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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:22 PM   #26
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Gizmodo is as filthy and useless as buttwiped toilet paper. Ever since Apple kicked them out of their events after what they did with the unreleased iPhone 4, they just wait for opportunities to throw shovels of burning crap at Apple.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:28 PM   #27
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"However, the fact that the Genius wasn't supposed to perform this act does not mean that this was merely an "extremely rare situation"."

You can't draw any conclusion in terms of how common this was from said action, why is the author of this article only highlighting it in one light?
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:29 PM   #28
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Apple Stores don't have active SIM cards lying around to troubleshoot issues with customers phones, so Geniuses HAVE to use their own SIM cards to make sure it's the phone and not the SIM. I did it, every other Genius does it. It may be unofficial, but it's not rare and it's common practice.

Edit: They're supposed to, but good luck keeping track of them. No store I worked at had a working SIM for more than two days consecutively. AT&T reps are... less than quick to respond to questions for new ones, if anyone ever remembers to ask.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:31 PM   #29
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People are commenting as though Apple said the theft issue is not a bug.

Apple did not say that. They said a specific instance of an employee mistake was not a bug.
And why is not a bug?
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:33 PM   #30
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I'm simply amazed that a fix hasn't yet been implemented. Apple in this case is simply sticking its head in the sand, hoping people will not notice the problem.

Just wait until some congressman or district attorney has his messages read. Then maybe we'll see Apple fix it.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:38 PM   #31
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I had that happen testing testing a coworkers iPhone with my SIM. I then got his texts (iMessages)...I learned things that no coworker should know. Two months later and it's still awkward.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:44 PM   #32
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Please Apple, please stop embarrassing yourselves.

Just fix it. And say you're working on fixing it. Now. This isn't something that you are secret about to generate a bit of buzz. It's a major security cockup. They happen. But you're making it worse.

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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:44 PM   #33
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Apple needs to implement a simple solution:

You go to apple.com/imessage

Sign in with your Apple ID and you can see all iOS devices associated with that account (listed with the device name, serial number and the last time it was used).

This page would allow you to remove any of the devices from that page and they stop receiving iMessages from your account.

The same functionality could be added to the Settings app in iOS or as a separate App if they really wanted to.

Some people have said that you can do this by deleting the device from your products list on the Apple Support page, but that doesn't work for everyone.
Get your logic out of here
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:45 PM   #34
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This happened to me. My old 3GS was wiped & restored. I was going to let my daughter use it like an iPod Touch.
It wouldn't get past activation after a wipe until a SIM was inserted, so I popped mine in real quick. After it activated, I removed my SIM and continued setting up the phone.

I create an Apple ID for her, and signed into iMessages. Should could then message me and some of her friends that also used iOS devices.

Messages sent to her Apple ID went through just fine.
Messages sent to *my* Apple ID went through to my phone and her phone as well.

Her phone wasn't signed into my account. My account/Apple ID wasn't used on that install of iOS at all. Just because my SIM was used to activate the device, iMessages sent to me were somehow going to *her* Apple ID.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:48 PM   #35
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:55 PM   #36
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Apple needs something more than a remote wipe. Apple needs a remote destruct. You send the destruct message and the phone can't be used by anyone until they take it to the Apple store and the Apple people reactivate it. This function needs to work, even if the thief swaps out SIM cards.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 01:56 PM   #37
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Apple Stores don't have active SIM cards lying around to troubleshoot issues with customers phones, so Geniuses HAVE to use their own SIM cards to make sure it's the phone and not the SIM. I did it, every other Genius does it. It may be unofficial, but it's not rare and it's common practice.
They are supposed to. Each Genius Bar should have at least two "Known Good" SIMs. If they don't have them, they need to get in touch with their AT&T rep.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:00 PM   #38
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They are supposed to. Each Genius Bar should have at least two "Known Good" SIMs. If they don't have them, they need to get in touch with their AT&T rep.
Supposed to and is are never the same.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:06 PM   #39
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i got my iPhone 4 replaced a few weeks ago and when i turned the new one on i got 2 iMessages popping up about a guy inviting a girl to the club, freaky enough i know the club and was confused for a while thinking hes someone i know but isnt

i guess that poor guy never got his date
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:08 PM   #40
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If you're worried about selling your phone because of this issue, just remember to remove your SIM card before you do a full erase and restore of the phone. If the buyer wants to test the phone before purchasing, he or she will have to bring their own SIM card when you meet. Or, get a free new SIM card from the Apple store if your buyer doesn't have one.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:11 PM   #41
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iPad2 to iPhone4s iMessage issue

I sent my wife's iPhone4s an iMessage from my iPad2, and somehow her sister (an Android user) got in on our conversation. She was actually able to reply to the messages and we were all stumped. I switched back to her iPad2 on iMessage and I haven't had an issue since.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:15 PM   #42
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It's Apple's way of preventing users from reselling their iPhone. Kidding asides, iMessage should really be routed based on the Apple ID account.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:23 PM   #43
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Supposed to and is are never the same.
Every iPhone on display has a working/active SIM. I called my phone from one of them and got its number, I was able to call/text it like any other phone.

So they obviously have active SIMS available...
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:26 PM   #44
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Every iPhone on display has a working/active SIM. I called my phone from one of them and got its number, I was able to call/text it like any other phone.

So they obviously have active SIMS available...
The active SIMs in the display iPhones can't be removed without taking the phone apart. To deter theft, display iPhones have their SIM tray replaced with one WITHOUT a pinhold slot to eject the SIM, so you can't get them out. They're also special accounts in some way or another.

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They are supposed to. Each Genius Bar should have at least two "Known Good" SIMs. If they don't have them, they need to get in touch with their AT&T rep.
Fair point. I've added to clarify. None of my stores had one for long enough for anyone to bother asking if it wasn't in one of the test phones and none of the AT&T reps I've ever encountered would dare set foot or communicate with an Apple store other than on launch days.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:30 PM   #45
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Right, you bought it in the alley behind the office from a reputable Italian gentleman named Pauly.
Hey!! I know Pauly, and he would NEVER do something like that! Ever.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:38 PM   #46
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I had that happen testing testing a coworkers iPhone with my SIM. I then got his texts (iMessages)...I learned things that no coworker should know. Two months later and it's still awkward.
Wait, you mean the reverse of this situation happened to you?

That is, you got someone else's texts after putting your SIM in their iphone??


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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:43 PM   #47
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imessage needs some notification fine-tuning.
switching SIM's in my phone resulted in my phone # getting knocked out of imessages. but did the phone tell me this?! of course not. i only realized that by going through all my settings, and noticing that it said "verifying" next to my #.

when i called apple, they kept having me doing resets. when we got up to resetting all my settings, i told them to get lost. asked on a forum, and it turned out all i had to do was turn imessage off and back on.

while this was happening i wasn't receiving ppl's msgs even though it said "delivered" for them.

some women got mad at me over this!

also, it often tells me that my msg wasn't delivered, yet i get a reply.

seriously... they need to fix this up. hopefully they will soon.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:53 PM   #48
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This issue had been around for a while even back in November, when I ran into it: https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 02:55 PM   #49
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For a device with GPS, several unique identifiers, & constant connectivity, there's no reason why an iPhone should be able to be stolen and used for anything by anyone but its rightful owner.

Logging into iCloud should not only present the find my iPhone GPS feature, but allow you to reroute all incoming communications to the web portal, have it alert you when the device comes online or auto-record location tracking & whatnot, give you the option to monitor the iPhones cameras & mic, record discretely, and prepare it as an easy package to hand to police. Police won't usually bother with recovery of a stolen phone, but if they don't have to hunt for it, and can see/hear/record the thief with the goods live, it makes for an easy recovery. Looks good at the end of a month. ...especially if it was stolen with a car or other items. iCloud should be the total control portal for your devices.
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Old Feb 2, 2012, 03:03 PM   #50
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At the risk of sounding silly, is this a GSM-only problem related only to the SIM card? Or is it something that would also manifest in some way on a CDMA iPhone?
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