Register FAQ / Rules Forum Spy Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read
Go Back   MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > Mac Blog Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old Feb 16, 2012, 06:29 PM   #76
nicklad
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Nottingham, UK
Quote:
Originally Posted by the-ep View Post
Had to notify two friends of mine, who have Late '06 iMacs with the X1600, about this news. They were a bit distressed, but at the same time were content with keeping their systems on Lion / Win7 for a bit longer.

Either way, considering AAPL's track record with quick discontinuation of older hardware this comes as no surprise.
I expect it's more of AMD's doing in the case of the X1600 than Apple. They discontinued driver support for it as Windows 7 released back in 2009.
nicklad is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 06:38 PM   #77
SilverOnemi
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
well, one of the main marketing plots is that " macs last forever ", but what about now? is 3 years the time our macbooks are supposed to last now?
__________________
# SilverOne - Best Regards
2011 2.2mbp - 6750m - crucial 8gb - apple 128gb ssd - high res matte .
SilverOnemi is offline   9 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 06:57 PM   #78
cubbie5150
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverOnemi View Post
well, one of the main marketing plots is that " macs last forever ", but what about now? is 3 years the time our macbooks are supposed to last now?
True or not, that's kinda how I'm approaching things at this point.
__________________
15" rMBP | 16GB DDR3-1600MHz RAM | Quad Core i7-3720QM 2.6GHz | 256GB SSD
cubbie5150 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:41 PM   #79
Nanasaki
macrumors 6502
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
That's odd

As far as i read the preview from Apple's webpage, i don't see anything that could prevent 10.8 running on Macs with Intel graphic card. Not sure why would Apple want to do that, but that's Apple. While i still enjoying Windows 7 on my old old AMD Athlon64 PC built on 2005. Looking forward for Windows 8 on my old machine, while i throw my old Macbook away. Oh well, i am more will torrent 10.8 and install on my Macbook Pro. Not paying Apple single penny.
__________________
MacBook Air 2012, Mac Mini 2011, iPad Mini 1&2, iPad 4, Nexus 4, Nexus 7, Moto G
Nanasaki is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:41 PM   #80
JonneyGee
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Nashville, TN
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/9A405)

Quote:
Originally Posted by cube
WTF?

Anyway, no Rosetta, no Lion.
I created a separate SL partition for the few programs I have that need Rosetta. That way I can enjoy the features of Lion the rest of the time. Just a thought.
JonneyGee is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:48 PM   #81
jackc
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverOnemi View Post
well, one of the main marketing plots is that " macs last forever ", but what about now? is 3 years the time our macbooks are supposed to last now?
I don't think anyone ever claimed that Macs last forever. And your Mac will still work.
jackc is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:52 PM   #82
Spectrum Abuser
macrumors 65816
 
Spectrum Abuser's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Well the GMA 945/950 was weak when it was released. Let alone several years down the road. Not to say it's trash as that little chipset does handle Windows 7 Aero pretty well, but it does have a fine black line of limitations. I assume Apple has finally accepted that.
__________________
iPad Mini Retina 16GB WiFi - iPhone 4 16GB (AT&T) - 21.5" iMac 2.5Ghz i5 (2011)
Spectrum Abuser is offline   3 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 08:58 PM   #83
JonneyGee
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Nashville, TN
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; CPU iPhone OS 5_0_1 like Mac OS X) AppleWebKit/534.46 (KHTML, like Gecko) Mobile/9A405)

Quote:
Originally Posted by theSeb
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtOfWarfare View Post
I agree, but given I was already tricked into getting Lion, I may as well go forward with Mountain Lion.

Oh, and missing from your list:
Widgets and Spaces.

Seriously, what the heck were they thinking when they decided to change how those worked? I vastly preferred the old system of having 2x2 spaces with a layer of widgets on top of them all. I could access any space or widget with just one gesture. Now if I want to get to my widget from space 4, I have to cross space 3, 2, and 1, and then go all the way back to get back to them.

Or go into that mess known as system control.

Bleh!

... maybe I can benefit from Apple's lack of including obvious features again and just write a little app that adds them in?
You can have your widgets come up on any space with F12. I don't understand the issue?
I liked the 2x2 layout better than 1x4 as well, but it's really not a big deal because you can program shortcuts for pretty much whatever you want, including jumping to a space, pulling up widgets, and Exposť.
JonneyGee is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 09:21 PM   #84
Val-kyrie
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: In the digital void.
Quote:
Originally Posted by rowley View Post
My Mac Mini doesn't support Lion, so the mountain version not being supported even more. Sticking with Snow Leopard until of course I get new hardware.
My BlackBook supports Lion, but I need to run Fusion and VMWare suggests 4GB RAM (alone) to run Fusion on Lion. People run it on less, but those with older machines complain about a lack of speed in those cases. I could go from 4GB to 6GB (per OWC), but that is another $100 and I really like my setup with Spaces in Snow Leopard.


Quote:
Originally Posted by cubbie5150 View Post
True or not, that's kinda how I'm approaching things at this point.
Apple's support for machines has been trending toward a three-year limit (like AppleCare) from the end of a particular model.

Personally, I have been thinking about upgrading, but after reading about Ivy Bridge and Haswell, I have decided that while IB offers a nice CPU improvement, Haswell is the better upgrade because of the advancement of Intel's integrated graphics with Haswell. Given Apple's tendency to EOL hardware based on graphics, I think Apple will support a Haswell-based system longer than IB just based on graphics ability.
__________________
No Digital TV Signal?
--Call 800-CALL-FCC or 800-TELL-FCC
--They'll tell you they know.
Val-kyrie is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 09:47 PM   #85
wordoflife
macrumors 604
 
wordoflife's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
I thought Apple used to advertise how their machines used to get updates for years. Like 7 years.

To be honest, the main features of ML are just a few new apps. If your computer can run L, then it should be able to run ML.
wordoflife is offline   7 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 09:54 PM   #86
jll62
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtOfWarfare View Post
Next big issues for me... the inaccessibility of widgets (why is there no gesture to reach the dashboard?)
With your trackpad, three finger swipe left or right will switch between full screen apps or other desktops you have open. From desktop 1, a three finger swipe right will bring you to the dashboard.
jll62 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:25 PM   #87
shurcooL
macrumors 6502a
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkippyThorson View Post
The both of you just made my day a whole lot better. I saw Late-2008 up there and got worried for a minute. I'm extremely happy with my decision now. Still rocking the removable battery and the latest OS. It's a good day.

Are there any odds is decision could be reversed, or are we (the Unibody Aluminum MacBook users) pretty safely locked in to getting Mountain Lion? I'm happy with Lion, but I would like to know I'm still thought about in Apple's world.

Great, great news. Can't wait to update. Even though it feels like Lion just came out.
Yeah, I was pretty worried about my Late 2008 Aluminum MacBook, but it seems to be safe. Reason being it has a dedicated Nvidia 9400M, which is pretty much equivalent to Nvidia 320M and the latest Intel 3000 that the current-gen 13" MacBook Air/Pros sport. I hope this MacBook lasts me a long time cuz I love it.
shurcooL is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:28 PM   #88
benthewraith
macrumors 68030
 
benthewraith's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Miami, FL
Send a message via AIM to benthewraith Send a message via MSN to benthewraith
Quote:
Originally Posted by SteveLV702 View Post
So my 2007 17" MacBook Pro with NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT will be able to run Mountain Lion..... And my 2007 iMac ?
Yes.
__________________
Late-2013 13" rMBP, 2.4GHz, 8 GB RAM 250GB SSD,
benthewraith is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:31 PM   #89
wolfpackfan
macrumors 65816
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Cary, NC
So Mountain Lion won't run on a Mac mini I purchased new in 2007 but I have no problem at all running Windows 8 on a laptop I purchased in 2004. Strange. Thanks a lot Apple.
wolfpackfan is offline   8 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:41 PM   #90
Wyvernspirit
macrumors 6502a
 
Wyvernspirit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Massachusetts
Send a message via AIM to Wyvernspirit
Quote:
Originally Posted by ArtOfWarfare View Post
Oh, and I just remembered one of my favorite features that they touted in Snow Leopard and then promptly removed in Lion.

Click and hold on any icon in the dock and it would show you all the windows for whichever app you were pointing at! Fantastically handy! So intuitive that even though it's gone in Lion, I still try doing it all the freakin' time (and it never works. )
I'm not sure I understand you, I am on Lion, when I click and hold on an application icon in the dock, all the open windows of that application are listed on the top of the pop up menu. I use this all the time when web browsing as I will often have multiple windows instead of tabs for this exact use.
__________________
20" Aluminum iMac 2.4GHz
White iPhone 5 [16GB]
Space Gray iPad Mini with retina[32GB]
iPad (3rd Gen), iPhone (4,3G S⃣, and Classic) ($SOLD$)
Wyvernspirit is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:44 PM   #91
arkmannj
macrumors 65816
 
arkmannj's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: UT
Send a message via AIM to arkmannj
how about my (old)MBP
  • MacBook Pro 3,1 (2007)
  • 2.4GHz C2D, 4MB L2, 2 cores
  • 800MHz bus
  • 4GB 667 MHz, DDR2 SDRAM,
  • NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 256 MB
  • Western Digital 5400RPM 500GB

would I be outta luck ?
arkmannj is offline   1 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:48 PM   #92
marcusj0015
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: U.S.A.
Why are they doing this? is there an OpenGL upgrade or something, or are they simply being dicks. again.
marcusj0015 is offline   4 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 10:53 PM   #93
garrettstech
macrumors member
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: United States
Well that sucks now i will have to upgrade from my late 2006 imac.
__________________
Late 2006 17 inch iMac 1.8 core 2 duo, 2gb ram, OSX 10.7, iLife 11, Comcast Xfinity Internet

Last edited by garrettstech; Feb 20, 2012 at 10:10 PM.
garrettstech is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 11:03 PM   #94
jll62
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lesser Evets View Post
You aren't the only one saying it might be free. Can you provide a precedent? When has Apple ever offered a free OS or major software (aside from the ones installed on the machine)? How would they make money with all that product development?
tl;dr: The Mac is now just a device. Apple doesn't charge for major OS releases on their devices.

Long version:
There doesn't have to be a precedent. Consider Steve Jobs' statement at 2011 WWDC that Apple is going to, "...demote the PC and the Mac to just be a device; just like an iPhone, an iPad, and an iPod touch." With today's announcements, Apple has truly made the Mac just another device in 10.8 and Apple doesn't charge for OS releases to their devices. Why would the Mac be any different than the others? It's now just another device. The move to a yearly release schedule all but proves this, in my mind. They want to keep both OSes in sync so that the user experiences can be unified in an iCloud way.

Surprisingly, $29 is a barrier to updating for some users. It's far better than $129, but it's not $0. Unless users upgrade quickly to new OS X releases, Apple won't be able to continue pushing their iCloud strategy on all of their devices. Removing the cost barrier is one way of ensuring more people upgrade sooner and this is better for Apple in the long run due to the better experience for customers.

Apple's amazing bottom line comes from the purchase of high-margin hardware products, not from OS software releases. If Apple is willing to forgo revenue from iOS releases (which can't be significantly cheaper to develop and test than OS X), then I see no reason why they won't eventually do the same for OS X since the Mac is now, say it with me, just another device.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but this all seems way too logical to me. I will be shocked if Apple doesn't take this approach going forward. It makes too much sense.

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyvernspirit View Post
I'm not sure I understand you, I am on Lion, when I click and hold on an application icon in the dock, all the open windows of that application are listed on the top of the pop up menu. I use this all the time when web browsing as I will often have multiple windows instead of tabs for this exact use.
That's different. The OP was talking about Dock Expose, now called App Expose, where just the open windows for the app will show. What you see is just text, not the actual window contents (which is far more usable). Read my response a few pages back.
jll62 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 11:03 PM   #95
jmccray
macrumors regular
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Well, it looks like my mid-2007 iMac will be supported. I started out with Tiger, then moved to Leopard, SL, Lion and now Mountain Lion. I've gotten my money's worth and then some, so I know I'll have to upgrade next year!
jmccray is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 11:08 PM   #96
dukebound85
macrumors P6
 
dukebound85's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 5045 feet above sea level
Few questions

1) any idea id ML is less resource hungary than Lion?
2)If these are free updates, do you think that Apple will prevent users from the ability to downgrade the OS?

----------

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyvernspirit View Post
I'm not sure I understand you, I am on Lion, when I click and hold on an application icon in the dock, all the open windows of that application are listed on the top of the pop up menu. I use this all the time when web browsing as I will often have multiple windows instead of tabs for this exact use.
In SL, when you do that, it acts as expose for the app you are holding. In lion, it just has a list of what windows that app has open
dukebound85 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 16, 2012, 11:20 PM   #97
Watabou
macrumors 68020
 
Watabou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: United States
Quote:
Originally Posted by arkmannj View Post
how about my (old)MBP
  • MacBook Pro 3,1 (2007)
  • 2.4GHz C2D, 4MB L2, 2 cores
  • 800MHz bus
  • 4GB 667 MHz, DDR2 SDRAM,
  • NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT 256 MB
  • Western Digital 5400RPM 500GB

would I be outta luck ?
No, you are fine. 8600M is a discrete graphics card.
__________________
Haswell 15" rMBP, 2.3GHz, 16GB, 512GB SSD, 750M :: OS X Yosemite DP 6
iPhone 5
Early 2008 MBP, iPhone 3GS (retired)
Watabou is offline   2 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 17, 2012, 12:11 AM   #98
vivian201223
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion

Yeap, i also noticed, but how someone tell me when it will be avaiable?
vivian201223 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 17, 2012, 12:57 AM   #99
MacintoshUser86
macrumors newbie
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Primos, PA
I should be ok.

I have an early 2008 iMac running the Intel Core 2 Duo at 2.66GHz and it's 64bit from top to bottom with 4gigs DDR2 of Ram. My video card is the ATI Radeon HD 2600 Pro with 256MB of VRam.

And I'm currently running Lion perfectly.

Should I be ok?
MacintoshUser86 is offline   0 Reply With Quote
Old Feb 17, 2012, 01:37 AM   #100
DESNOS
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Quote:
Originally Posted by wikus View Post
It gets worse. Mission control is a complete failure.

Try working on 2 documents in Illustrator, 3 in Photoshop and 1 in Indesign, and having a couple finder windows open, Xee, and some other stuff. Youre currently in one of your photoshop documents and you need to find a file, open it in illustrator and bring it into photoshop.

In Snow Leopard:

show all windows all at once in expose, go to finder (any finder window) open in illustrator, copy object, show all windows again all at once and go DIRECTLY into the desired photoshop document and paste.

In Lion:

show all windows in mission control, and then get stuck with all finder windows being grouped together. randomly choose one and then find window. then open file in illustrator, copy object and use mission control only to find all photoshop document windows AGAIN be grouped, which the only solution is to pick the front document and hope its the desired one, and if not, use mission control AGAIN to fan out all documents within the application, requiring another useless step, just like the initial step with finder.

Who the hell was in charge of mission control?

And why is there no option in system preferences for mission control to show all windows at once without grouping?!
Try pressing the spacebar over a highlighted window in grouped-up mode. It works just like you'd expect (QuickLook). I think the issue you're having is learning the new way Apple expects you to do things. It is annoying that they make these kinds of decisions for us though...
DESNOS is offline   -1 Reply With Quote

Reply
MacRumors Forums > News and Article Discussion > Mac Blog Discussion

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Similar Threads
thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
OS X Mountain Lion Officially Drops Support for Some Older 64-Bit Macs MacRumors MacRumors.com News Discussion 656 Jul 11, 2013 02:43 PM
Resolved:: Mountain lion on macbook 2006 model. Anybody done it? codman1004 MacBook 8 Dec 3, 2012 02:59 PM
install mountain lion on a 2006 macbook pro or not iPersian MacBook Pro 4 Nov 9, 2012 09:29 AM
Snow Leopard Vs Lion Vs Mountain Lion for 2006 2.66x4 Mac Pro cen7779 Mac Pro 9 Oct 3, 2012 03:44 PM
MacPro 2006 not Compatible with Mountain Lion??? Paratel OS X 10.8 Mountain Lion 3 Sep 21, 2012 02:13 PM

Forum Jump

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:52 PM.

Mac Rumors | Mac | iPhone | iPhone Game Reviews | iPhone Apps

Mobile Version | Fixed | Fluid | Fluid HD
Copyright 2002-2013, MacRumors.com, LLC