Apple Seeds Safari 5.2 for OS X Lion to Developers

[theelysium]

I really can't stand my internet address bar and my search field being combined into one. It's like IE! Freaking hate it. It's like Apple is dumbing down the browsers for the lowest common denominator those stupid people that can comprehend the difference between a direct address to a website and an internet search they childishly call "Googling". No matter what service they are searching with.

This is another one of those Lion changes that are made for dumb people, but Apple forgets not everyone who uses computers are dumb. They should at least build in APIs that allow us to turn off the hand holding modes.

Does anyone know a way to down grade Safari. I've tried my best. I installed 5.1 and it still opened like 5.2, but was missing preferences and such.

I want my internet search field separate... Can this happen again...?

[Stonefly]

Originally Posted by theelysium

Does anyone know a way to down grade Safari. I've tried my best. I installed 5.1 and it still opened like 5.2, but was missing preferences and such.

I want my internet search field separate... Can this happen again...?

Download the uninstaller for Lion HERE

[theelysium]

Originally Posted by Stonefly

Download the uninstaller for Lion HERE

OMG I LOVE YOU! My fav browser is back... and to think I was setting up Opera to move over....!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I will keep that uninstaller forever and be that old crotchety computer user... "I ain't leaving my browse sonny!"

[G-Force]

Originally Posted by elppa

I remember the Safari 4 Beta. They put the tabs in the right place.

And then they pulled it for the release. I was sad when that happened.

To display the address bar, tab bar and bookmark bar on Safari today takes up more vertical room than on the Safari 4 beta. It was a very space efficient layout.

I'm sorry but this was an interface disaster, I'm really happy they ditched that horrible idea.

[MrNomNoms]

Originally Posted by Bokito

Apple dropped RSS support in this release, so for me (and I think a whole lot others) it's completely useless at the moment.

Mind my sarcasm how but how horrible, 3 people and Aunt Betty can no longer follow their favourite fondu aficionado website!

[MarcBook]

Originally Posted by ljocampo

I always depended on seeing if the http:// had https:// before entering credit info. I know just about every online store has it but I have seen some that didn't. I didn't use those because of it not being there. Now how are we to know for sure?

Safari 5.2 actually does show the "https://" when you're viewing a secure site. As well as that, there's always the little padlock icon that appears top-right (next to the fullscreen button) that's also a link to the site's certificate information.

[buddyspencer]

Originally Posted by Drunken Master

Is the merged search/address feature optional?

I really dislike searching in the address bar, main reason I don't use Chrome.

P.S. Who still uses RSS feeds?

I've just started to read RSS feeds - really nice. Why don't you like them? Antiquated?

[Drunken Master]

Originally Posted by buddyspencer

I've just started to read RSS feeds - really nice. Why don't you like them? Antiquated?

A bit, but it's also my job to read the news, and I have a few sites I log onto for that. I already have a Google News feed on my dashboard for headlines but I still have to go to WaPo, NYTimes, LATimes, Chron, etc.

[Swift]

Originally Posted by baryon

Wow that Reader button is horribly huge and blue… why make it so big and obvious? I mean, all it does is extract the text from the web page, I would not really ever think of using it, and I definitely don't want it to be so obvious!

The rest is great though!

Try Reader, honestly, the next time you want to actually read a longish article that's surrounded by blinking ads. I use it a lot.

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Originally Posted by G-Force

I'm sorry but this was an interface disaster, I'm really happy they ditched that horrible idea.

Am currently using Chrome on Windows (I'm at the office jotting this during a break), and it has the tabs on the same way. It's not a disaster, though I don't know if it's any better.

[Discaciate]

I'm glad to see the improvements made in this version.
But I still hope they will include pinned/app tabs... They have become an integral part of my web browsing since I started using Chrome and Firefox.

[G-Force]

Originally Posted by Swift

Am currently using Chrome on Windows (I'm at the office jotting this during a break), and it has the tabs on the same way. It's not a disaster, though I don't know if it's any better.

Actually, Chrome is handling tabs-on-top a lot better than Safari 4 Beta did.

[elppa]

Originally Posted by G-Force

I'm sorry but this was an interface disaster, I'm really happy they ditched that horrible idea.

Originally Posted by G-Force

Actually, Chrome is handling tabs-on-top a lot better than Safari 4 Beta did.

Key word being 'beta'. If Apple had iterated on and refined the idea instead of throwing it away they could have provided it as an option (even if it wasn't the default).

From comments at the time and later I believe the idea had enough supporters to persist with it.

I like it because aside from the horizontal space savings (vital with only 768px to play with 11" MacBook Air) it provided a more logical heirarchy in which the display information.

It eliminates the need to display page name twice - once at the top of the window AND once more in the tab.

Also having the address bar underneath the tab makes more sense in my mind (as it associates the address with its tab – i.e the url is something which belongs to the tab, not the window, as each window can have multiple tabs).

[Inopia-Vi]

Hi all, I have been using safari 5.2 for a week now and something buggle me. Once in a while, a text zone become untexable( I mean here that you cannot type) Did any of you encountered this issus?

[qap]

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Originally Posted by Inopia-Vi

Hi all, I have been using safari 5.2 for a week now and something buggle me. Once in a while, a text zone become untexable( I mean here that you cannot type) Did any of you encountered this issus?

Mhhh no never to me... Another bug is the "google search" shortcut (cmd/alt/f) that doesn't work already reported to Apple.

And sometimes the WebProcess still crashes but the tabs don't reload in background, appear the error webpage (like when is no internet connection) who ask for reload the pages. But is less frequent than the 5.1.x

[Yamcha]

All I have to say is the speed is insane!! Significantly faster then the previous version.. Love it!

[OZlAb]

Is RSS really droped ever from Safari or Mail app?
It's very sad.
I like very much that simple RSS function on my bookmard bar of Safari.

[milo]

Originally Posted by OZlAb

Is RSS really droped ever from Safari or Mail app?

It is a beta. At this point nobody knows if it will be that way for final release or if it's just out temporarily while they work on things.

[miknos]

Being using for a few minutes.

It feels slightly snappier but still a resource (RAM) hog like 5.x version. Actually its better. Seems like it doesn't surpass 600mb RAM. I'm going to upgrade my RAM since I have "only" 2GB.

[ixodes]

There are some nice improvements in this release. I'm looking forward to trying the finished version.

[miknos]

I don't know if it is my adblockers (I use glimmerblocker and AdBlock) but pop-up windows are blocked. Even the hidden under links you click.

[gotenks05]

I don't like that Safari is losing the RSS/ATOM feed reading capability because it helps me know if I got things right in feeds that I code, whether manually or create a PHP script to generate one. It also helped when I was trying out a new plugin for Habari that somebody made for me. However, there is another solution. One could use Calibre as their feed aggregator. No, it's not like any other feed aggregator like Google Reader, Thunderbird, and TT-RSS, since feeds are converted to ebooks. However, the ebooks that Calibre generates could be read on any platform, as long as it is in the right format for the device or application used (Kindle, EPUB, PDF, etc.).

As for my personal use, I use RSS/ATOM to follow my favorite blogs, like anyone else. It really beats having to visit the site every so often, especially if the feed provides full articles.

Also, people do not generally know this, until they look up how to distribute things, but RSS and ATOM are still in wide use today. Podcasts are created via RSS feeds and iTunes, or any other podcast client, lists the items found in those feeds. ATOM is widely used in programs like Stanza (iPhone/iPod Touch), Aldiko, and many others. That is because OPDS is based on ATOM. Yes, in neither of those cases are browsers used to parse the feeds, but browsers, such as Firefox, can tell us if something is wrong in the feed or something else. Besides, the feed validator I found once, which even W3C relied at least one time, if not still relying on it, for feed validation is not easy to find, nor is it helpful, as it is still a guess and check method.

[milo]

Followup on RSS, looks like it's out for good. I guess either Apple doesn't care about it (maybe they think something else will take its place) or they don't want to bother and would rather people buy a RSS reader from the app store.

Any recommendations for a good (and free or cheap) one?

[Tastydirt]

Two of the best are Reeder and NetNewsWire Lite.

[gotenks05]

Originally Posted by milo

Followup on RSS, looks like it's out for good. I guess either Apple doesn't care about it (maybe they think something else will take its place) or they don't want to bother and would rather people buy a RSS reader from the app store.

Any recommendations for a good (and free or cheap) one?

Thunderbird and Calibre are free. However, I mentioned in a previous post on this thread, Calibre does not necessarily display feeds directly, after parsing. Calibre turns feeds into ebooks in the format you want, thus you can read them in say Calibre itself, iBooks, Kindle app, etc. Thunderbird parses feeds and displays them like incoming e-mail, just like Mail on Snow Leopard and Leopard. However, you can also use a web app called TT-RSS, a free, as in beer, and open source self-hosted alternative to Google Reader, so you can install it on your Mac, since I don't think Apple will get rid of Apache anytime soon, because most people are more familiar with that than NGINX.

I just hope that they do not do what they do in iOS. I have a WFi only iPad and if I put in an RSS/ATOM feed address that uses a LAN IP address, instead of a public IP address or domain name listed in a remote DNS, it cannot read the thing, which is where TT-RSS and desktop/mail clients that support RSS/ATOM are better than online services like Google Reader.

[Drunken Master]

Originally Posted by theelysium

I really can't stand my internet address bar and my search field being combined into one.

Plus Juan, too much like Chrome.

I hope it's an option.