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Apple Removes X11 in OS X Mountain Lion, Shifts Support to Open Source XQuartz
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lhunath
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It works just fine. There's a few minor quirks because of X11, but negligible.
Excuse me, but Pixelmator is a toddler's toy compared to the Gimp. You can't honestly expect to do any serious professional work in it, and its proprietary format will lock you down.
It runs fine for tons of users. Are you experiencing a specific issue? If so please report a bug.
CrossOver ships their own server and does not actually use anything from Apple's X11 except for quartz-wm. I suggest you contact Codeweavers for access to test versions of Crossover that will work on Mountain Lion.
As with most updates, MacPorts will need to adjust to this change. We're working on it, and you can follow the thread I started on macports-dev for specific information.
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Please use the latest rc version of XQuartz (currently 2.7.1_rc4). As you probably discovered, earlier versions (like 2.7.0) don't fixup some things.
That's not true. XQuartz sets $DISPLAY for you (and always has). You need to logout and log back in to get $DISPLAY. This is mentioned on the download page and in the installer.
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What do you mean? The entire startup sequence for XQuartz is based on xinit and startx. If you're having issues, please file bug reports with specific information.
About what? File bugs, and they'll get fixed in time. I can't fix bugs I don't know about 😉
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Note that All of X11 is based off of public APIs except for a small set of "private" APIs in a library that lives at /usr/lib/libXplugin.dylib ... as long as that library is updated for future releases, it should "just work"
Yeah, but seeing as how the "open source XQuartz team" is 99% @apple.com, I think that's probably not difficult...
Actually versions of XQuartz that work with Mountain Lion were released well in advance of Mountain Lion. You just need to be using the rc versions of XQuartz. 2.7.1_rc4 works great with it.
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Yes.
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File bug reports.
You installed the wrong version. Install 2.7.1_rc4.
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It is a valid concern. Please report problems.
No, but I will fix bugs if you report them. gimp runs fine here, but I'm by no means a gimp power user.
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ixodes
macrumors 601
As with anything else it can be argued both ways, regarding which one is better.
Personally due to the kind of circuit design and other work I do, XQuartz is preferred for it's more frequent updates and a very vibrant active community.
X11 is similar, thus again I say it's really a matter of personal preference.
Personally due to the kind of circuit design and other work I do, XQuartz is preferred for it's more frequent updates and a very vibrant active community.
X11 is similar, thus again I say it's really a matter of personal preference.
Colpeas
macrumors 6502a
Sometimes I have a feel in that Lion is also still Beta... I really miss the times when Macintosh was reliable and stable system. Now it is just a load of junk. Crashes all the time (i made a clean installation less than 3 moths ago) and the rainbow wheel is up every other minute.
If that's the way the OS X is gonna go, I see dark times ahead.
Saladinos
macrumors 68000
People are treating this as if it was GM.
File bug reports about the relevant applications.
It's Apple's job to look in to those applications and why they break. For all you know, they could have mechanisms planned to implement the missing functionality that are just buggy right now.
Apple is big in education. They know the importance of X11 support.
File bug reports about the relevant applications.
It's Apple's job to look in to those applications and why they break. For all you know, they could have mechanisms planned to implement the missing functionality that are just buggy right now.
Apple is big in education. They know the importance of X11 support.
KnightWRX
macrumors Pentium
X11 is not legacy technology. Geez. It's just that Apple was doing a poor job of shipping it by default with OS X, with everyone needing support for it already relying on XQuartz's efforts in the matter.
It's a good thing Apple removed it and tells people to go get XQuartz.
Rocketman
macrumors 603
Mr. Retrofire
macrumors 603
Speaking of macports, it has pretty much gone dormant for me ever since I downgraded from Xcode 4 back to 3.2.6 (due to the sluggishness and bugginess of 4). Is there a way to spoof macports so that it thinks it's running on Snow Leopard?
Mr. Retrofire
macrumors 603
Here is the correct version:
Just remember, Lion is just a beta at this point. That's the point of Lion: find out what doesn't work & install a stable version of ML in 2013 (forget the summer 2012 release).
sjinsjca
macrumors 68020
Yeah. There was all sorts of keening when Apple axed its own Java. In the end, it was not a bad move at all.
Do you know if it will be an official Apple app on the MacApp store (if that's even feasible with sandboxing, if Apple applies that rule to themselves), or if you will be distributing it with a developer certificate, or will you pretty much install it like you do now, or...?
Am I the only one who was overjoyed by Jeremyhu showing up and completely owning everyone complaining about issues?
You sir rock.
Shagrat
macrumors 6502a
What he said!😀
Such a refreshing change to read a post by someone who actually knows what they are talking about!
Amen! It really scares me sometimes just how ignorant and fearful so many Apple users are.
I love Apple products, but I wonder sometimes about the culture and community.
roadbloc
macrumors G3
On a 64GB SSD, everything counts. Are you really that annoyed that X11 has been put on optional download? It really is a non-issue. True, Rosetta was ditched one OS after being put on optional download, but no-one is forcing you to upgrade. I'm still on Snow Leopard as I don't like all the iOS stuff on my computer (or Mission Control).
Like I said, it's those X11 quirks that make it unusable on the Mac for me, namely having to click on a window - such as the toolbox - and then click on the tool you want, then click back on the main window and then click where you want to use said tool. That doubles the amount of mouse clicks needed to perform an operation. It also takes a million years to launch, because of the need to launch X11 first. And it feels somewhat sluggish (or at least it did back when I was still using it), again largely due to the fact that it needs to have X11 running on top of OS X, eating up valuable memory and CPU cycles.
If they made a fully-native OS X version of GIMP, sans-X11 dependency, it would be fantastic. But in absence of that it's useless for me.
If you need that kind of power then just get Photoshop. Besides, does anyone really do "serious professional work" with GIMP? This is not to say that it isn't powerful, but I doubt very many pros use it.
snowleopard48
macrumors regular
As of right now, there is nothing I despise more than Mountain Lion.
There's hardly any change from Lion, and even the new stuff is not worth the trouble IMO.
There's hardly any change from Lion, and even the new stuff is not worth the trouble IMO.
jeremiah256
macrumors 65816
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Most were probably non-power users who don't understand the development - release cycle, but yeah, there were a few outright haters posting.
Most were probably non-power users who don't understand the development - release cycle, but yeah, there were a few outright haters posting.