the method of mounting and laminating. Sure, I also appreciate the value in Apple posters, and have multiples of some Apple posters in storage in tubes such as the original iMac posters, but will eventually keep one not for it's value, but for what it represents to me (If I can be bothered ever selling the multiples). If a potential buyer were to consider buying these for their dollar value, they need to make up their own mind, but at least be informed of the potential fakes out there, but any seller needs to realize that these particular posters are now highly sort after, rare and highly valued and, sadly, will attract this kind of questioning of their legitimacy. Can this thread please return to normal? ![]() Cheers.
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I have posted to this thread before...I am an avid "Think different" collector, I mainly collect the 24x36" size, and I am only lacking a few of them in the series...
But I must say -- they are more and more counterfeits appearing on eBay these days, and they are getting harder to decipher. Sellers with high feedback ratings are posting ads saying "Stored in tube since acquired, former Apple employee, unrolled only once to photograph, in mint condition, etc" Some will even go to the extent to post photos of StartingLine official mailing tubes that the Think different sets were mailed in (in 1997-1998). You really have to be careful, it is difficult to find genuine good posters these days. I know for a fact that all of the posters offered from Germany (for the most part) from eBay sellers such as vitor-belfort, are reprints, and not originals. They are "good" reprints, the Buzz Aldrin posters he offers are very crisp, high quality posters, but not the original zoom-distance Buzz Photo that is featured on the -Authentic- poster from Apple, which shows a larger, closer-zoomed Buzz. The Albert Einstein posters from this seller are lower-quality, you cannot see the knit sweater stitches, which are all visible on authentic Albert Einstein 24x36 posters (and these are EXTREMELY hard to find).... There is one seller who seems to be offering some authentic rarities such as a Dalai Lama for $599 (on mounting board), a Charlie Chaplin (sold) a Flick (Bug's Life) - for $1499, and a Francis Ford Copolla for $999...he has posted a long story on the listings of how he supposedly acquired all of these posters, and says they are 100% authentic -- his prices on them are astronomical and out of the range I would pay, considering that such paper-good posters can be easily reproduced, and these could easily be undeniably-authentic knock-offs that would never be proved otherwise, so no way am I shelling out that cash for those posters. I would be interested in a Dalai Lama, but the one he is offering is permanently affixed to styrofoam board (glued)...which detracts from the collectible value, in my opinion. The highest valued easily-obtainable posters at the current moment are probably the Richard Feynman, the Ansel Adams, the Jackie Robinson, and the Frank Sinatra... Amelia Earhart, Thomas Edison, Pablo Picasso, Alfred Hitchcock, Ghandi....are probably the easiest and cheapest ones to find... Joan Baez, Jim Henson & Kermit, Miles Davis, Maria Callas, Lucy & Desi, Martha Graham, and Ted Turner are also easy-to-find but I see them in lower numbers than the previous ones above. The "Director's Series" (featured in large banners at Macworld SF 2000) was the last series to-be-released, and was never released. "Supposedly" a few were printed and given to Apple employees and featured within the Apple campus, and these posters, the eBay seller claims he acquired in California and that they are originals, rare, and worth the money he is offering them for. So far, those posters have been up over 6 months and he has only sold one or two of them. Lately, I have seen a number of the Flick posters being offered (24x36") at much lower $75-100 prices, so I grabbed two of these, with the thought they "could be" originals and "may be" rare and worth something. Who knows, they may be reprints, I've never seen the original. So, as for re-prints, you need to look closely at the printing....does the printing look "too dark" -- is the image "blurry" -- or does it seem pixellated, as if printed from a low-res JPEG image?? I once bought a Richard Feynman poster from eBay, and found it to be a fake re-print, because I knew what the original looked like....the one I had was grainy and pixellated on close inspection, and they guy had sold it to me for over $275 -- yeah, so you must be very, very careful in buying these expensive collectors Think different posters. If you see somebody offer a listing of them, including 4 or 5 posters which make up one of the "official" sets, and the photos are actual pictures of the laid-out posters, taken by a reputable eBay member who says they have owned these posters, or bought the set years ago -- there is a good chance that this is the REAL DEAL and they are real posters. If you see somebody offer a load of posters, mixed of different sets (usually from the German eBay sellers), who will start these auctions off cheap -- pretty much all of these German posters are re-prints, and not originals, maybe worth the $12 - $20 that you are willing to spend, but not worth anything more than $30. Original 24x36" posters are a bargain at $50 or less, still reasonable at $75...the common ones I have seen go upward of the $100 - $135 range. The rare ones, such as the Richard Feynman - a very "sought-after" poster, I have seen go for over $200. In my opinion, the two rarest of the 24x36" -released- posters are the original Albert Einstein, and the original Buzz Aldrin, which are incredibly hard to find now. Again, the ones offered by the German sellers are re-prints, I have only seen originals on eBay 2-3 times in the last 12 years. An original Albert Einstein 24x36" was offered by RedLightRunner a few year ago for $600, and it did sell. It is no longer offered. There was also one on Amazon's website, but it is no longer available. I have seen a pair of them on eBay a couple years ago, they were originals but had crease damage. The Einstein posters offered by the German sellers are re-prints, as I have said above. I hope this short bit of my experiences in Think different poster collecting has helped you understand and be prepared in your buying and collecting adventures...just be smart, educate yourself, and know the market. If you have a gut feeling that something is a knock-off poster or re-print, it probably is. Do not hesitate to message the sellers with as many questions to possibly verify authenticity, it is your good money, after all, and the way I see it, this is both a fun hobby and a smart investment for the future. Good luck, happy collecting, and don't forget to "Think different"
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A comment from someone who deals in posters and prints as a professional, with hands on experience, rather than an opinion based on a collection of electronic gossip, might be more useful. For those of you who are curious about my personal integrity, then a persual of my posts on the MacTalk forums may yield some insight to my character. I don't have time nor the possessions to unload to become a reputable eBay seller whatever that is. |
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That said, in my experience collecting lots of this and that, whenever a group of collectors is presented with something they or "the market" has never seen before, it is absolutely fair to ask for proof. And sellers should be able to provide proof without complaining. I own several Ski Utah posters collectors have never seen. My mother worked on the Ski Utah ad campaign and she brought posters home that very few (if any) collectors have ever seen. The reason is, they were printed but never released. They sat in the basement of the ad agency she worked for. A few were proofs that were never approved. If I sold them, I could likely prove they were real posters and not fakes, but it would be difficult. I once saw some posters of a cat offered for sale on a local artist's forum, and I told the seller the images were wrong and she was selling posters that violated the copyright laws. The posters were copied from the original posters the artist released in 1965 or thereabouts, but the image was reversed. The signature was then reversed and overprinted so it could be read. The claim the seller made is she owned the painting and her prints were made from the original painting. I was called a liar, other members chimed in, and she took great offence. I knew the posters were not original posters because I knew the artist, I had a dozen of her posters, and I my mother bought the original cat painting that the artist touched up after the sale, so Mom took it home before it was dry completely. Everyone here knows about fake products and if you are a careless collector, you might jump on something that is sold as rare or perhaps extremely rare. You might get ripped off and laughed at by other collectors, or you might actually have something rare and never seen before; overlooked by collectors because they think it is a fake. I own many Eastman Kodak promotional items as well as Polaroid products the "experts" have never seen before. Therefore, I must be lying. Whenever I discuss my collection(s) on forums, I expect to be doubted by a few. The more the value and claims of scarcity, the more questions will be raised and should be raised. I usually demand proof but I almost never claim fraud. The net brings to light many things other collectors have never seen; for some, this means they never existed and claims of (potential) fraud is usually the result. |
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I hope this isn't considered "thread jacking", but I have a set of the original educational posters...
Would it be bad if I laminated them?
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I have the original To The Crazy Ones Poster and have been looking online to see what its value may be - not that I want to sell it. It is one of my prized possessions and I have it framed and hanging on my wall. With Steve's passing it means all the more to me. I do have both Picasso 24 x 36 posters as well as Gandhi and Ted Turner. In 1999 I went through a period of time of collecting all I could find, especially items with the original rainbow logo. Caused a lot of stress in my marriage but we survived.
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You've done some excellent research here and I hope you might be able to help me out. I have 6 complete sets of 24" x 36" Think Different posters that I bought in 1998. Unfortunately I can't remember which posters are in the sets, and I don't want to break open the tubes to look (the tubes have never been unsealed). But I do have the Apple descriptions and part numbers that are listed on the invoice. The descriptions are as follows: Think Different Posters (Set of 5) Stock Code L02761A Think Different Poster Collector Set #2 Stock Code L02942A I also have a poster that you didn't mention in your article. It is a 24 x 36 "I Think Therefore iMac" poster that was handed out at one of Steve's keynote speeches. I don't remember what year it was, but it must have been the year of the original iMac launch. The poster was in an unsealed tube but I had to open the tube to see what was in it. I completely forgot that I had this one. I originally had two of these but one got destroyed in a move. So, do you know which posters are in these sets, and do you have any idea how rare the iMac poster is? Thanks, Mark |
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Hey wanted to ask if anyone had any input on how to obtain the value of a Think different poster. It is one that I have not seen anywhere and I am curious. Apple did a marketing campaign to colleges back in the 90's when the TD campaign was going called "Apple in the Real World". On the back of the "folded" brochures was a large print of Frank Sinatra. I took these out of the box and put they straight into a poster tube with several other TD posters so the "folded" marks are minimal. I also have Miles, Ghandi, Erheart, Desi and Luci, Hitchcock, Martha, Ted, Joan and Frank all in a tube and have survived several moves over the years after college. I have debated on putting them up on ebay but frankly I have never sold anything on ebay and I have no idea what they are worth. It measures 24x48 as you can see from the picture. Any advice would be appreciated.
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Finding out the Truth. Impossible or Improbable ? 1 Apple has not and never will comment.2 Anyone who was an Apple employee at that time is either promoted to where they cannot comment or have moved on. Remember for the employees, it is a job, nothing else.3 It was a busy time and Apple apparently devolved production to all their client countries, with no consistant guidelines about the size, or placement of wording or logo.
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Is there a site that has poster characteristics? Such as the Sinatra poster above has "www.apple.com" in the lower right, and there's one on eBay that doesn't.
Also, is there a list of sites that are known for selling legit posters? A site (don't want to say in case it's frowned upon) has a Coppola poster, but I don't know if it's real. Knowing if people had experience with the site would be a help. |
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Pretty clear that you have five sets of 'Set 1' which is Edison, Earhart, Hitchcock, Picasso, and Gandhi plus one 'Set 2' which is Callas, Turner, Graham, and Baez. You should open the set 2 and check to make sure there isn't a fifth poster in there(Dalai lama) as some sets snuck out with one. Don't think sealed vs unsealed makes any difference as the sets were not sealed after production. Only for sets that were shipped out in small quantities was there any tape applied. The iMac poster I don't consider to be a 'Think Different' poster and view it as just a product poster. All major products released during that timeframe generally had the 'Think Different' slogan at the bottom and had posters made. I've got a bunch of such product posters included that particular iMac one. They generally aren't worth much of anything as they are not as collectible as the portrait posters. They also made a set of stickers too with other iMac slogans that matched the poster that I liked. |
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Apple has not and never will comment.
It was a busy time and Apple apparently devolved production to all their client countries, with no consistant guidelines about the size, or placement of wording or logo.
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