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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:00 PM   #1
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iMessage Bug Sends Texts to Stolen iPhones






It appears that a bug in iMessage allows texts to be sent to a stolen iPhone, even after a remote wipe and disabling the SIM card, reports Ars Technica.

iMessage, introduced in iOS 5, is similar to RIM's BlackBerry messaging service. It sends text, picture, and video messages over Apple's servers instead of via the carrier's SMS service. This can lower the user's text messaging charges and adds features like delivery confirmation. It also allows users of non-cellular devices, like the iPad and iPod Touch, to send and receive text and picture messages -- as featured in a recent iPod Touch television ad.

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Our attention was drawn to this story by Ars reader David Hovis, whose house was recently burglarized and his wife's iPhone 4S was stolen. According to Hovis, his wife deactivated her iPhone with her carrier, remote wiped it, and immediately changed her Apple ID password--"we picked up a new iPhone the next day, figuring that our insurance would end up paying for it," Hovis told Ars.

For most users, this would be the end of the story. The phone number had been transferred to a new device and the old one had been deactivated; what more is there to say? A lot, apparently, and in the form of iMessages. The thief who stole Mrs. Hovis' iPhone had sold the device to an unsuspecting buyer elsewhere in the state, and the buyer had begun sending and receiving iMessages from the phone as Mrs. Hovis--even though the stolen phone had apparently now been activated under a new number.
Hovis sent messages to new "owner" of his wife's old phone, with the messages going to both the old and new phone, but the other person was uncooperative. He discovered a thread on the MacRumors forums with several readers reporting the same issues.

Apple has not commented on the matter, but it's possible that the iMessage servers permanently links the UDID number of a particular handset to a phone number, so it knows what handset to deliver iMessages to. When the phone is remotely wiped, and a new SIM card installed, the iMessage servers don't update and messages continue to be sent to the stolen phone.

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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:18 PM   #2
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It sends text, picture, and video messages over Apple's servers instead of via the carrier's SMS service.
Very often it fails to send pictures.. and I end up having to wait a while or e-mail them
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:18 PM   #3
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I posted about this long time ago, when the iphone 4s was just released. I found the solution. Change the phone number. Even after remotely wiping your phone changing apple id or anything else you can think of, the phone number is still on the old phone and cannot be changed unless the person with the stolen iphone does a restore. Changing the phone number will work. You can receive imessages in your iphone even with no sim card through the phone number which was a major headache for me, but after trying everything you can think of, changing the phone number worked.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:20 PM   #4
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I can't believe that...

That can't be true.. I have done this with a few different phones. Replaced the sim card with another and sent a message, it was delivered with that number. Using iMessage. It could be, maybe that it gets remote wiped. Did they try a Restore...???
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:21 PM   #5
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I guess it makes sense to assume that any person could be identified by N number of UDIDs on the server side of iMessage. (My iPhone, my iPad, my iPod Touch, etc -- that's three right there!)

But for this to be a permanent linkage is clearly a design flaw/oversight. The remote wipe should have nuked the UDID from iMessage's server-side database (or where ever the hell it's stored).
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:22 PM   #6
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That can't be true.. I have done this with a few different phones. Replaced the sim card with another and sent a message, it was delivered with that number. Using iMessage. It could be, maybe that it gets remote wiped. Did they try a Restore...???
Restore what? They don't have the iphone, it's stolen remember? This is a fact and I was a victim of this back in October. Unless the person with the stolen iphone puts a new sim card on the phone and uses it or he restores it, there's nothing you can do unless you change your phone number. Simple as that.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:29 PM   #7
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I think this shows great promise for those that have their iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch stolen. It shows Apple is sending to the registered hardware. In that case, Apple can know where it is in the world, helping victims report them to allow them to be returned even if it has been remote-wiped, that can then be just a safe guard for your information...
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:41 PM   #8
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So basically if you restore with a SIM tied to your number, iMessages might get sent to that device.

Scary stuff, really.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 02:46 PM   #9
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So basically if you restore with a SIM tied to your number, iMessages might get sent to that device.

Scary stuff, really.
You can also send messages too! Not just receive them... thats scary part.. and worse, the person who gets them come with your phone number...
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 03:01 PM   #10
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Strange as hell! What would happen if you swapped your SIM cards out a lot, for example, if you got an unlocked iPhone? Would that cause any issues with iMessage?

On another note, insurance on a phone? Since when is that a common thing???

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I think this shows great promise for those that have their iPhone/iPad/iPod Touch stolen. It shows Apple is sending to the registered hardware. In that case, Apple can know where it is in the world, helping victims report them to allow them to be returned even if it has been remote-wiped, that can then be just a safe guard for your information...
Interesting thought! However, if the device has been wiped by the person who stole it (or remote wiped by you), you can no longer track it as far as I know, even if technically it would be possible since the UUID is still the same… Or is it actually possible to track it after a wipe?
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 03:10 PM   #11
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The thing is ... if I'm traveling internationally I'd love for iMessages to go to the SIM card I'm using overseas ... even if the number is different. So, this seems more like a feature than something else.

However, Apple definitely needs to replace the old UDID if a phone is replaced. This seems a bit senseless on their part, but it may simply be difficult to track. Also, I can only imagine if someone simply switches away from the iPhone platform to something else if their iMessages will still continue elsewhere.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 03:12 PM   #12
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If verified that this is a bug then it is something that needs to be fixed. But on the other hand it could be something that could come in handy. Think about it....your iphone is lost or stolen and someone wipes it or replaces the SIM so they can use it. But you are still able to send an iMessage to it. How cool would that actually be if that could actually lead to the phone being returned to you.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 03:29 PM   #13
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If verified that this is a bug then it is something that needs to be fixed. But on the other hand it could be something that could come in handy. Think about it....your iphone is lost or stolen and someone wipes it or replaces the SIM so they can use it. But you are still able to send an iMessage to it. How cool would that actually be if that could actually lead to the phone being returned to you.
it also should mean that apple can track your phone even after a remote wipe. it says it can't be tracked anymore after a wipe but this bug shows i can be tracked.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 03:31 PM   #14
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It's a feature to be able to tell the thief pleasantries from time to time.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 03:44 PM   #15
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If verified that this is a bug then it is something that needs to be fixed. But on the other hand it could be something that could come in handy. Think about it....your iphone is lost or stolen and someone wipes it or replaces the SIM so they can use it. But you are still able to send an iMessage to it. How cool would that actually be if that could actually lead to the phone being returned to you.
The new owner gets to see every iMessage I send/receive. That may result in an occaional returned phone, but the rest of the time it is a huge privacy risk. It could go on forever. Every single iMessage you send/receive will be visible to the thief.
I have been following this issue for a while, and there have been lots of threads about this happening. In some cases users were getting sexually explicit messages from random people.
Apple needs to resolve this problem.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 04:08 PM   #16
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On another note, insurance on a phone? Since when is that a common thing???
The insurance wasn't on the phone, it was for their home. Many (most?) home insurance policies cover theft. The phone was stolen from their home in a break-in; thus, the cost of replacing it was covered under their home insurance.
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I had a weird iMessage thing happen last night. My wife and I sent each other an iMessage at ~the exact~ same time and my message did not go through. Guess it still has some bugs left to be worked out.

Technical details - Between an iPhone4 & iPad2. Same iTunes account. iPad set up with separate email account. iPad did not get the message. Other than that, seemingly no other issues.
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I was just about to say this is old news!

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I posted about this long time ago, when the iphone 4s was just released. I found the solution. Change the phone number. Even after remotely wiping your phone changing apple id or anything else you can think of, the phone number is still on the old phone and cannot be changed unless the person with the stolen iphone does a restore. Changing the phone number will work. You can receive imessages in your iphone even with no sim card through the phone number which was a major headache for me, but after trying everything you can think of, changing the phone number worked.
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 06:33 PM   #19
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ATT And Apple allowing stollen iPhones to to put back on the network

Whats really sad is that 99.9% of the cellphone users that have an iPhone stolen doesn't know that the stollen phone is put back on the network, activated and is being used by someone else (ATT and Apple are making money off of your stollen phone) This happened to me, I filed a police report and spoke to Apple and ATT both and was told that the stollen iPhone
Was Not put on the Blacklist so it could not be used on the network anymore. The detective said that they could easily idetify if the the phone was back on the network from its imei#, but that they could not do so unless there was an investigation and that the iPhone could be used to solve a more serious crime. It seems that what ATT and Apple are allowing to happen is definatly a crime.
I even had an person at ATT tell me that when she first went to work for ATT that in one of her first staff meetings this stolen phone blacklist was brought up and they were told that this blacklist is no longer used. She has worked in other cell companys for years and the blacklist was always used to keep stollen phones from ever being used on the network again.What I think is Really insane is that when anyone activates an iPhone on iTunes or a person does this in the store, why doesn't ATT or Apples system see the
imei# as stollen and stop it from being used. I will tell you why more$$$$

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The IMEI number is used by the GSM network to identify valid devices and therefore can be used for stopping a stolen phone from accessing the network in that country. For example, if a mobile phone is stolen, the owner can call his or her network provider and instruct them to "blacklist" the phone using its IMEI number. This renders the phone useless on that network and sometimes other networks too, whether or not the phone's SIM is changed.
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This is NOT just stolen phones.

I recently upgraded to a HTC Titan from a iPhone 4 last week. I did the upgrade through the AT&T .01 WP7 sale. I activated the Titan and when I did that, EVERYONE who still has an iPhone / iPad / iPod Touch who has ever sent me a text message before the switch, they are still going to my iPhone because of iMessaging. The iPhone has no service and no sim card installed. It is only on wi-fi and all of the texts go to it still.

I can send someone a SMS from my Titan and their response goes to my iPhone. It is super annoying and no one knows how to fix it.

IMO this is complete ******** really and it needs to be fixed. Currently I am a slave to this iPhone now :/
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 08:02 PM   #21
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iMessages sent to me were going to my old iPhone 3GS as well!

New phone:
4S, active SIM, my Apple ID.

Old phone:
3GS, wiped, activated with my SIM (but then SIM removed), my daughter's Apple ID.

Now, the 3GS said "No SIM" (using it as an iPod touch), and it had my daughter's Apple ID logged in. Any iMessage sent to me went both to my 4S and the 3GS.
I didn't understand why. It didn't have my SIM in it (so couldn't be using my phone number), and had only had *her* Apple ID, not mine.
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Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/5.1 Mobile/9A334 Safari/7534.48.3)

This would be fine with no resale market but since these items are regularly resold neither apple or the carriers wish to play judge Judy. People would sell devices and then claim them stolen if they could get them back
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Old Dec 15, 2011, 09:55 PM   #23
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Anyone know if this affects CDMA phones? Sold my VZW iP4 to get the 4s, wiped it before I sold it but now I'm concerned the new owner may be receiving my iMessages? Everyone keeps references sim cards with this issue but I didn't have a sim since it was the CDMA version.
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So basically to stop this, remove the sim, then restore and never put that sim back in, correct?
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May Steve Jobs rest in peace.

With or without Jobs, Apple has never done "services" right. iMessage is just another poor attempt. Why even even bother? Why would I switch to iMessage when Google Voice does texting to anyone, for free - on the iPhone? iChat, Facetime, iMessage...c'mon Apple. Just integrate the whole thing and make it compelling! Give us a reason to use it!

Stick to OSes, Apps, and hardware. Leave services to the companies that do them well (Google, Dropbox, etc.) and free.
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