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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:40 AM   #101
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$1499? 42"? What is this 2009? lol.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:41 AM   #102
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Is there anything, if made by Apple, people would not want or wouldn't be curious about?

I mean, considering how they usually reinvent anything they do, how they apply their best design and engineering practice and love to their products, would you really NOT be interested in Apple anything?

Would you say no to 42" Apple TV? Would you say no to Apple Toilet? I'm sure it'd the coolest toilet out there.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:41 AM   #103
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I just went to Amazon.com, pulled up all HDTVs 40-44", sorted by price "high to low". Of 304 total models in that list, 14 were priced at $1499 or higher (at Amazon). Apparently, you would argue that only those 14 are not crap televisions. I suspect that many of the other 290 sets are excellent quality HDTVs too.

And Amazon is not necessarily the low-price leader for television buyers (I bet several of those 14 could be found for <$1499 with a little shopping on other sites).
I do agree that you can find decent tv's under $1500, but what are the lower priced ones specs? Are they LED? 120Hz or higher? 3D? SmartTV? Built in WiFi? I'm guessing not.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:41 AM   #104
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It's more than a trend, it's the future and it's waiting to be perfected. Maybe Apple can do it?
Nothing so far has proven to be evidence that it's the future. Most of the data out there actually suggests that it's failing fast. Just look to the trends at recent trade shows like NAB and CES. ESPN has suggested that their experiment in 3d might be over. And while it does provide Hollywood some revenue, that's only because the tickets are so damn expensive. Overall ticket sales have been trending downwards for 3d films. And then you have the poor adoption in the home theater market.

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Actually it's not. When it is well done 3d can be very useful.
How is it useful? I've seen crappy 3d and 3d done "right.". While one was obviously better than the other, they're still both essentially moving planar objects through z space to present depth (something your brain has no problem doing with 2d images).

I still think this iteration of 3d is a fad. It will take something revolutionary like holographic imaging. But of course that would be a new medium altogether, so you couldn't even compare the two.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:46 AM   #105
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Are you like a hillbilly or something? A comparable Samsung is like 2,000 dollars w/out tax. This would be consider cheaper and still more advanced.
More advanced? Really? Samsung TVs can playback MKV files and all other video formats out of the box, there is no way an Apple TV (without a jailbreak) will ever be compatible with anything but iTunes.

iOS-based products are crippled by design, so they will never be more advanced than something that tries not to lock you into a walled garden.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:48 AM   #106
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Wow .... iphone price and feature all over again.....

first : they have a 27 inch display for 999$ why should this 42 inch tv cost less if it have the same features.... Why would someone pay 1K for a 27 inch screen... quality, thunderbolt, easy of use with MacBookAir and Pro...

second : BB is missing a point with the survey... Apple is going to put something "special" in the tv...
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:50 AM   #107
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How can anyone justify $1500 for a 42" television, no matter how smart it is? For that price, I can go out and build a top-of-the-line gaming computer AND get a nice 42" 120hz LED TV.

Those who are saying that there are comparably priced/featured sets out there must be the ones paying sticker price when they buy a car. MSRP =/= actual retail price.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:52 AM   #108
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There is no way it will cost $1499.
I'd put it at $999. If anyone noticed, they have better products at similar or better price points in the iOS Market. Even their 27" Cinema display is a better deal than what you'll get from others.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:53 AM   #109
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Come on, I know able can charge whatever, and people will still buy it. But when it comes to a tv, apple or not, nobody is gonna pay 1500 dollars for a 42" tv. Come on, my parents won't even pay 700 for a 55". This is one apple product I will not be buying and neither will anybody else.
It's you choice, and I really don't care that you don't want to buy it.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:56 AM   #110
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Wow .... iphone price and feature all over again.....

first : they have a 27 inch display for 999$ why should this 42 inch tv cost less if it have the same features.... Why would someone pay 1K for a 27 inch screen... quality, thunderbolt, easy of use with MacBookAir and Pro...

second : BB is missing a point with the survey... Apple is going to put something "special" in the tv...
The problem with that is the $999 display is sigifigently better resoulituon then most TVs on the market. So unless Apple wants to market a retina TV at 2 foot viewing distance the price doesn't make sense. Computer displays and TVs have always been different in Price point because of resolution and operating distance.

Whatever the "special" is will have to be fairly darn special then because even the rumors of Apple TV have smartTV makers scrambling to get ahead in almost every type of input tech. Even MS is in the game a bit with looks at Kinect enhanced shows.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:57 AM   #111
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$1499, no thanks. I "could" understand $999, but $1499 for a tiny 42" is too much. Should be:

32": $699
42": $999
47": $1299
55": $1799

LED, 120Hz, and 3D for the 47 and 55 inch models.
Man, are you a dreamer! You likely want to pay $150 for a new iPad 3 too.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 11:57 AM   #112
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Better is the enemy of good enough.

There are plenty of good enough 42" TV's for half the price of the BB price of $1500.

While you can get TV's at the high end (depending on what you mean by high end) for that price (or more); the real question is how big will the market be for a set at they price point. Will it be big enough to make a significant dent on Apple's revenue (and profit margin) or will it just be a hobbyist item like iTV.

It's be a hard upsell to get someone to buy a $1500 set that is looking at a $600 - 800 set; and many people in the $1500 price range will be considering other options, such as a projector as well.
Your problem is is using terms like, “good enough” and in thinking in terms of the bottom of the barrel market, which Apple is not a part of. An Apple television set would not be meant for people looking for $600 or $700 tv’s. No more than Apple computers are meant for people looking for $300 or $400 computers. Sure, you can get a functional computer for $300 but its not going to be the best designed computer with the best quality parts and features….same thing for tv’s. A $600 tv will get the job done. But you don’t get the best picture quality/contrast ratio, panel type, display engine, etc.

When thinking about the potential pricing of an Apple branded television, first think about the pricing of Apple branded computers. To me, $1,400 for a 40” tv seems reasonable. And for an Apple branded television, it seems downright cheap. I would expect an entry level 40” Apple television to be around $1,799 and go up for there. A 55” Apple television to be $2,100, etc. These prices seem more reasonable.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 12:03 PM   #113
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I don't care about that the TV, I just want ATV3 w/ Siri functionality and more power
That's probably what it will be. A viable alternate rumor sez the looming product is really a dongle-ized ATV, drawing all power from the HDMI port and using iOS devices as controllers (perhaps Siri-enabled). Consider: take out the internal 120v power supply, drop the IR & LED, and aggressively reduce power consumption & size, and you'll end up with something akin to an iPod Touch with no display nor battery - no bigger than a couple stacked quarters, which mounts directly on the HDMI plug. HDMI devices are obligated to supply at least 55mA, and most supply much more; how much does an active iPod Touch need minus the screen?

Apple could move a whole lot more dongle-sized ATV3s than big-panel displays, precisely because of all the "I already have a TV" retorts. $99 for a stick that brings Siri to your TV will sell a whole lot more - and move a lot more streaming rentals - than the machined-aluminum OLED panel we'd expect from Apple if they went there.
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I'd put it at $999. If anyone noticed, they have better products at similar or better price points in the iOS Market. Even their 27" Cinema display is a better deal than what you'll get from others.
The 27" Apple LCD is a good deal? Surely you jest.
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Your problem is is using terms like, “good enough” and in thinking in terms of the bottom of the barrel market, which Apple is not a part of. An Apple television set would not be meant for people looking for $600 or $700 tv’s. No more than Apple computers are meant for people looking for $300 or $400 computers. Sure, you can get a functional computer for $300 but its not going to be the best designed computer with the best quality parts and features….same thing for tv’s. A $600 tv will get the job done. But you don’t get the best picture quality/contrast ratio, panel type, display engine, etc.

When thinking about the potential pricing of an Apple branded television, first think about the pricing of Apple branded computers. To me, $1,400 for a 40” tv seems reasonable. And for an Apple branded television, it seems downright cheap. I would expect an entry level 40” Apple television to be around $1,799 and go up for there. A 55” Apple television to be $2,100, etc. These prices seem more reasonable.
Can I have some Kool-Aid please. I always love the sugary fruit punch flavour myself!

Those prices you're listing are beyond reason. Many have provided links, I know i have. Best Buy Canada alone is already selling Sony, "internet" smart TVs, with 3d, 120hz, internet sharing and all the fancy stuff, for the 1100 price range at these sizes. with 42" tv's, in the 120hz range that are 'dumb' for as little as 600. Throwing an apple TV logo on a stock panel doesn't justify 30% increase in price, Especially when Apple often outsources who makes their panels anyways. They're often good panels, but they're far from the best. Apple will need to do better than a simple TV with intergrated APPLE TV product for the price that Best Buy is aiming at.

What I dont understand, Is why apple set 1499 in their survey. Any product specialist at Best Buy knows that TV's are generally much cheaper than that.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 12:08 PM   #116
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It's going to be one irritating product. How do they charge over $999 for $99 worth of features? Make the whole display.

It's so not needed. Not even slightly. No reason why they can't release an AppleTV 3 w/ A6, Siri, 1080p and actually satisfy what WE WANT.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 12:13 PM   #117
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There is no way it will cost $1499.
My guess is that is that Best Buy and Apple are in kahoots on this one. Apple is moving into a totally new product category where there is not much pricing presidence. I take this is a trail ballon to survey price and customer response. IMO, there are will be two models of Apple televisions. A 32" or 36" at right around $950 and a larger 42" at the price mentioned.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 12:17 PM   #118
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The 27" Apple LCD is a good deal? Surely you jest.

The 27" Apple LCD is NOT a good deal. Please, don't call me Shirley.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 12:20 PM   #119
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Can you imagine playing Angry Birds on a big screen in your living room?
Is this TV going to have touch input? Even then, no, I don't imagine standing in front of my TV to play it.
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 12:24 PM   #120
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You would rather flip through a guide than say "Siri, what is showing on Fox at 2:30 AM on Tuesday, November 30th, 2012?"? I guess we can agree to disagree then.
jap call me stupid but by the time i know what or how to say it to siri she already responses with "sry i didnt understand you" already drives me crazy on the iPhone, its nearly impossible for me to speak an sms with siri "do u want me to send the following: send text to xy" NO I DONT WANT YOU TO SENDTHE TEXT "send text" stupid woman
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Old Feb 6, 2012, 12:32 PM   #121
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You would rather flip through a guide than say "Siri, what is showing on Fox at 2:30 AM on Tuesday, November 30th, 2012?"? I guess we can agree to disagree then.
As awesome as that would be, how accurate will it be when a persons child (or other folks in general) are yelling (talking) when you are trying to do that?

As it is I have to repeat myself to Siri a lot if my child is yelling/talking...
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jap call me stupid but by the time i know what or how to say it to siri she already responses with "sry i didnt understand you" already drives me crazy on the iPhone, its nearly impossible for me to speak an sms with siri "do u want me to send the following: send text to xy" NO I DONT WANT YOU TO SENDTHE TEXT "send text" stupid woman
That tech will improve over time. It works incredibly well for me.
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How does this benefit Best Buy?
They'll have an idea of how many to order from Apple.


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$1499, no thanks. I "could" understand $999, but $1499 for a tiny 42" is too much. Should be:

32": $699
42": $999
47": $1299
55": $1799

LED, 120Hz, and 3D for the 47 and 55 inch models.
You clearly don't understand how Apple works. Apple charges a price only the fanboys will be able to justify for the first generation.

The first Macintosh: $2500 was entry price. Today? $600.
The first MacBook Air: $3000 was the entry price. Today? $1000.
The first iPod: $500. Today? $80.
The first iPhone: $600. Today? $0.
The first Apple TV: $300. Today? $100.

Do you get my point?

(I'll admit these prices are all off the top of my head, but I think most of them are within 20% of the real price.)
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If Apple actually releases this thing, I predict that it'll be the biggest flop since the G4 cube for the following reasons:

1. People are satisfied with the televisions on the market. There isn't really a perceived lack of quality.

2. You can generally find a decent 42" 120hz LED internet-connected television on sale in the $600 - 900 range.

3. Consumers of high-end televisions would need to be convinced to leave their current brand of choice. Cinemaphiles are generally very brand-loyal and existing producers put out sets with exceptional picture quality.

3. As the pace of development has increase, consumers are upgrading their televisions more and more frequently.

The real issue here is price. Apple won't sell their product at a price point that is competitive with current entry/mid-level products that are "decent enough" for the average consumer. They also likely won't be able to beat other high-end sets in picture quality, the most important criteria in the premium segment. Add to that the lack of upgradability and you have a real dud here.
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Siri is still largely a novelty to me. Sometimes it does some pretty cool stuff but for the most part it's frustrating. I cant ever see myself finding a voice controlled tv convienient. Just awkward. Picture yourself in a dark room surfing channels, "channel up, channel up, channel up, channel up" or picture a kid sleeping in the room next door and youre sitting there talking to yourself, what of you watch tv with headphones late at night like did when I was working nights. even the iPod or iPad input, can be annoying, Especially if I'm already using those devices for something else. Clearly I haven't seen it but the idea sounds horrible to me. Plus Siri hates my half English half American accent.
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