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Old Oct 14, 2011, 10:34 AM   #26
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I thought Apple doesn't release things until it "just works"??
Beta.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 10:35 AM   #27
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Again folks : Siri = Voice control on steroids. Not the 2nd coming. Don't let it get you down.
That's hardly the point here though, but that integration with maps and yelp does not extend outside the us.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 10:46 AM   #28
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People don't mind "beta" - but usually like to know the limitations from the get-go.

I have mine on pre-order but based on this, might just take my name off of the list until it's ready for Canada.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 11:00 AM   #29
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Kind of lame to see 4S not supporting from the beginning considering they had enough time...
That's a really stupid comment. "they had enough time"? I guess they didn't have enough time because it sounds like it's going to take until 2012. How much time is enough time? Maybe you should apply for a job at Apple and help them implement everything within your time frame.

Not to mention, you don't know why it's not available until 2012. Maybe it's fully functional and needs to get internationally licensed to operate in other countries.

Just saying...
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 11:59 AM   #30
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WHAT THE HELL?

Couldn't they have emphasised that in the keynote itself? I mean one of the prime tasks Siri handles is location specific search and maps. What's the point of this?

Geez.

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Good thing I didn't buy mine for Siri. I guess all the people who keep downranking me because I don't find Siri the 2nd coming need to chill a bit.

It's a beta version of software that is better voice control. If you bought the phone simply for that, I don't know what to say. I'm in it for the A5 processor and better camera myself.
It's definitely one of the biggest revolutions in the history of Apple. Some people definitely have the foresight to realise that. I agree it is beta, but the field specific control is unbelievable and is one of the most important user interfaces Apple has successfully implement including the mouse and the multi-touch technology.

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If you bought the phone simply for that, I don't know what to say. I'm in it for the A5 processor and better camera myself.
And all people are alike? Duh!
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:03 PM   #31
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Siri not working anywhere but the states properly, even google admitted to that one!!!

= FAIL!!!

Go on Tim, give them all extra time off

PS I'm one of the most outspoken fanboys and I'm sitting here with my head in my hands

PPS Did I mention that iOS5 has put/taken a whopping 5.5GB on the illusive 'other' form/onto the capacity of hundreds if not thousands of devices... including mine https://discussions.apple.com/message/16335691#16335691 heres the link

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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:05 PM   #32
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If they can have it in beta in the states and work local search then why can't they in the UK?
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:06 PM   #33
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By several you mean 3 right ? French, German, English. As long as you don't have a strong accent.

Again folks : Siri = Voice control on steroids. Not the 2nd coming. Don't let it get you down.
Please read up more on Artificial Intelligence including Natural Language Processing, Machine Learning and Computer Vision. Maybe you'll understand more.

Professors from MIT/Stanford/Berkeley/CMU/Cornell have been unrelentingly congratulating Apple for so much progress in AI and all you could come up with was voice control.

Hmm.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:14 PM   #34
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BETA....That's the long and short of it. Im in the US so I have it available...But really not a make or break deal for me either way. The good news for all of us is that Siri is going to get better and better with some time....For ALL of us.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:15 PM   #35
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That's a really stupid comment. "they had enough time"? I guess they didn't have enough time because it sounds like it's going to take until 2012. How much time is enough time? Maybe you should apply for a job at Apple and help them implement everything within your time frame.

Not to mention, you don't know why it's not available until 2012. Maybe it's fully functional and needs to get internationally licensed to operate in other countries.

Just saying...
This has been a catastrophe from the start for a lot of Apples users... From freezing/bricking devices, to eating up capacity https://discussions.apple.com/message/16335691#16335691 , through to making iPad 1's run as though they're working through treacle, and don't get me started on the iCloud scenario that makes Mobile Me look like a well oiled machine..

A big sell of the iPhone 4S was Siri, in almost every form of PR event, the launch, advertising and not ONCE was this mentioned. Neither is it on a 4S packaging. Apple want to hide bihind the Beta badge, disgusting.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:23 PM   #36
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beta is beta, I am not sure if there is a legal definition of beta in the tech world, but from my understanding it's "use at your own risk, it doesn't work perfect yet but we need you to test it for us".

So as for hiding behind beta, they said it's still in beta during the unveiling. Give it some time. I am sure they will work out the bugs as soon as they can. If you can do a better job I invite you to apply for a job at Apple.

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This has been a catastrophe from the start for a lot of Apples users... From freezing/bricking devices, to eating up capacity https://discussions.apple.com/message/16335691#16335691 , through to making iPad 1's run as though they're working through treacle, and don't get me started on the iCloud scenario that makes Mobile Me look like a well oiled machine..

A big sell of the iPhone 4S was Siri, in almost every form of PR event, the launch, advertising and not ONCE was this mentioned. Neither is it on a 4S packaging. Apple want to hide bihind the Beta badge, disgusting.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:27 PM   #37
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BETA....That's the long and short of it. Im in the US so I have it available...
But if you were in the UK and was looking forward to using Siri, I'm sure you would be as disappointed as the many here are.

Surely Siri utilizes search engine and google maps to find locations and such, therefore it's hard to see why something that works in the USA wouldn't work outside on devices which have internet access and maps installed.

BETA excuses dodgy responses from Siri, it hardly justifies the complete disregard for France, Germany and UK who all are sharing the same launch day as the USA. If Europe is seen as enough of a priority to justify a simultaneous launch, surely the one true 'killer' feature of the iPhone 4S should have deserved the same. Heck they've had enough time.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:34 PM   #38
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Just a follow up...SIRI is active for people in the UK. It just doesn't work for local searches? Keep crying about it, if you bought it for this feature you should have taken note that it's in beta. If you are really pissed off, go return your phone. Apple will gladly take it off your hands for you.

I don't mean to be an a$$hole or anything but I hope not everyone in the UK are a bunch of whining cry babies.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:55 PM   #39
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I don't mean to be an a$$hole or anything but I hope not everyone in the UK are a bunch of whining cry babies.
But your giving it your best shot ?


It would be interesting to see the responses if Siri had launched with European localization support and not USA what the reactions would have been.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 12:56 PM   #40
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Anyone who didn't realise it was Beta can thank the media for that - as usual they've done a great job of not getting all the facts in order before writing reviews describing it as the new killer feature of 4S.

As it happens though, even in it's current state it's been more entertaining than Angry Birds, and it's very impressive considering the basic voice recognition can't make head nor tails out of my thick, gutteral northern england accent.

I for one eagerly await 2012 for the ability to be guided home while blind drunk, possibly by fine escorts recommended by my very own e-shadow.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 01:06 PM   #41
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Anyone who didn't realise it was Beta can thank the media for that - as usual they've done a great job of not getting all the facts in order before writing reviews describing it as the new killer feature of 4S.

As it happens though, even in it's current state it's been more entertaining than Angry Birds, and it's very impressive considering the basic voice recognition can't make head nor tails out of my thick, gutteral northern england accent.

I for one eagerly await 2012 for the ability to be guided home while blind drunk, possibly by fine escorts recommended by my very own e-shadow.
The iOS is hands down the best mobile OS out there so far. As long as Apple keeps adding new feature (or futures as some people pronounce them) and bumping up spec people are going to buy them. No matter what you're going to get a few people crying about some things Apple should have done. (not caring that Apple still wants to make a profit on each phone, which I believe they are entitled as any company that provides goods or services that people are willing to buy).

As for not knowing it was in beta, it doesn't matter people would have lined up if Apple didn't unveil it prior to launch. Most of us trust Apple because they don't usually let us down, and they work hard to keep their customers happy. Oh and anyone could have gone to www.apple.com and watched the keynotes.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 01:53 PM   #42
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I think it works in Canada. This guy in Toronto can do maps and yelp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qg4Dd23gezM
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 02:02 PM   #43
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"SIRI" is just for IPHONE 4S?
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"SIRI" is just for IPHONE 4S?
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 06:19 PM   #45
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Two people voted my comment down. They must be the two people in Japan who are satisfied with Softbank's service.
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Two people voted my comment down. They must be the two people in Japan who are satisfied with Softbank's service.
My sister in law uses the iPhone4 in Fukuoka and all my in-laws use SoftBank there and love them.
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Old Oct 14, 2011, 06:42 PM   #47
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Hehe, nice omission by Apple to let everyone know... It makes siri that much more useless for people who were hoping to use it outside of the US.
This was listed on the relevant slide in the keynote and is on Apple's website. Reading brings knowledge.

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WHAT THE HELL?

Couldn't they have emphasised that in the keynote itself? I mean one of the prime tasks Siri handles is location specific search and maps. What's the point of this?

Geez.



It's definitely one of the biggest revolutions in the history of Apple. Some people definitely have the foresight to realise that. I agree it is beta, but the field specific control is unbelievable and is one of the most important user interfaces Apple has successfully implement including the mouse and the multi-touch technology.



And all people are alike? Duh!
It WAS mentioned in the keynote (go watch it and look at the slides) AND is mentioned on Apples site.

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But if you were in the UK and was looking forward to using Siri, I'm sure you would be as disappointed as the many here are.

Surely Siri utilizes search engine and google maps to find locations and such, therefore it's hard to see why something that works in the USA wouldn't work outside on devices which have internet access and maps installed.

BETA excuses dodgy responses from Siri, it hardly justifies the complete disregard for France, Germany and UK who all are sharing the same launch day as the USA. If Europe is seen as enough of a priority to justify a simultaneous launch, surely the one true 'killer' feature of the iPhone 4S should have deserved the same. Heck they've had enough time.
If you were in the UK (as I am) and bothered to pay attention to the keynote and read Apples site, then you'd know this function wasn't yet available anywhere outside US for the moment.

Really folks, Apple had this in their keynote AND on their site. Anyone complaining it is an omission simply didn't read the product info properly. I look forward to having it on my phone, but until then Siri is still bloody awesome.

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But your giving it your best shot ?


It would be interesting to see the responses if Siri had launched with European localization support and not USA what the reactions would have been.
The users there probably would have read the product info before purchasing.

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Siri not working anywhere but the states properly, even google admitted to that one!!!

= FAIL!!!

Go on Tim, give them all extra time off

PS I'm one of the most outspoken fanboys and I'm sitting here with my head in my hands

PPS Did I mention that iOS5 has put/taken a whopping 5.5GB on the illusive 'other' form/onto the capacity of hundreds if not thousands of devices... including mine https://discussions.apple.com/message/16335691#16335691 heres the link

THANK APPLE!
Final Cut Pro X rocks. It's opened up professional level editing tools to amateurs and made it even easier for amateurs to use. Let's not get into that debate though.

iPad was is an old device. New software will slow old devices down. Tis the way of the world now I'm afraid.

Siri works just fine for me. Maps isn't supported but then, they said in the keynote that it was US only and it IS beta software.

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This has been a catastrophe from the start for a lot of Apples users... From freezing/bricking devices, to eating up capacity https://discussions.apple.com/message/16335691#16335691 , through to making iPad 1's run as though they're working through treacle, and don't get me started on the iCloud scenario that makes Mobile Me look like a well oiled machine..

A big sell of the iPhone 4S was Siri, in almost every form of PR event, the launch, advertising and not ONCE was this mentioned. Neither is it on a 4S packaging. Apple want to hide bihind the Beta badge, disgusting.
Mentioned in the keynote AND on their site. Sorry to take away your only leg.

Remember: For every user complaining, there's about 100 loving their product and having no problems at all. This forum, and the Apple forum, are not reflective of the world.
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Hopefully Apple will bring forward the international release date for these features. I really like the iPhone 4S and it'd be great to have these commands too! It'd also mean not seeing this response again:

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It would be interesting to see the responses if Siri had launched with European localization support and not USA what the reactions would have been.
Apple is based in Cupertino, California. I used to buy Nokia phones. It annoyed me a little that Europeans got better phones than we did, but I understood it completely. I expect Apple to treat American customers a little bit better, since we're their best customers. They have twice the market share here as in the rest of the world.
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This was listed on the relevant slide in the keynote and is on Apple's website. Reading brings knowledge.

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It WAS mentioned in the keynote (go watch it and look at the slides) AND is mentioned on Apples site.

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If you were in the UK (as I am) and bothered to pay attention to the keynote and read Apples site, then you'd know this function wasn't yet available anywhere outside US for the moment.

Really folks, Apple had this in their keynote AND on their site. Anyone complaining it is an omission simply didn't read the product info properly. I look forward to having it on my phone, but until then Siri is still bloody awesome.

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The users there probably would have read the product info before purchasing.

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Final Cut Pro X rocks. It's opened up professional level editing tools to amateurs and made it even easier for amateurs to use. Let's not get into that debate though.

iPad was is an old device. New software will slow old devices down. Tis the way of the world now I'm afraid.

Siri works just fine for me. Maps isn't supported but then, they said in the keynote that it was US only and it IS beta software.

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Mentioned in the keynote AND on their site. Sorry to take away your only leg.

Remember: For every user complaining, there's about 100 loving their product and having no problems at all. This forum, and the Apple forum, are not reflective of the world.
I'm sorry about that. Maybe I was too ignorant.

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